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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: wolf fish]
    #21990259 - 07/24/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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For someone as familiar with McKenna's material as you seem to be, you left out a very important idea: "no one is in control". People who think that there is an "elite" group are wrong, there is no such thing. People who think humanity needs to "wake up" are also wrong. You seem to be familiar with the ideas of the existence of occult knowledge/philosophies, but you failed to research it enough to realize that much of the enlighten ones have shared their secrets, and their secrets are rather limp dick, if you ask me.

As to your question in the subject line to the OP. It is not a good idea for someone like you to take natural psychedelics if your going to take seriously your own personal delusions of grandeur, Messianic visions of the Apocalypse, and a general paranoia that humanity is not awake and controlled by evil forces.

The destruction of our planet appears to be a mistake or a misunderstanding, not a covert operation laid down by a group of elite occultist human beings beginning in Eygpt 7000 years ago and persistent to the present time.

"This is what it looks like when a species plans to depart for the stars..."




Exactly. No one is in control. This is the most astonishing thing if you really see it. Suddenly a wave of bliss floods you and you wonder, "Why should this make me so happy? I've just found out not only that there is nothing I can do, but that there was NEVER anything I either could do or ever
did do. It is ALL JUST HAPPENING!

I know you have heard this before. I have too. But there was a day about 30 years ago now when I actually SAW it. From that day to this I have never forgotten that seeing. And from that time I have been able to see it all the time everywhere. Which is not to say that that wave of bliss didn't subside. Or that I have never had any pain, confusion, anger, hatred, blame come up in me--it just means that I couldn't really take any of that stuff seriously anymore. Snuff.

So when I read things like the OP with its apocalytic finale--well, have you ever seen what water drops do when they fall on a duck's back?


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21990299 - 07/24/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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There is a fine line between enlightenment and psychosis.




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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21990472 - 07/24/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

BTW just was reading.

OP claims to have an IQ of 200.

Either troll or most pathetically delusional person ive seen on the shroomery.

She literally said she was far above all the idiots here.

Lol op if you are so intelligent how is it you dont understand any of the science in your original post?


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
    #21990826 - 07/24/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The guardians of the secret have now achieved global domination and they're in the process of destroying the world completely because they don't believe most people are capable of understanding the truth. The more who wake up and see it, the more who survive. The all-seeing eye watches for beautiful feelings.



The "guardians of the secret" haven't achieved global domination, which is why most people aren't capable of understanding the truth.

But that is the way things have always been in the world. Christ said, "I am not of this world".

St. Paul wrote: If it was God's wisdom that worldly wisdom should not know God, it was because God wanted to save those who have faith through the foolishness of the message that we preach. – 1st Corinthians, 1,18


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: endogenous]
    #21990835 - 07/24/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Also, if they were truly the "guardians of the secret" they wouldn't be trying to destroy the world.

And salvia? :thumbdown:


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
    #21990894 - 07/24/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Very interesting read. I too think I'm special in certain ways. (as is EVERYONE)  But certainty not in that/those ways. I am above nobody and no one is under me. In ANY way.

Ive never met or seen a personality type like this before. I have no idea how to respond.

In my personal opinion I think you should stay away from psychedelics.. With that attitude how could you be willing to accept or see what is truth? Its like you've built up (or someone else did) this veil of bs in thinking so highly of your self.

The only question that comes to mind is. How dare you?


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: endogenous]
    #21990905 - 07/24/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah that's schizophrenia for sure. Stop taking drugs OP and talk to a doctor before you hurt yourself or someone else.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa] * 1
    #21991007 - 07/24/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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My other question is about what can be gained in this world from the use of psychedelics beyond the temporary positive feelings caused by neurochemical alterations consisting primarily of increased dopamine and/or serotonin. I understand that we desire (the difference between physical and psychological not being clearly defined here) neural stimulation with drugs to compensate for the pain of being enslaved by the dominator culture and I now consider that this is likely to be the only relevant factor. I used to believe psychedelics liberated the mind, but now I see that one must desire mental liberation in order for them to have this apparent effect. I believe what I'm actually observing is that the positive feelings necessary to understand are induced by psychedelics in individuals who independently of the fact that they take drugs desire understanding.




My difficulties with this person isn't so much what they say (anybody can have a screw or two loose sometimes) but the complete lack of intellectual rigor displayed in the face of claims to superior comprehension.

So much wrong in this warped version of how psychedelics and reality actually works it's kind of sad. :shrug:


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Poppy pod]
    #21991032 - 07/24/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
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thoraxx said:
Unless you can walk on water, you should think about whether youre really so special



I may be able to go somewhere there is sufficiently low gravity to perform the miracle you request before I die.



Err. Wrong. You still wouldn't be able to walk on water on a low gravity planet even if u were able to travel to a planet where the water was not ice since you'd still be more dense. U should learn more about physics.

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Also you do not have a proper understanding of how these drugs work.

For instance tryptamines are competative serotonin agonists they do not release endogenous serotonin.

Salvia is a kappa opioid antagonist. Etc



Actually salvia is a very potent kappa opioid receptor agonist, the opposite of an antagonist (correction: an inverse agonist is the opposite of an agonist, antagonists are neutral). I'd advise against smoking smoking salvia more than like once or twice in a life time. Its some really crazy feeling shit in my opinion.

Also, op, serotonin agonists generally decrease dopamine release.

As to the title question. Yes-No. Idk lol. Depends on the person really. Drugs r bad m'kay. 5-HT psychedelics are bien.



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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: PurpleHaze147]
    #21993929 - 07/25/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Err. Wrong. You still wouldn't be able to walk on water on a low gravity planet even if u were able to travel to a planet where the water was not ice since you'd still be more dense. U should learn more about physics.



When did I say anything about a fucking planet? Obviously that's too much gravity. I'm talking about close to 0G with the water being propelled fast enough that I can walk on that shit like a motherfucking tightrope.

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Also you do not have a proper understanding of how these drugs work.

For instance tryptamines are competative serotonin agonists they do not release endogenous serotonin.

Salvia is a kappa opioid antagonist. Etc



Actually salvia is a very potent kappa opioid receptor agonist



"In addition, salvinorin A has recently been found to act as an even more potent D2 receptor partial agonist, with an affinity of 5–10 nM, an intrinsic activity of 40–60%, and an EC50 of 48 nM, which is almost five times higher than its EC50 of 235 nM for the κ-opioid receptor." (wikipedia)

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Also, op, serotonin agonists generally decrease dopamine release.

As to the title question. Yes-No. Idk lol. Depends on the person really. Drugs r bad m'kay. 5-HT psychedelics are bien.



I'll requalify this by repeating that my conclusion is based on the best of my current understanding. I'm an angel, not a scientist. I don't know everything, I know the divine truth. However I don't speculate without thinking about the idea in question at all as is implied by the straw man arguments that deflect most people's attention completely away from what I've actually said.

Do some research? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin#Pharmacology A drug that mimics the effect of a neurotransmitter causes the brain to decrease endogenous production to compensate. For example weed mimics endogenous cannabinoids and when you stop smoking it you end up with less than before you started. The article also says psilocybin (which I think can probably be generalized to psychedelic tryptamines) increases dopamine levels in the basal ganglia. I'm fairly certain getting high on anything involves a significant increase in dopamine.

The title is a question for a reason. I've expressed what I believe is the most probable conclusion, but our understanding of this subject is incomplete and therefore up for debate. It's too complex to have been addressed in my divine revelation so whether my analysis is correct is irrelevant to the truth of the angelic message. As far as I know no one outside the elite has given enough of a fuck about anything I've said to be able to distinguish between revelation and ideas that may include facts but aren't necessary for enlightenment. I understand why it's impossible for what I describe as divine truth to be wrong but anything else I say might be. Like I've always said, if I think the counterargument makes more sense than my argument I admit it. That hasn't happened on the shroomery because debating here is like driving a tractor through a field of straw men and horseshit.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
    #21994650 - 07/25/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Err. Wrong. You still wouldn't be able to walk on water on a low gravity planet even if u were able to travel to a planet where the water was not ice since you'd still be more dense. U should learn more about physics.



When did I say anything about a fucking planet? Obviously that's too much gravity. I'm talking about close to 0G with the water being propelled fast enough that I can walk on that shit like a motherfucking tightrope.

Quote:

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Quote:

Poppy pod said:
Also you do not have a proper understanding of how these drugs work.

For instance tryptamines are competative serotonin agonists they do not release endogenous serotonin.

Salvia is a kappa opioid antagonist. Etc



Actually salvia is a very potent kappa opioid receptor agonist



"In addition, salvinorin A has recently been found to act as an even more potent D2 receptor partial agonist, with an affinity of 5–10 nM, an intrinsic activity of 40–60%, and an EC50 of 48 nM, which is almost five times higher than its EC50 of 235 nM for the κ-opioid receptor." (wikipedia)

Quote:

PurpleHaze147 said:
Also, op, serotonin agonists generally decrease dopamine release.

As to the title question. Yes-No. Idk lol. Depends on the person really. Drugs r bad m'kay. 5-HT psychedelics are bien.



I'll requalify this by repeating that my conclusion is based on the best of my current understanding. I'm an angel, not a scientist. I don't know everything, I know the divine truth. However I don't speculate without thinking about the idea in question at all as is implied by the straw man arguments that deflect most people's attention completely away from what I've actually said.

Do some research? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin#Pharmacology A drug that mimics the effect of a neurotransmitter causes the brain to decrease endogenous production to compensate. For example weed mimics endogenous cannabinoids and when you stop smoking it you end up with less than before you started. The article also says psilocybin (which I think can probably be generalized to psychedelic tryptamines) increases dopamine levels in the basal ganglia. I'm fairly certain getting high on anything involves a significant increase in dopamine.

The title is a question for a reason. I've expressed what I believe is the most probable conclusion, but our understanding of this subject is incomplete and therefore up for debate. It's too complex to have been addressed in my divine revelation so whether my analysis is correct is irrelevant to the truth of the angelic message. As far as I know no one outside the elite has given enough of a fuck about anything I've said to be able to distinguish between revelation and ideas that may include facts but aren't necessary for enlightenment. I understand why it's impossible for what I describe as divine truth to be wrong but anything else I say might be. Like I've always said, if I think the counterargument makes more sense than my argument I admit it. That hasn't happened on the shroomery because debating here is like driving a tractor through a field of straw men and horseshit.




so essentialy what you are saying is that if a drug has any sort of pharmacological action, it is not safe to take. you are implying that the only time a drug is desirable is when is has no sort of effect on your brain chemistry. all drugs have an effect on your brain chemistry. this is how these drugs work.

take 5-htp supplements if you dont like the fact that taking a mild altering drug will alter your mind.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21994704 - 07/25/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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My other question is about what can be gained in this world from the use of psychedelics beyond the temporary positive feelings caused by neurochemical alterations consisting primarily of increased dopamine and/or serotonin. I understand that we desire (the difference between physical and psychological not being clearly defined here) neural stimulation with drugs to compensate for the pain of being enslaved by the dominator culture and I now consider that this is likely to be the only relevant factor. I used to believe psychedelics liberated the mind, but now I see that one must desire mental liberation in order for them to have this apparent effect. I believe what I'm actually observing is that the positive feelings necessary to understand are induced by psychedelics in individuals who independently of the fact that they take drugs desire understanding.




My difficulties with this person isn't so much what they say (anybody can have a screw or two loose sometimes) but the complete lack of intellectual rigor displayed in the face of claims to superior comprehension.

So much wrong in this warped version of how psychedelics and reality actually works it's kind of sad. :shrug:




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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: drr]
    #21994734 - 07/25/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Do the elitist have the holy grail or something? :ohsodevious:


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
    #21994785 - 07/25/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How can one claim to know "the Truth" it's all interpretation and guesswork based on an individuals current understanding and theories about the nature of the universe. "The Truth" isn't some definable thing like the elements or gravity (ok gravity is not well defined but you get the idea". Any claim to understanding "the truth" strikes me as either delusional or egomaniacal and seems to belong more in the realm of religion than a claim of understanding.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
    #21995339 - 07/25/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do the elitist have the holy grail or something? :ohsodevious:




I think it's probably the ark of the covenant, deep in some Nazi cellar unopened since WWII.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21995931 - 07/25/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Drugs is just a box you've put very different things in and called them drugs.
Your brain is made out of drugs that's why "drugs" work.

Of course really it could be anything but what ifffffffff.............
Psychedelics are the tools you left yourself to get out of the maze. You made the maze to end your boredom but it's still a maze. You had to make the shortcuts seem undesirable so you don't get out of the maze too easily and go back to being bored.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Poppy pod]
    #21995964 - 07/25/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

IME it also depends on the drug.
DMT and psilocybin mushrooms are much more reliably meaningful than cannabis mescaline HMMM I thought Mescaline was one of the greatest teachers and guidance thru this land of hatred and wicked defiance?



Basically simple substituted tryptamines are the way to go if spirituality is your quest.
However they are no gaurantee.




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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
    #21995967 - 07/25/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, today the shroomery is just chock-full of delusional idiots posting word blocks of incomprehensibility.

It's mildly entertaining, OP should have an astral plane meeting with the guy spamming all caps threads so they can orchestrate the fate of the cosmos.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #21996019 - 07/25/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ha yeah I Love you all.. Too? 2 of a kind... kind is great to find as if its late.... I wait.


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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: XXfuzyxgamingXX]
    #21996104 - 07/25/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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so essentialy what you are saying is that if a drug has any sort of pharmacological action, it is not safe to take. you are implying that the only time a drug is desirable is when is has no sort of effect on your brain chemistry. all drugs have an effect on your brain chemistry. this is how these drugs work.

take 5-htp supplements if you dont like the fact that taking a mild altering drug will alter your mind.



I smoke weed. Before I'd ever done drugs my life was already definitively fucked for a specific reason that I don't feel it's strategic to discuss here right now. If this forum starts advancing in reading comprehension skills I may at some point.

If the divine truth becomes known I just can't see a use for drugs at all, let alone one that would be worth the brain damage they more than likely cause. Yes, I am saying this. I would be very interested in a logical refutation.

Natural psychedelics would be useful in this world if Terence were right about the boundary dissolution effect he attributed to them. For him they dissolved boundaries so he assumed that they do for everyone, as I did for a long time. Like I said, I've given the benefit of the doubt to this world so many times, as Terence did. I now understand that it's ending and why.

God is satisfied with what I do because she's never known anyone else. She considers Earth to be a dying creation of hers that she found in recent years and she wonders if she and I can awaken anyone before the Illuminati induce transcendence, most likely killing billions in order to eliminate the threat to this star system's future paradise. I'm the result of her curiosity about this planet she recently knew nothing about (she's not omnipotent or omniscient). She demands even less of me because she knows the Illuminati are working for the angelic dream. We haven't been able to accept their strategy but the alarm siren of the apocalypse has started broadcasting and they're well aware of it so that's good enough for her.


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