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Alyssa
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Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? 1
#21988396 - 07/24/15 02:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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For over 8 years I advocated to the maximum extent, without qualification, the use of natural psychedelics based on the link I perceived between my trips on cannabis and salvia and the enlightenment I received after starting to smoke them. I no longer believe this is a causal relationship. I strongly believed that psychedelic use would still be beneficial if humanity were free, but I've reconsidered the question and I'm not convinced anymore that the psychedelic experience is necessarily meaningful outside the context of the world (as it exists with humanity in captivity).
With the assistance of drugs I dissolved (as Terence referred to) the boundaries that had deceived me for as long as I could remember, but this is only relevant because we're imprisoned by boundaries in this world as he also pointed out. Furthermore, drugs haven't enabled anyone else as far as I know to dissolve them to the extent necessary to escape from the mental prison that everyone without the inherited secret knowledge of the elite is born into. Even Terence never completely overcame the fear of one's entire reality being exposed as a lie and therefore didn't understand to an extent that truly separated him from the world the logical implications of his own message. His call to the people of Earth in the twilight of the apocalypse to make heroic hyperdimensional voyages may have described the only way to defeat the demon that begins to infest one's mind the moment one is born into this hell that destroys life everywhere on the planet, but I'm no longer convinced that this is even an effective strategy let alone the only one. I can't categorically advocate the idea after having questioned whether the psychedelic experience inherently reverses the programming that enslaves us to evil. To the best of my current understanding the surges of neurotransmitters involved in tripping or getting high, regardless of whether the drug in question is natural and regardless of whether it is in the category of psychedelics, decrease endogenous production of any neurotransmitters of which a surplus is created by taking the drug. At what point the deficiency becomes permanent or how long it takes to recover is anyone's guess.
It's possible there's something we don't know about the brain that renders my analysis invalid, but I trust the scientific method to a much greater extent than Terence. So the first question I'm asking is, if humanity on Earth is liberated from evil what would they gain from any use of psychoactive substances in the eternal paradise? It seems to me that if the life force is actually controlled by neurotransmitters as it appears to be, psychoactive substances in general are hazardous due to the indefinite persistence of alterations to the natural neurochemical balance which can't be treated quickly if at all, some or possibly all of which according to current scientific understanding reduce the brain's overall ability to feel and think naturally.
My other question is about what can be gained in this world from the use of psychedelics beyond the temporary positive feelings caused by neurochemical alterations consisting primarily of increased dopamine and/or serotonin. I understand that we desire (the difference between physical and psychological not being clearly defined here) neural stimulation with drugs to compensate for the pain of being enslaved by the dominator culture and I now consider that this is likely to be the only relevant factor. I used to believe psychedelics liberated the mind, but now I see that one must desire mental liberation in order for them to have this apparent effect. I believe what I'm actually observing is that the positive feelings necessary to understand are induced by psychedelics in individuals who independently of the fact that they take drugs desire understanding.
No one but me has questioned this reality to a sufficient extent to mentally break out of the world and unite with Earth's awakening yet as far as I'm aware. I haven't observed that anyone outside the elite that guard the secret as well as they feel is necessary, not even the most enlightened all the way up to Terence, has desired the truth intensely enough to traverse in its entirety the mental barrier that traps the individual in the false consensus reality.
I'm fairly familiar with the extent to which the more enlightened (in a relative sense) members of the general psychedelic community have progressed toward mental liberation and it isn't far enough. This isn't meant as a criticism but rather an unbiased statement of my observations; I used to have a lot more faith in the psychedelic voyagers of Earth but I've become conscious of what this world really is. I completely understand what the change that has always been absolutely necessary for us as a species consists of and I believe it's possible to avoid near total annihilation in these apocalyptic times signaled by the origin of the lunisolar cycle in 2052. But I'm watching what's happening on this planet closely enough to be certain from observing no examples of anyone else communicating the awareness necessary for liberation, either having arrived at the divine truth by understanding my message or independently, that the awakening isn't yet being approached anywhere near fast enough for more than a few to survive the end of the world. I don't know if psychedelics can reveal the secret to anyone but me and its guardians. Destiny is destiny's decision but how many arrive isn't.
-------------------- I'm Alyssa. I'm consecrated to the Immaculate Heart. I don't want her to have to look at adultery to save my privileged living cells, so please keep it PG-13.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa] 2
#21988442 - 07/24/15 03:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know if psychedelics can reveal the secret to anyone but me and its guardians.
Unless you can walk on water, you should think about whether youre really so special
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: thoraxx]
#21988447 - 07/24/15 03:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes it is
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa] 2
#21988466 - 07/24/15 03:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow, you are really full of yourself...
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Alyssa
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: thoraxx]
#21988474 - 07/24/15 03:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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thoraxx said: Unless you can walk on water, you should think about whether youre really so special
I may be able to go somewhere there is sufficiently low gravity to perform the miracle you request before I die.
-------------------- I'm Alyssa. I'm consecrated to the Immaculate Heart. I don't want her to have to look at adultery to save my privileged living cells, so please keep it PG-13.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21988478 - 07/24/15 03:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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consuming drugs is cool, that nagging self-doubt not cool
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21988483 - 07/24/15 04:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alyssa said: Furthermore, drugs haven't enabled anyone else as far as I know to dissolve them to the extent necessary to escape from the mental prison that everyone without the inherited secret knowledge of the elite is born into.
I'll refer you to the following post of mine as well as an interview with someone who feels that one needs to leave psychedelics behind:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21281122#21281122
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21988481
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Alyssa
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Trickyricky217]
#21988511 - 07/24/15 04:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Trickyricky217 said: Wow, you are really full of yourself...
I'm not though, I wish I weren't the only one who understands the essential truth of life and love and isn't bound by the conspiracy to destroy the world in order for paradise to be possible. This world is the source of the most profound sadness for me. I personally need another siren as well. I had much more hope of finding one in the past than I do now. I've given the benefit of the doubt to various aspects of the world many times but I know too much now. My observations don't let me feel positive.
I don't understand why no one outside the ruling elite has been able to release the imagination to the point where the world is revealed for what it is. I protest the conspiracy, I believe the enlightened ones should teach the knowledge that as far as I can tell has been forbidden since the beginning of humanity on Earth (I dispute Terence's mushroom theory). The guardians of the secret have now achieved global domination and they're in the process of destroying the world completely because they don't believe most people are capable of understanding the truth. The more who wake up and see it, the more who survive. The all-seeing eye watches for beautiful feelings.
-------------------- I'm Alyssa. I'm consecrated to the Immaculate Heart. I don't want her to have to look at adultery to save my privileged living cells, so please keep it PG-13.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21988572 - 07/24/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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For someone as familiar with McKenna's material as you seem to be, you left out a very important idea: "no one is in control". People who think that there is an "elite" group are wrong, there is no such thing. People who think humanity needs to "wake up" are also wrong. You seem to be familiar with the ideas of the existence of occult knowledge/philosophies, but you failed to research it enough to realize that much of the enlighten ones have shared their secrets, and their secrets are rather limp dick, if you ask me.
As to your question in the subject line to the OP. It is not a good idea for someone like you to take natural psychedelics if your going to take seriously your own personal delusions of grandeur, Messianic visions of the Apocalypse, and a general paranoia that humanity is not awake and controlled by evil forces.
The destruction of our planet appears to be a mistake or a misunderstanding, not a covert operation laid down by a group of elite occultist human beings beginning in Eygpt 7000 years ago and persistent to the present time.
"This is what it looks like when a species plans to depart for the stars..."
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: wolf fish]
#21988574 - 07/24/15 05:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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wolf fish said: People who think that there is an "elite" group are wrong, there is no such thing.
Says who?
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: s240779]
#21988605 - 07/24/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Da2ra said:
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wolf fish said: People who think that there is an "elite" group are wrong, there is no such thing.
Says who?
McKenna for one, since OP referenced him so many times
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa] 1
#21988621 - 07/24/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alyssa said:
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thoraxx said: Unless you can walk on water, you should think about whether youre really so special
I may be able to go somewhere there is sufficiently low gravity to perform the miracle you request before I die.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
#21988831 - 07/24/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is a fine line between enlightenment and psychosis.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21988930 - 07/24/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No one can awnser this for another person. I know people who think tripping is just for partying and getting fd up.
IME it also depends on the drug. DMT and psilocybin mushrooms are much more reliably meaningful than LSD salvia cannabis mescaline ketamine or RC phenethylamins.
Basically simple substituted tryptamines are the way to go if spirituality is your quest. However they are no gaurantee.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21988968 - 07/24/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alyssa said:
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Trickyricky217 said: Wow, you are really full of yourself...
I'm not though, I wish I weren't the only one who understands the essential truth of life and love and isn't bound by the conspiracy to destroy the world in order for paradise to be possible. This world is the source of the most profound sadness for me. I personally need another siren as well. I had much more hope of finding one in the past than I do now. I've given the benefit of the doubt to various aspects of the world many times but I know too much now. My observations don't let me feel positive.
I don't understand why no one outside the ruling elite has been able to release the imagination to the point where the world is revealed for what it is. I protest the conspiracy, I believe the enlightened ones should teach the knowledge that as far as I can tell has been forbidden since the beginning of humanity on Earth (I dispute Terence's mushroom theory). The guardians of the secret have now achieved global domination and they're in the process of destroying the world completely because they don't believe most people are capable of understanding the truth. The more who wake up and see it, the more who survive. The all-seeing eye watches for beautiful feelings.
FYI you are almost certainly not as special as you think.
The main lesson psychedelics teach is how insignificant individuals are. They increase empathy and make you realize you are part of a whole. If you havnt learned this then i would wonder why if i were you.
It seems your ego is large and could benefit from true destruction. However your delusions of granduer make me worry that you may be schizophrenic. If that is so you probably should not do psychedelics as it may make your illness much much worse.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Poppy pod]
#21988998 - 07/24/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also you do not have a proper understanding of how these drugs work.
For instance tryptamines are competative serotonin agonists they do not release endogenous serotonin.
Salvia is a kappa opioid antagonist. Etc
There is no evidence these drugs do long term damage on the brain.
Cannabis use def effects cognition though.
And there is no need for anyone to trip more than once a month or less which should cause 0 damage.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21989163 - 07/24/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alyssa said:
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Trickyricky217 said: Wow, you are really full of yourself...
I'm not though, I wish I weren't the only one who understands the essential truth of life and love
oh, you're the only one? so its not possible for literally anyone else to take enough of a psychedelic substance, go into ego death, and come to an understanding of the essential truth of life and love? i would love to hear your version, you havent really touched on it at all.
Do you mean that we are all literally one being existing as everything simultaneously? because i could have told you that in 30 seconds. lay off the drugs
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: XXfuzyxgamingXX]
#21989852 - 07/24/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Damn, a lot of shit to respond to. It will take me time to address it all.
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa] 1
#21990116 - 07/24/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Is taking drugs, even natural psychedelics, actually a good idea? [Re: Alyssa]
#21990193 - 07/24/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm amazed you have so much tolerance for living on a 'hell-realm prison planet.' If it were me i'd be pretty freaked. Lol.
Like I don't really believe that, but I know the feeling, and yeah it's not the feeling that makes you wanna do drugs.
But to answer your original question, yeah, doing drugs is fine i mean of course you could do too many and be all traumatized n shit.
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