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Re: so.. if a "smart" person doesnt understand a "dum" person.. [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #21993758 - 07/25/15 05:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was pretty young when I first saw The People Under The Stairs. actually, really young. I never considered myself a Wes Craven fan, but I haven't watched anything of his in forever. Also my parents let me watch totally inappropriate movies all the time and then wondered why I called a group of boys in my 5th grade class "jizzbags" after seeing Death To Smoochy, but 99% of it went way over my head and was totally lost on me, so I guess I should give this one another chance eh.

And yah, I don't get into pseudo-science much, but tarot is a guilty pleasure. I love the art and the iconography. And confirmation bias is fun sometimes.


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Re: so.. if a "smart" person doesnt understand a "dum" person.. [Re: zZZz]
    #21993763 - 07/25/15 05:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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see i could understand what u did there, no judgement. as u were. :cool:




You'll never know if you properly understood someone. Thinking you do is just dumb.


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Re: so.. if a "smart" person doesnt understand a "dum" person.. [Re: pirate-blues]
    #21993766 - 07/25/15 05:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wes Craven movies.. I instantly think of Freddy Krueger. Funny guy.




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Re: so.. if a "smart" person doesnt understand a "dum" person.. [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21993770 - 07/25/15 05:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This is an awesome subject because I have observed for a long time that some "booksmart" people don't know much about real life or much outside an academic area. On the other hand a good amount of highschool dropouts that know a lot about life and the human experience. It's not always that way but it really changed the way I thought of "smart" and "dumb".


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Re: so.. if a "smart" person doesnt understand a "dum" person.. [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #21993861 - 07/25/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you are good at school and academic stuff it means you are malleable. Not necessarily smart. It is a system that simply doesn't fit everyone.


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Re: so.. if a "smart" person doesnt understand a "dum" person.. [Re: 1234go]
    #21993956 - 07/25/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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1234go said:
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zZZz said:
im thinking about creating my own language, and if peeps dont understand it i'll just callem stupid until they are forced to learn it





A mildly thought provoking counter point, and one of your more interesting posts.

Language is man made after all, and all of us just run with the language of the herd. (Sheeple).



Language is not an invention.  Language is an innate, wired in feature of Homo Sapiens.  Writing is an invention.


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Re: so.. if a "smart" person doesnt understand a "dum" person.. [Re: lood_dood]
    #21993962 - 07/25/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lood_dood said:
I don't know how to read or write. What should I do?? :loudnoises:



Poast more


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Re: so.. if a "smart" person doesnt understand a "dum" person.. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21993967 - 07/25/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm confused, are you insinuating a child grown up in isolation without any instruction would pick up on a formal language? French, english?

Maybe i'm taking this out of context, what exactly are we talking about here?


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Re: so.. if a "smart" person doesnt understand a "dum" person.. [Re: 1234go]
    #21994243 - 07/25/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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1234go said:
I'm confused, are you insinuating a child grown up in isolation without any instruction would pick up on a formal language? French, english?

Maybe i'm taking this out of context, what exactly are we talking about here?



Now you are moving the goal posts.  Language, as well as socialization, is an innate feature of humans.  Positing a feral child with no human contact is ridiculous.


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Re: so.. if a "smart" person doesnt understand a "dum" person.. [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #21994289 - 07/25/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah 1234go that's an entirely different scenario. I think what Koods and Zappa are trying to say is that the brain already has a built in processing/modulation system that allows you to automatically/unconsciously attribute meaning/grammar/syntax to the seemingly random noises that are coming out of people's mouths. For instance if I say, "I walked my dog this morning," you automatically picture someone walking a dog. You don't really have to think super hard about it or will it to happen. You don't hear what I say as complete gibberish or just pure sounds waves.

The thing about language processing is that you don't really get a say in the matter. The brain just automatically does it for you. Even if you wanted to processes what's being said to you in some other fashion, you simply can't, which is why people argue for its innateness


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Re: so.. if a "smart" person doesnt understand a "dum" person.. [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21994481 - 07/25/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I wasn't "moving goal posts" or "positing" anything, lol.
I was seriously asking because I'd realized I was thinking completely off base and out of context.
Thanks for explaining Malcolm, I get it now.


@ Zappa: :crankey:


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Re: so.. if a "smart" person doesnt understand a "dum" person.. [Re: 1234go]
    #21994688 - 07/25/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:megacrankey:


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Re: so.. if a "smart" person doesnt understand a "dum" person.. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21997040 - 07/25/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The Rider-Waites are good decks..

But if you're into the new Aeon and shifting perspectives and all that, you might want to look into getting a Thoth deck. Crowley designed.

One attribution on the Tree has changed in accordance with the New Aeon of Horus, (as opposed to the Aeon of the Dying God.)


Basically all the same except for the now obvious fact that in this Aeon, "Tzaddi is not the Star".

Look it up, good reading.







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Re: so.. if a "smart" person doesnt understand a "dum" person.. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21997199 - 07/25/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Poast


funny but you're still a dick . Be nice they might get butthrt .:manofapproval:


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Re: so.. if a "smart" person doesnt understand a "dum" person.. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21997298 - 07/25/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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1234go said:
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zZZz said:
im thinking about creating my own language, and if peeps dont understand it i'll just callem stupid until they are forced to learn it





A mildly thought provoking counter point, and one of your more interesting posts.

Language is man made after all, and all of us just run with the language of the herd. (Sheeple).



Language is not an invention.  Language is an innate, wired in feature of Homo Sapiens.  Writing is an invention.




But doesn't writing have to do with the speech centers of the brain too? Language didn't always exist as it does now though right?
Also what you consider language and what a dolphin consider language is very different but when the use of sounds is charted out all language forums a similar graphic.
Much of why language is written the way it is, is to maintain correct pronunciations of words in speech.
This language called English were using to communicate is an invention but communication it's self isn't. The language you speak also can greatly affect your world view.


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Killer whales whistle, finches twitter, and hyraxes wail. But all of these sounds have long been considered fundamentally different from human language—indeed, so different that scientists haven’t been able to find any intermediate evolutionary steps between animal calls and language. Now, a new study reveals that the calls of animals contain more languagelike characteristics than previously believed. Scientists reached this conclusion after analyzing the vocal sequences of seven species of birds and mammals, from Carolina chickadees to bats and orangutans. They found that animal vocalizations must be generated by complex statistical processes, making them more similar to human language. In the past, researchers assumed that a “Markovian” model best explained the vocal sequences in animal calls. According to this model, animal calls are fairly random and lack the complexity of human language. However, no one had actually tested the Markovian model on animal vocalizations until now. After applying it to the various species’ calls, the researchers report this week in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B that they found no evidence that animals’ vocalizations are restricted as the model would suggest. And that means the gap between human language and animal calls is not so wide after all.




Some of these things are not like the others but actually are.


Now are all my spelling and grammar errors on purpose?


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