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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa] * 1
    #21999942 - 07/26/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

OP, I hate to say it but you REALLY need professional help.  Although it's not impossible that you (a) have an IQ of 200 (b) are an angel (c) talk to God and God talks back (d) are the only enlightened person on the planet and (e) are terribly and acutely aware of a long standing plot against the planet by an elite cabal that deals in unspeakable methods, such that just mentioning it puts you in danger - the odds are infinitesimal and it's much more likely that you're suffering from severe delusions.  Everything you post here screams that.  IIRC when I was a mod I banned you or warned you.  I wish some current mod would step in and handle this but the board seems bereft of such intervention in recent times. :shrug:

Acquaint yourself with the clinical definitions of paranoid schizophrenia - been there, had that, still have the t-shirt.  Then find somebody to help you before you end up destitute and homeless, muttering to yourself about "them", or worse, dead by your own hand.

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Paranoid schizophrenia is a subtype of schizophrenia in which the patient has delusions (false beliefs) that a person or some individuals are plotting against them or members of their family. Paranoid schizophrenia is the most common schizophrenia type.

The majority of people with paranoid schizophrenia, as with most schizophrenia subtypes may also have auditory hallucinations - they hear things that are not real. They may also have delusions of personal grandeur - a false belief that they are much greater and more powerful and influential than they really are.

An individual with paranoid schizophrenia may spend a disproportionate amount of time thinking up ways of protecting themselves from their persecutors.

Typically, a person with paranoid schizophrenia has fewer problems with memory, dulled emotions and concentration compared to those with other subtypes; which allows them to think and function more successfully. Even so, paranoid schizophrenia is a chronic (long-term, lifelong) condition which may eventually lead to complications, including suicidal thoughts and behavior.

With proper treatment and support, patients have a very good chance of leading happy and productive lives.




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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22000200 - 07/26/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:....not being mean OP but I've basically wanted to say what PrimalSoup said since the start of this thread but didn't know how to go about it, maybe you're perfectly fine, but you should at least get checked out and see what some professionals have to say.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22001262 - 07/26/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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JacobStorm said:
Very interesting read. I too think I'm special in certain ways. (as is EVERYONE)  But certainty not in that/those ways. I am above nobody and no one is under me. In ANY way.

Ive never met or seen a personality type like this before. I have no idea how to respond.

In my personal opinion I think you should stay away from psychedelics.. With that attitude how could you be willing to accept or see what is truth? Its like you've built up (or someone else did) this veil of bs in thinking so highly of your self.

The only question that comes to mind is. How dare you?



Really? If the OP had been yours and I'd started reading it eternal love would form between us instantly.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
    #22001350 - 07/26/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think shrooms are good with moderation. I come back from every trip having learned something or gained a perspective.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #22001367 - 07/26/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Trypto-Fan said:
I believe you op.

Let's take down the elite and be enlightened together and shit.

No one else gets it, they're all too dumb.


:laugh:



I'm not sure what to make of this. Want to explain?


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: bluegill]
    #22001372 - 07/26/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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bluegill said:
I think shrooms are good with moderation. I come back from every trip having learned something or gained a perspective.



Noted.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
    #22001393 - 07/26/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Notice how you aren't responding whatsoever to people who genuinely care about your well being and request that you get help in some form.

Also psychedelics are just the spice on the entree of life, not totally necessary but a nice addition.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #22001616 - 07/26/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yukon Cornelius said:
Notice how you aren't responding whatsoever to people who genuinely care about your well being and request that you get help in some form.



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21998308#21998308


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
    #22001628 - 07/26/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My statement is still valid despite the post you made in that link. I cannot refute with any logical reasoning a delusion that severe because it is beyond the capability of rational thought.

I'll say it again PLEASE GET HELP.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #22001671 - 07/26/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

OP while I get the whole feeling alienated because you see so many people you perceive to be 'asleep' you are talking very much like the stereotypical guy who eventually decides he's Jesus.

Be spiritual, but that in itself means knowing you are ultimately insignificant alone, but part of a very significant whole.

You might need some time to think sober, as I fear for your health.

So far all i'm seeing in your posts is a pretentious hippie (rare, but you guys always seem to make yourself known lol).


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: teenagehippie]
    #22001915 - 07/26/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

He just kinda dodged the question completely and started getting frustrated about how no one believed him


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #22002417 - 07/26/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So vagina penetration is unnatural OP? That's exactly what I thought. The forece is strong with this one.

We were all Jes-i before teh illuminati came into power forced us to participate in intercourse. A man & a womans body only fit together perfectly to demonstrate how to arrange spoons to take up the least amount of space possible. Space is for angels not silverware. Yes angels never fight with light sabers on eternal love, so true. WE are the delusional ones not u. U are perfect in every way. Please oh GREAT ENLIGHTENED HYMEN, show us ur ways so that one day We may become enlightened like u.

I totally understand now. We are teh delusionals. Life on exactly as u were & save this world. We have nothing to fear now. Oh GREAT ENLIGHTENED HYMEN, show us thou ways and I will send thee 5g of psilocybe cubensis shrooms to honor.

She's not on drugs people she's only tried weed & salvia. Stop trying to make thee GREAT ENLIGHTENED HYMEN look like an addict with psychosis. Shame on u. If the GEH wasn't an angel she'd banish you to 50 virgins where you'd do naughty, disgusting, unnatural acts of disgrace.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
    #22002445 - 07/26/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
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Euphoric Journey said:
OP, I'm not trying to argue with you or insult you. I mean this in the most respectful way. I think you may be schizophrenic. Please consider talking to a therapist.



You guys aren't applying the logical rigor necessary to determine whether what I'm saying is coherent. Your cognitive dissonance doesn't allow you to process it with an open mind, but if you did you would find that it is. There's a lot of necessary information I haven't included in this thread so far because I haven't yet figured out how to communicate in a way that will be given any consideration why it's actually everyone else that's mentally ill. If you ask me specific questions intended to clarify what you don't understand, you won't find that any of the ideas I express are inconsistent in any way that is relevant to the validity of my message. But the consensus fallacy is so much easier, isn't it?

10 years ago I would have been absolutely shocked at much of what I've written recently. My 17 year old self would likely have believed as you do that I'd gone crazy because from my earliest memories through my adolescence I was mentally imprisoned just like all of you. I was programmed by the world, in the same way that you have been, to not know how to truly love. I'd started to become aware in a way that something wasn't right, but I just didn't want to know. Until my awakening 8 years ago I was afraid of the truth because I didn't understand it at all. It then took me until last year to understand it completely, which is why I didn't post here until then.

I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be possible for others to achieve enlightenment. I have enough faith in the idea that I can communicate my revelation with words that I try, though I've completely failed so far. No one else wants enlightenment because no one else can imagine what it is, just as I couldn't before my awakening. If you get there, we will be equals. I can determine with certainty whether you have and trust me, I would be treating you as angels treat other angels. We never use the sword of the warrior of light on eternal love. People in this world go from birth to death without releasing themselves from the lie. They never figure it out. That could change starting with you.




ok, look. you cant keep putting youself on some pedastal and say how no one else can reach enlightenment without giving a concrete definition of what "enlightenment" is. from what ive gathered, your definition of enlightenment somehow equates the illuminati with the psychedelic experience. that is where i stopped reading, but if you insist that you have a message to explain, than what is this "truth" that you speak of? i am very certain myself and most likely a large majority of folks who have experienced ego death have seen "the ultimate truth" and had the same "awakening" as you, except you just haven't explained it enough to make it credible at all, your leaving everything your saying out of context. i would love to read what you have to say if it makes sense and you can connect the dots.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
    #22002451 - 07/26/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
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XXfuzyxgamingXX said:
the thing is, you didnt even address anything that you just quoted.



Yes I did. All of it, in fact.

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XXfuzyxgamingXX said:
everything you have written is out of context to the point that i cannot discern any meaning from it.



It's possible but you have to be willing to go there in your mind.

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XXfuzyxgamingXX said:
You are not backing what you are saying with any sort of logical reasoning.



Be specific.

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XXfuzyxgamingXX said: ultimately, you have removed any sentiment from your text by presenting it in such a delusional manner.



You don't know what you're talking about.




what did you adress? how did you adress it?

i have to "go there" in my mind to understand things that were left out of context? what? where do i have to go? to the psych ward?

its hard to be specific when you are referencing things that arent specific enough to be comprehended.

i think i know i know what im talking about, i just dont know what the fuck im reading.

this thread should be closed, you have answered your own question, taking drugs is definitely not a good idea


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
    #22002663 - 07/27/15 02:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

BEFORE I BEGIN: Allow me to preface this by saying I understand your point. However, if there's one thing I've noticed about this forum is that members don't like others with god complexes. I don't have a problem with what you said but others do. Psychedelics give people insight that seems so profound it must be original and uniquely bestowed upon the user. This is not so and it's why Jesus was murdered. If he had said "No, I'm not the son of god. I just have something to say." the dude would'nt have been murdered. He wouldnt have a religion either but hey. BTW I'm not saying Jesus used psychedelics but he probably did. There's geological supporting evidence and it explains why he had this ultimate message of love for the human race. If he didn't I'm sure he altered his consciousness some other way (meditation, fasting, darkness, isolation). Now I'll begin.


While you bring up a valid point, the need for psychedelics is always present. Keep in mind human existence wouldn't exist without psychedelics as our ancient ancestors consumed them. This led them to understand their place in nature and perhaps the universe. Certain drugs are not needed like sedatives and synthesized amphetamines. In medical contexts, they serve a purpose but to the recreational consumer they don't do anything but allow the user to disassociate from true feeling. I will admit that sometimes I can be irresponsible with my marijuana use and I try to consider that. I have the utmost respect for the plant because it has evolved with us for 10,000 years so much so it has become an endogenous part of our brain chemistry. It allows the intelligent (notice the intelligent part) user to look at his/her life from a different, more relaxed perspective. I like to use the model of a road. My brain is normally like a straight road. It has cracks, potholes, tagging, and litter on the side. When I consume weed, the car that is myself takes a detour. The new path may be very curvy and sometimes a little difficult to maneuver. When I return to the normal road, I use the experience of driving on the wacky road to make the normal road a little more manageable. It really has changed my life. It's made me more aware of the beauty in existence that isn't humanity. I love animals and plants with a profound passion. Very few ordinary people understand that because to them, humanity is the most significant aspect of life on earth. If everyone smoked pot with me and then went out to look at bugs and leaves and took time to learn about something greater than us, I'd have a lot more friends. My point is, humanity won't benefit from psychedelics entirely because a small minority of humans consume psychedelics to those who don't. But, if we all took them, the fabric of normal society would collapse. To paraphrase Joe Rogan "you cant be a psychedelic hippy and make money and have a developed city skyline". We'd realize that the way we lived was futile and destructive but I don't know if we'd be better off. We'd have to evolve into a different species free of physical form and ego in order for psychedelics to truly reform humanity.

Psychedelics may not have much use if you're trying to change the nature of humanity because not all humans are willing to consume them. Then there are all the social structures and factors in place urging us to act destructively, violently, and selfishly. To the individual, they can provide profound understanding that one can use to better their own lives. Of course psychedelics will never aid humanity in ridding itself of evil because the experience is individual. Furthermore, it is in our nature to be somewhat evil. We cannot rid the human race of evil because then goodness has no significance. Psychedelics are not something that can be collectively and entirely experienced. We as individuals must use them to better ourselves. That's the best we can hope for. Maybe we'll evolve to exist in a world of free thought and love but not anytime soon.

Psychedelics and other consciousness altering substances may decrease our brain's endogenous chemicals but that's only an issue if you do them so frequently and so abundantly that they replace your own chemicals. Also, consider this: cliff diving releases dopamine and adrenaline. It can be so fun and so stimulating that one who cliff dives may have to seek new and crazier things to satisfy his need. Should he not have fun cliff diving because he'll need something more exciting later? Of course not. The man is free to cliff dive and para-sail and jump out of a plane regardless of what it does to his brain chemistry. Should humans not have sex because it can be too overstimulating? No. Its in our nature to put our bodies through stress and experience. Its what makes consciousness and life so cool: even in our fatty fleshy bodies we can experience everything.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Pseudo-Tim]
    #22003457 - 07/27/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Pseudo-Tim said:
BEFORE I BEGIN: Allow me to preface this by saying I understand your point. However, if there's one thing I've noticed about this forum is that members don't like others with god complexes. I don't have a problem with what you said but others do. Psychedelics give people insight that seems so profound it must be original and uniquely bestowed upon the user. This is not so and it's why Jesus was murdered. If he had said "No, I'm not the son of god. I just have something to say." the dude would'nt have been murdered. He wouldnt have a religion either but hey. BTW I'm not saying Jesus used psychedelics but he probably did. There's geological supporting evidence and it explains why he had this ultimate message of love for the human race. If he didn't I'm sure he altered his consciousness some other way (meditation, fasting, darkness, isolation). Now I'll begin.


While you bring up a valid point, the need for psychedelics is always present. Keep in mind human existence wouldn't exist without psychedelics as our ancient ancestors consumed them. This led them to understand their place in nature and perhaps the universe. Certain drugs are not needed like sedatives and synthesized amphetamines. In medical contexts, they serve a purpose but to the recreational consumer they don't do anything but allow the user to disassociate from true feeling. I will admit that sometimes I can be irresponsible with my marijuana use and I try to consider that. I have the utmost respect for the plant because it has evolved with us for 10,000 years so much so it has become an endogenous part of our brain chemistry. It allows the intelligent (notice the intelligent part) user to look at his/her life from a different, more relaxed perspective. I like to use the model of a road. My brain is normally like a straight road. It has cracks, potholes, tagging, and litter on the side. When I consume weed, the car that is myself takes a detour. The new path may be very curvy and sometimes a little difficult to maneuver. When I return to the normal road, I use the experience of driving on the wacky road to make the normal road a little more manageable. It really has changed my life. It's made me more aware of the beauty in existence that isn't humanity. I love animals and plants with a profound passion. Very few ordinary people understand that because to them, humanity is the most significant aspect of life on earth. If everyone smoked pot with me and then went out to look at bugs and leaves and took time to learn about something greater than us, I'd have a lot more friends. My point is, humanity won't benefit from psychedelics entirely because a small minority of humans consume psychedelics to those who don't. But, if we all took them, the fabric of normal society would collapse. To paraphrase Joe Rogan "you cant be a psychedelic hippy and make money and have a developed city skyline". We'd realize that the way we lived was futile and destructive but I don't know if we'd be better off. We'd have to evolve into a different species free of physical form and ego in order for psychedelics to truly reform humanity.

Psychedelics may not have much use if you're trying to change the nature of humanity because not all humans are willing to consume them. Then there are all the social structures and factors in place urging us to act destructively, violently, and selfishly. To the individual, they can provide profound understanding that one can use to better their own lives. Of course psychedelics will never aid humanity in ridding itself of evil because the experience is individual. Furthermore, it is in our nature to be somewhat evil. We cannot rid the human race of evil because then goodness has no significance. Psychedelics are not something that can be collectively and entirely experienced. We as individuals must use them to better ourselves. That's the best we can hope for. Maybe we'll evolve to exist in a world of free thought and love but not anytime soon.

Psychedelics and other consciousness altering substances may decrease our brain's endogenous chemicals but that's only an issue if you do them so frequently and so abundantly that they replace your own chemicals. Also, consider this: cliff diving releases dopamine and adrenaline. It can be so fun and so stimulating that one who cliff dives may have to seek new and crazier things to satisfy his need. Should he not have fun cliff diving because he'll need something more exciting later? Of course not. The man is free to cliff dive and para-sail and jump out of a plane regardless of what it does to his brain chemistry. Should humans not have sex because it can be too overstimulating? No. Its in our nature to put our bodies through stress and experience. Its what makes consciousness and life so cool: even in our fatty fleshy bodies we can experience everything.



If only OP had wrote it more along these lines. This disagrees with OP in some way, but agrees with her in other ways. If you want people to listen to you OP, you have to write it in a more rational, intellectual way. You say we're being too close minded to listen to you but you need to open up and hear what we're saying. We're trying to understand what you're saying as much as you don't think we are, but we can't do this the way you're trying to communicate your thoughts and ideas. You've got to understand our point of view too and not just your own. That's how people learn, by being taught, not by being criticized becuase we can't undeunderstand what you're saying. Yes, we're bring critical too of your ideas but you need to see it the way we do and we need to try to see it the way you do.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #22004104 - 07/27/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So much bullshit OP...

One who is truly enlightened, will judge no one, and we all here have judgment at some degree, and every single human being does, as it is part of the shadow self that governs the physical body.

We all know here all the positives that psychedelics bring and that, if not insanely abused, they provide no damage to the body/mind/spirit systems, quite on the contrary. I healed a lot thanks to my trips and will heal more.

Also, psys can you a very long (or very very long, depending on time dilatation) break from this prison planet as you mention... so whats wrong?


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