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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #21986559 - 07/23/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Everybody please stop comparing Amanitas with Datura!

Besides beeing labled as dissociative they have absolutly nothing in common.

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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #21986698 - 07/23/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have taken massive doses before.
Shrooms are wildly unpredictable.
I've only had weak shrooms a few times.
IME 3 grams can be an intense, powerful experience.
If you're taking doses that high you're rolling
the cosmic dice. sometime you may end up with snake eyes,
begging for mercy. I've seen it happen a bunch of times.

I hope you only ever visit candy mountain :sun:


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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: Love_spirit]
    #21986737 - 07/23/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The bodyhigh usually gets too uncomfortable on >10g that if you are not gone before the trip is in full gear, there is a risk that you will feel this uncomfortable and overpowering bodyhigh and that it affects you in so many ways. Especially if you have not relaxed yourself beforehand. Personally my personality shatters and I become so confused that I fear for my life.

But it is still worth it.


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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: qweqaz]
    #21986770 - 07/23/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My highest dose wasn't my strongest trip. Unless you're taking doses from a known isolate the % of actives is pretty varying.

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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: Pandemoon]
    #21987839 - 07/23/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Pandemoon said:
Everybody please stop comparing Amanitas with Datura!

Besides beeing labled as dissociative they have absolutly nothing in common.

:facepalm3:

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....fair enough....but they don't contain  type amine right?....I am not an expert for shure...would luv sum info...thanks!


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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: Love_spirit]
    #21987883 - 07/23/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Love_spirit said:
I have taken massive doses before.
Shrooms are wildly unpredictable.
I've only had weak shrooms a few times.
IME 3 grams can be an intense, powerful experience.
If you're taking doses that high you're rolling
the cosmic dice. sometime you may end up with snake eyes,
begging for mercy. I've seen it happen a bunch of times.

I hope you only ever visit candy mountain :sun:




.... there is nothing to fear but fear itself.......

But dammit... I'm fearful of fear. Lol :-)

... the whole I think I'm going to die thing... and you actually believe you are dying.

  ....yikes!

  ..... I never like to say things like I can handle my s***. I have a deep respect for the mushroom and that's why so gets very hard on intent up front to be at peace with the mushroom and to pray to the mushroom for its guidance and let them know that I accept whatever he gives unto me! I humble myself before the mushroom every single time and I pray for it's blessings. I've been tripping every two weeks since November and have had nothing but the most amazing experiences! Light and love to the maximum!

..... I'm also interested in cactus, DMT, toad, and I have a little bit of some good L that I'll probably get to.

... but right now I'm working with mushrooms and I really want to see where I can go with them. Anyways, I guess the only thing left to do is actually up my dose and report back....:awethumb:


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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: qweqaz]
    #21987892 - 07/24/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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qweqaz said:
The bodyhigh usually gets too uncomfortable on >10g that if you are not gone before the trip is in full gear, there is a risk that you will feel this uncomfortable and overpowering bodyhigh and that it affects you in so many ways. Especially if you have not relaxed yourself beforehand. Personally my personality shatters and I become so confused that I fear for my life.

But it is still worth it.




.... I'm willing to take my chances but my main concern is hurting myself or others or getting in trouble! Can a trip sitter actually do anything in those situations?

.....:wizardfail:


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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21988808 - 07/24/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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There is this guy....
http://mckennaforum.com/guy-takes-30-gram-mushrooms/

nevermid...the link doesn't work anymore...I'll try to find a new one....This is a tribal guy that goes way beyond what I would feel anwhere comfortable.




..found it......
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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #21988817 - 07/24/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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... the whole I think I'm going to die thing... and you actually believe you are dying.




What's actually happening on your trips at the moment?

I can't compare doses easily because I trip on sclerotia instead of shrooms, but there does seem to be a threshold where the trip crosses the border and feels like a "big reveal" of something incredible.

I think the dying thing is part of it.....like the trip is getting to a point where your consciousness fragments and reassembles, as though you have to die within the trip, and everything beyond that is tinged with the feeling that you are witnessing secrets from the other side, the CEV become alien structures in some kind of netherworld, everything combines into one massive revelation that leaves you dumbstruck.

So... if you're pushing the dosage up gradually I think there's scope to trance out (rather than blackout completely) and come back in a kind of delusional mania where you *think* nuts but you are lucid enough to control your actions and still feel like yourself...as though you've 'woken up' to the truth of it all.

:ancientaliens:

I find with pushing the dose that the trips eventually end up with me convinced I am God, so I prefer to dose slightly less than this...mad but not completely mad. Possibly if I took even more, this is where I'd get naked and start running down the street shouting about Jesus....so I don't really want to push the dose higher than that. I've had one or two trips that felt stronger, but they became more like a kind of fever dream where I just had to lie there drifting in and out of consciousness, like tripping within my nightmares.

There's a lot of fear about "going insane" and "dying" on a trip.....but I think there is a kind of sweet spot where you are fairly insane and half-convinced that you died, filled with awe, and the trip settles into a kind of mania and euphoria that gradually fades, becoming less revelatory and more fun towards the end as the delusions unwind. It feels a bit like surviving the apocalypse ....without getting out of bed.

I suppose the natural tendency is to keep increasing the dose until you get an experience which leaves you thinking "if you have anything stronger.....keep it away from me". The sheer harshness of some of these trips during the comeup is kind of self-regulating; sometimes I prefer a strong trip which gets close to the edge but doesn't go over it. Awe tinged with fear and respect...

:scaryshroom: :feelsshroomyman:


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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: Aldebaran]
    #21988953 - 07/24/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Aldebaran said:
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... the whole I think I'm going to die thing... and you actually believe you are dying.




What's actually happening on your trips at the moment?

I can't compare doses easily because I trip on sclerotia instead of shrooms, but there does seem to be a threshold where the trip crosses the border and feels like a "big reveal" of something incredible.

I think the dying thing is part of it.....like the trip is getting to a point where your consciousness fragments and reassembles, as though you have to die within the trip, and everything beyond that is tinged with the feeling that you are witnessing secrets from the other side, the CEV become alien structures in some kind of netherworld, everything combines into one massive revelation that leaves you dumbstruck.

So... if you're pushing the dosage up gradually I think there's scope to trance out (rather than blackout completely) and come back in a kind of delusional mania where you *think* nuts but you are lucid enough to control your actions and still feel like yourself...as though you've 'woken up' to the truth of it all.

:ancientaliens:

I find with pushing the dose that the trips eventually end up with me convinced I am God, so I prefer to dose slightly less than this...mad but not completely mad. Possibly if I took even more, this is where I'd get naked and start running down the street shouting about Jesus....so I don't really want to push the dose higher than that. I've had one or two trips that felt stronger, but they became more like a kind of fever dream where I just had to lie there drifting in and out of consciousness, like tripping within my nightmares.

There's a lot of fear about "going insane" and "dying" on a trip.....but I think there is a kind of sweet spot where you are fairly insane and half-convinced that you died, filled with awe, and the trip settles into a kind of mania and euphoria that gradually fades, becoming less revelatory and more fun towards the end as the delusions unwind. It feels a bit like surviving the apocalypse ....without getting out of bed.

I suppose the natural tendency is to keep increasing the dose until you get an experience which leaves you thinking "if you have anything stronger.....keep it away from me". The sheer harshness of some of these trips during the comeup is kind of self-regulating; sometimes I prefer a strong trip which gets close to the edge but doesn't go over it. Awe tinged with fear and respect...

:scaryshroom: :feelsshroomyman:





Awesome bro! You hit it right on the head! I want to go as far as I possibly can but just short of some terrorizing fear type scenario.

...  I'm trying to find the sweet spot you speak of. Currently I've been tripping out the 7.5 gram level , it can be a little intense but usually fall right into That amazing uphoria zone! I like to crank the music and dance and misty mountain hop excetra!

... my girlfriend eat an 8th with me at Mount Saint Helens a few weeks ago and completely freaked out and passed out. She was having one of those experiences where she literally felt like she was dying! Humbly I haven't had to experience that but it does not look pleasurable!

... she still gets kinda teary when you bring up the trip! :-) she said she'd never do shrooms again but said she was going to take some with her friend at a concert in a couple weeks so I guess she's beginning to integrate it somewhere :-)! I pushed her too far but I hope she can come back to a lower dose and enjoy mushrooms fully again!

.... I long to visit these far away places of the mind! I've had some amazing trips but not quite the breakthrough that I read about a lot. I feel like I've been in training and preparing to go up and I've been diligent and humble and respect the shroom deeply. I am very involved in planning my trip so that set and setting is as good as possible!

... I'm wondering if I need to go way out in the wilderness to do higher doses? At least then if I strip down naked and run around I'm not going to have to deal with cops excetera.... I swear that's my biggest fear! Freaking out to the point that the cops get called and have to round me up! I'm willing to take my own chances on having a bad or scary trip but the cops f*** that s***! Probably my biggest concern.

Cuz I'm willing to go out there like that! I've had some amazing experiences but feel as though I'm at the threshold and need to pass through the gates!

... I'm wondering if I'm subconsciously distracting myself by music and dancing etc. I feel like I need to lay down and really focus on my trip a little more! Focus. Some suggest tripping without music but I love it so much! I personally feel like it makes the trip! Trip solo?.... I hardly ever do that I always trip with a friend or a small group! I've been showing guidance to some younger guys and helping them become more psychonautic. .... but going to have to do a solo sometime in the very near future! :-)


....thanks so much for feedback!:inlove3::awethumb:


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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #21989016 - 07/24/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you do this i wish you luck and send my love.

I however would recommend a shorter acting chem for intense trips like this such as DPT or DMT.

Anyway good luck and have a sitter capable of physically restraining you......shrooms can get crazier than any other psche ive done.


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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #21989845 - 07/24/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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voodoochild1000 said:
Quote:

qweqaz said:
The bodyhigh usually gets too uncomfortable on >10g that if you are not gone before the trip is in full gear, there is a risk that you will feel this uncomfortable and overpowering bodyhigh and that it affects you in so many ways. Especially if you have not relaxed yourself beforehand. Personally my personality shatters and I become so confused that I fear for my life.

But it is still worth it.




.... I'm willing to take my chances but my main concern is hurting myself or others or getting in trouble! Can a trip sitter actually do anything in those situations?

.....:wizardfail:





If you have someone there that you trust totally, that are just there to make sure you are protected from yourself and others is really a good thing.


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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: qweqaz]
    #21990135 - 07/24/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I sort of skimmed replies but here is my exp: first time I tripped with a friend, we grew our own stuff, didn't know how to dose, and split it 50/50 fresh (it was probably 1/2 oz dry each because it was a smaller mono tub). The experience threw me beyond my wildest realities. I was gone in so many places and times, shapes and forms. Energy from music resonated back to the lives of their creators, and everything was beautiful.when the trip got bad I feared for my life but still learned and loved it.

My next few trips I did 3.5g like I'm supposed to, spaced a month or so apart. I just felt weird or crazy anxious and just didn't feel right with the peeps I was around. Then I had a bad exp on a really high dose, but later on I realized I only like my trips when they are to the extreme. So imo, more is better but it's good to be cautious. I haven't done anything in a little bit, but if you go without fear, and instead excitement, you are in for a helluva good time!


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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #21990444 - 07/24/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I want to go as far as I possibly can but just short of some terrorizing fear type scenario.




Awe and fear are closely linked...so I'm not sure if you can expect to be immune to feelings of fear at higher doses. But don't be afraid of "the fear" - it's a sign of a quality trip! The intensity can get very uncomfortable - it's that feeling of wrongness, that you've gone too far and took too much, where the trip becomes hostile and remorseless, and a feeling of doom sets in. This feeling of "too much, make it stop" is a good sign that you are on track for something epic - it's the feeling of the gates opening... :thumbup:

The intensity combined with the body load can sometimes turn into panic and make you feel like you are dying...but the panic burns itself out, and you start to accept your own death. The trip no longer feels like "just a drug", it's become something deeper and darker.....and you start to wonder what's down there because you are going to have to face it. You can feel something is there, something is about to happen.

:scaryshroom: :aliceshocker:

The trick is to be able to realize that all of this is OK, that the this-plane-is-going-to-crash vibe is normal. Try and laugh at your situation. You are very close to the point where the trip is going to turn around and suddenly become very revelatory and euphoric. If the trip seems very dark it helps to think of it as if you are in some kind of theme park ride...it's scary but it's supposed to be like that....its a kind of facade that will pull back to reveal something awesome and beautiful. You need to embrace that darkness and recognize that it's just part of your own mind.

Even if you feel like you're dying or being annihilated or whatever, there's a kind of liberating feeling that gradually comes over you that your consciousness will continue in one form or another, you will just wait it out....you might fade out for a while but then you are suddenly back and you feel like yourself again...like something incredible has happened.

The ferocity of the onset now feels like it was an epic journey, some elaborate quest or whatever that gets woven into some crazy delusional framework.....but you feel like you've woken up to the true reality and everything is wonderful.

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I'm wondering if I need to go way out in the wilderness to do higher doses?




I suppose it depends on what kind of wilderness....if its safe to wander off into without getting lost, cold, dehydrated, falling into or off something, cutting yourself on a rock...(seems to feature in various trip reports for some reason).

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I swear that's my biggest fear! Freaking out to the point that the cops get called




There's no guarantees, but a lot of these scenarios seem to be down to inexperience or poor settings. If I trip, I just treat it as a commitment to stay in one place no matter what - no wandering off to spread my "mystical insights" with the general population - if it's that important, write it down, if you need to tell somebody, wait until tomorrow.

If I feel like I'm dying, or generally freaking out inside, I just sit there and await my fate (panic wears off and I start to feel silly). It's quite difficult to "hold your shit together" within your mind but you don't need to....you just need to sit still and do nothing. It can help if you have minimal interaction with anybody else...maybe just a sitter who is experienced enough not to take you seriously if you tell them you are dying. The old advice of "wait six hours then call an ambulance" is about right :lol:

The odd thing about shrooms is that you can go fairly insane within your trip, but still remain lucid for most of it....I'm mostly tripping in hotel rooms in Holland, I don't find it difficult to stay quiet.

:feelsshroomyman:

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I'm wondering if I'm subconsciously distracting myself by music and dancing etc.




I always trip with a music playlist on headphones, I try to make it so it complements the different phases of the trip. It can feel like a bit of a lifeline too - all I need to do is listen to the end of the playlist - how hard can that be :wink:

Quote:

I've had some amazing experiences but feel as though I'm at the threshold and need to pass through the gates!




It's not necessarily very far from where you are now....a shroom trip is a shroom trip, it's just that on some of them you feel like you went down a rabbit hole into some crazy story that barely makes any sense afterwards, an experience that feels incredibly powerful or even supernatural as you go through it.

Quote:

I've had some amazing trips but not quite the breakthrough that I read about a lot.




It's a kind of "breakthrough" in a way, but i find it's more of a mystical headtrip on shrooms than some fancy visual thing.....the trip seems to manifest itself fairly abstractly, you read layers of meaning into abstract CEV for example, it's more in-your-mind-visionary than in-your-face-visual. The room is still there in front of you, even if you are drifting off somewhere else in your mind. The visuals can become very strong, but you get so wrapped up in the headtrip that you may not notice them during the peak, or they start to seem normal.

****
A bit of a rambling post...my general message is.... do be sensible and cautious, don't underestimate the intensity, but remember that even if you find yourself in some horrific meat grinder of a trip, just ride with it.

It's "the storm before the calm" and YES, IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THAT. If you can relax your grip on reality and sink into the rhythms of the trip, you will find a kind of equilibrium in there, and sooner or later you will feel like you have merged with the trip and it no longer frightens you...it is you.:peace:


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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: Aldebaran]
    #21990893 - 07/24/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

mushrooms are a mysterious drug

I've had 6-7 gram trips that really didn't do too much at all

and i've had trips like 1.7 grams one time that literally had my entire outside reality looking like an LSD trip with the immensely vivid colors and rotational geometric patterns and shit

I've waited 10 days between trips and only felt noticeable effects and i've waited not even 48 hours and pushed straight into near level 4 off the same exact dose

I don't know what to tell ya


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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: cube talk]
    #21990953 - 07/24/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I know what your talking about. IME with mushrooms less is always more.


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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: lood_dood]
    #21991935 - 07/24/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lood_dood said:
I sort of skimmed replies but here is my exp: first time I tripped with a friend, we grew our own stuff, didn't know how to dose, and split it 50/50 fresh (it was probably 1/2 oz dry each because it was a smaller mono tub). The experience threw me beyond my wildest realities. I was gone in so many places and times, shapes and forms. Energy from music resonated back to the lives of their creators, and everything was beautiful.when the trip got bad I feared for my life but still learned and loved it.

My next few trips I did 3.5g like I'm supposed to, spaced a month or so apart. I just felt weird or crazy anxious and just didn't feel right with the peeps I was around. Then I had a bad exp on a really high dose, but later on I realized I only like my trips when they are to the extreme. So imo, more is better but it's good to be cautious. I haven't done anything in a little bit, but if you go without fear, and instead excitement, you are in for a helluva good time!





Excitement. ....not fear....

...I give myself to the mushroom and trust it's message. ...

...It's given me all love and wisdom at 7-8g range

....I am humble and open to the mystery...

......at least I think....:shrug:


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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #21993732 - 07/25/15 05:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you're taking sensible steps up in dosage I'm sure you'll be fine, you can judge for yourself what dose level you feel comfortable at.

It's when you get trips that are uncomfortable, but they are intriguing enough to make you want to explore a bit further on the next one... thats when you might end up in something that feels unpleasant or overwhelming, at least initially.

The tricky thing with these high dose trips is that I know they will work out OK and I'll really enjoy it once I'm reaching the peak, it's just the knowledge that the onset can be challenging. It's something familiar but daunting....

A little bit of fear adds to the excitement anyway, it can make the trip seem very thrilling and mysterious :wink: In a funny way I think the sheer intensity of the onset, as the trip builds, is sometimes the best part of the whole experience, scarily enjoyable....

Have fun, I hope you reach the type of experience you are seeking!


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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: Aldebaran]
    #21995953 - 07/25/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you do, do this please report back. I'm super curious how this works for you.


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Re: Beyond 8 grams.....uncharted territory. .. [Re: Aldebaran]
    #22001620 - 07/26/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for all the kind words....:wonka:


... will be going to the 9 to 9.5 range in the next 2 to 4 weeks.

....then 11....then 12.5....

  I hear what you're saying about the too much thing! Too much make it stop!

I've had just felt that that a couple times but then my mind says f*** no! I love mush! it's all good! Breathe and ride it out!

  For me it's like a river! The full force of it will drown you..

When it gets really intense I usually Go closed eyed and focus on my breathing! I try to break apart the flow of energy and divert it out...

.... I always hold to the thought..." I chose to take something and this is the experience I chose. And also there is no way I can overdose so relax! You took something and that's why you feel this way. Stay calm...breathe.....:levitate:



Probably going to do a focused solo trip at the 7.5 level and then move up... so probably about 3 weeks from now....

  The Enigma continues.....:aweyeah:


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