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Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics 1
#21985284 - 07/23/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well I guess this might seem interesting to someone, here is a collection of pics taken at various days. PF Tek with some mistakes made. Half pint jars, brf, Cubensis B+ Inoculation made on July 15th
Here is a picture taken at July 17th
 first signs of growth appear.
July 18
 Was worried that the black spot could have been black mold. Those were spores.
July 20
  Black spot didn't expand, mycelium starts growing more aggressively.
July 22
 Inside of jar began to get warmer than the auxiliary temp, so condensation became a thing to read up about.
July 23 (morning)
  By now, it has been 8 days and the jars are 95/100% colonized.
July 26
   approximately day 3 of consolidation, the mycelium has penetrated the dry verm layer and is starting to colonize it too. ALL 3 jars look almost identical, even while looking from the top without the lid..

I have taken the lids off, for the pooling moisture to vaporize and to encourage FAE. I will probably dunk them in the next 24hours.
Same day: Well since taking the lid off usually would trigger pinning, I just took and dunk'ed em. They did colonize the shit out of the dry verm layer
 
My shotgun fruiting chamber is a fucking bucket
 Plenty o' holes, gonna add 1 liter of vermiculite.
I'll keep this updated with new pics as I go along.
Edited by swatsqad (07/26/15 09:20 AM)
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21985307 - 07/23/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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these were inoculated on my birthday!!! hope they do well! and I would wait until wednesday atleast
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21985310 - 07/23/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah man! 95-100%. Start the 1-2 week consolidation on the 100% ones
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Mad Season]
#21985352 - 07/23/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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if that culture is that eager, it may not last the entire consolidation period.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Mad Season]
#21985384 - 07/23/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So technically these babies will have the same birthday as you! I'll call them tryptkaloids jr1..2..3.. etc.!
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21985396 - 07/23/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21985401 - 07/23/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well I don't have that much time anyway, because I'm leaving the country on the first half of August. I'm hoping to start counting 5 days from tomorrow.
Edit. xD.
Edited by swatsqad (07/23/15 03:07 PM)
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21985492 - 07/23/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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it may not even take that long like mike said. if you're leaving I would say wait until they are all fully colonised then birth just to save time
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: tryptkaloids]
#21985547 - 07/23/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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...or you could get away with refrigerating them until you get back. Just put them in ziploc freezer bags and then into a lunch pale/ insulated zippered bag and put them in the vegetable crisper.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: tryptkaloids]
#21985557 - 07/23/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've heard very conflicting opinions about this dunk. Some say I should dunk them, some say I should skip it to save time, some say to use a saucer with a bit of water to put the cake in the SGFC.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike]
#21985567 - 07/23/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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insanemike said: ...or you could get away with refrigerating them until you get back. Just put them in ziploc freezer bags and then into a lunch pale/ insulated zippered bag and put them in the vegetable crisper.
I'm leaving for a very long time. a few years probably.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21985576 - 07/23/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dunk and roll as prescribed
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike]
#21985684 - 07/23/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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why would you start this project right before leaving for YEARS??? you didn't really plan this out did you?
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: tryptkaloids]
#21985727 - 07/23/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: why would you start this project right before leaving for YEARS??? you didn't really plan this out did you?
I started the project before I knew I would have to.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21985872 - 07/23/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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My thought with skipping the dunk was to skip the recovery time and flattening of the surface mycellium the dunk induces.
Not having tried it though, I couldn't really say. Honestly, given the teks out there, how many people out there have really tried a side by side of isolate PF cakes dunked vs not dunked for fruiting speed. The people who can do it probably don't care enough to try it.
Since he's in a super rush, my thinking was faster pinset smaller yield. Maybe the pins come on like a day later but grow faster after a dunk mitigating it. Given how aggressive his cakes are, it wouldn't be suprising to me if they're pinning before his consolidation time is over.
Does anyone know?
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21986227 - 07/23/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow that's gotta be a record or something! wtf holy god!!
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: JacobStorm]
#21988008 - 07/24/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would think so, because using the PF Tek with a spore syringe, achieving full colonization in 8 days since inoculation (and not since the first signs of growth that could take weeks), I have not seen any evidence of anyone else having such an aggressive growth? I could be wrong, and probably am, but please share your thoughts.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21988025 - 07/24/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those jars are looking a little too moist inside from the looks of it.. But that's some perfect fucking myc you got right there. Birth it while you can!
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: relsseS]
#21988072 - 07/24/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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relsseS said: Those jars are looking a little too moist inside from the looks of it.. But that's some perfect fucking myc you got right there. Birth it while you can!
Well AFAIK its not a problem until the condensation starts to pool at the bottom of the jar, and from the looks of it, none of my jars are doing so. The smell coming from the tiny holes in the lids is amazing, fresh shroomey forest  Birthing is the biggest issue here now, nobody really knows or has tried a test of identical jars, some being dunked and some not.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21988326 - 07/24/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think your results owe in part to your poorly ground rice flour. I believe this allowed the mycellium to move through the substrate which much greater ease due to the increase in empty space, but the rice that did grind up finely provided constant nutrition and encouragement for growth.
Some people claim whole rice grains contain no bacterial endospores, others claim they do, so that is the risk factor of not using fully ground flour when steaming. You may have stumbled into the best PF tek method for people with pressure cookers.
I see no reason to freak and birth them. Give'm a couple days to consolidate their grip on the nutrition. Violet, a very smart cultivator who uses a lot of whole brown rice, says that rice requires a lengthier consolidation to yield its potential.
Re: Dunking vs Not Dunk: Greater yield is pretty much assured No Dunk: Possibly faster pinset
You're really so far ahead of the curve it doesn't matter. I think there's a good chance you'll have fruits by the 8th, almost certainly by the 15th.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21988385 - 07/24/15 02:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Machiavelliavore said: I think your results owe in part to your poorly ground rice flour. I believe this allowed the mycellium to move through the substrate which much greater ease due to the increase in empty space, but the rice that did grind up finely provided constant nutrition and encouragement for growth.
Some people claim whole rice grains contain no bacterial endospores, others claim they do, so that is the risk factor of not using fully ground flour when steaming. You may have stumbled into the best PF tek method for people with pressure cookers.
I see no reason to freak and birth them. Give'm a couple days to consolidate their grip on the nutrition. Violet, a very smart cultivator who uses a lot of whole brown rice, says that rice requires a lengthier consolidation to yield its potential.
Re: Dunking vs Not Dunk: Greater yield is pretty much assured No Dunk: Possibly faster pinset
You're really so far ahead of the curve it doesn't matter. I think there's a good chance you'll have fruits by the 8th, almost certainly by the 15th.
That could be it! I basically grounded the rice in two different consistencies, 50% of the rice was fine powder and the other half was just barely crushed up to break the rice in 2/3 pieces. Vermiculate used was quite fine at 2mm. 4 inoculation points, about 1cc per jar, B+ spores. Also I used 99% isopropyl alcohol, and I wiped almost everything with it. I used a simple pot with a glass lid with a hole in it (pressure release valve), steamed for 100 minutes (keep in mind that no real pressure was building up). Left to cool for 1 hour, then cooled in a cold water pot for an hour and then inoculated. Left the foil on for 48 hours, after the first signs of mycelium growth I've removed the foil tops and kept the lids on.
I Will dunk them in 4 days, but only for about 12 hours.
Edited by swatsqad (07/24/15 02:37 AM)
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21988398 - 07/24/15 02:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Still gotta be some pretty baller genetics to germinate in two days and destroy that sub in a week.

Gonna throw a couple cakes using a 4:1:1:2 verm, hydrated brown rice, rye flour, water concoction next PC run. See if it really does wreck hard with any culture.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
Edited by Machiavelliavore (07/24/15 02:42 AM)
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21988423 - 07/24/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Try making the brf yourself by grounding up 2 different batches, ultra fine and ultra coarse. Also I'm not sure how rye would effect a grow.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21988467 - 07/24/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd try your authentic method, but I don't wanna dull my coffee grinder. Rye flour should simulate the fine component well enough, rice for the rough. I think it's probably way more about the texture than the grain.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21988609 - 07/24/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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8 days. good job!
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: eatyualive]
#21998371 - 07/26/15 03:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well here is a status update : Jars 1 2 and 3 look identically colonized, can't see any contams in any of them.


 However water condensation did look like it was starting to pool a little bit at the bottom. I have taken the lids off (to encourage fae and remove some of the moisture built up), today is ~day 3 of colonization. I am thinking to start the dunk either tonight or tomorrow. The mycelium has penetrated the dry verm barrier and I would think it is trying to get out of the jar 
 They smell super mushroomey, maybe a little bit on the sour side, but definitely a strong mushroom smell.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21998377 - 07/26/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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By removing the lids you have basically initiated fruiting conditions, albeit poor fruiting conditions.
Either put the lids on and wait, or dunk'm now. You don't wanna dunk after pin formation (afaik = waterlogged shitty pins.) I've never used a verm top layer, but I think that kind of aggression towards dry verm suggests they're probably ready to dunk.
Also not sure where this condensation is bad thing came from. I've never heard it nor had a problem with it.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
Edited by Machiavelliavore (07/26/15 03:49 AM)
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21998380 - 07/26/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Machiavelliavore said: By removing the lids you have basically initiated fruiting conditions, albeit poor fruiting conditions.
Either put the lids on and wait, or dunk'm now. You don't wanna dunk after pin formation (afaik = waterlogged shitty pins.) I've never used a verm top layer, but I think that kind of aggression towards dry verm suggests they're probably ready to dunk.
Also not sure where this condensation is bad thing came from. I've never heard it nor had a problem with it.
Sounds reasonable, I'll put on some foil on top and just give them that extra few hours for consolidation. Although I too believe that when its climbing out of the jar, that would indicate that its done. Anyone else care to input?
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21998416 - 07/26/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The surface mycellium can dry out within a couple hours. Yeah dude, that variety is so agro, it's pretty incredible.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21998423 - 07/26/15 04:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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for how long should I dunk them? Or should I skip the dunk entirely? I'm pretty sure I'll make it to the second flush to dunk then.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21998459 - 07/26/15 05:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Like you said earlier 12 hours should be fine, especially since they're so new.
It's not that it won't make it to the second flush, it's that the first dunk increases your water capacity for a bigger first flush. Given that you are so far ahead of schedule, I'd just go ahead and dunk or let'm consolidate n dunk later. It's really early, but nothing about your grow has stuck to the standard time table. The dunk should wash of all that condensation right?
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21998497 - 07/26/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'll dunk them tonight before midnight and roll them tomorrow afternoon. Now I'm off to buy myself a plastic box :p
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21998541 - 07/26/15 06:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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 I need an answer asap because im at the shop now. do you think any of these would work? both are 11l capacity, I would use a plastic wrap lid
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21998596 - 07/26/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Buy a sterlite tub
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike]
#21998661 - 07/26/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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insanemike said: Buy a sterlite tub
um. What the f is a sterlite tub? The best thing in my country that I can find is probably that stupid plastic bucket. Brand name plastic containers should be bought only online, and I don't even want to invest into them, since they'll go to the bin after this 3 jar flush. I bought the plastic bucket, its 30cm / 12 inches tall, and has enough room for 3 of my jars.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21998703 - 07/26/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dunk and roll, nice cakes!
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: kiksen]
#21998722 - 07/26/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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My perlite is also 2mm in diameter, so I'll have to drill a metric shit ton of holes on the bottom with a small drill bit. I'll keep updating this thread with pics hang on for an hour or so.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21998745 - 07/26/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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insanemike said: Buy a sterlite tub
um. What the f is a sterlite tub? The best thing in my country that I can find is probably that stupid plastic bucket. Brand name plastic containers should be bought only online, and I don't even want to invest into them, since they'll go to the bin after this 3 jar flush. I bought the plastic bucket, its 30cm / 12 inches tall, and has enough room for 3 of my jars.
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um. What the f is a sterlite tub? The best thing in my country that I can find is probably that stupid plastic bucket. Brand name plastic containers should be bought only online, and I don't even want to invest into them, since they'll go to the bin after this 3 jar flush. I bought the plastic bucket, its 30cm / 12 inches tall, and has enough room for 3 of my jars.
sorry, mang. I seem to always forget that there is such a diverse population on this website.
Yeah, I live in a post soviet union country, currently we're in the Euro zone, but still I can smell the Russians in the air here. Plastic bucket power.
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is this looking good enough?
 
Next I'll probably just go ahead and dunk those puppies. 1) take the cakes out of the jars carefully 2) wash the cakes under lukewarm tap water, wash off the dry verm that has started to colonize too 3) dunk the cakes in a pot and weight them down, for up to 12 hours. My tap water is really clean, and AFAIK has virtually no chlorine. I'll clean everything with 99% isopropyl alcohol, the pot I'll dunk them in, and the fruiting bucket.
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Cakes are dunked. I repeat, cakes are dunked No going back now.. They did colonize the shit out of the dry verm layer
(door = dry layer)
 
The cakes were quite moist though, and I've read on this forum that a ~4/5 hour dunk should be plenty. What are your opinions about this? The auxiliary humidity and temperature in the room they'll be fruiting is 85% and 22 degrees Celsius.
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the only jar of mine that colonised up to the top of the dry verm was infected with cobweb..
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Well look at the second pic, Its clearly rhizomorphic mycelium, thick and dense ropes. Also the whole room now smells of mushrooms :P
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I'm not saying you have cobweb (although it could be hiding out for now, doubtful but possible) the reason is probably because the dry verm wasn't completely dry. there was water to be consumed up there so the myc went for it. i'm just saying I got cobweb for the same reason your dry layer is colonised
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: tryptkaloids]
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hiding cobweb.. real cobweb doesn't hide. It explodes in a hell fire and covers the whole thing until it is fluffier than a dandelion. You most likely had a different mold. Like dactylium. Cobweb is actually pretty rare.
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then I don't understand the pictures i've seen where cobweb is completly covering a monotub fruit bodies and all.. how did they fruit before cobweb set in?
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Mad Season]
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Don't scare me guys : P I don't think any of the jars were contaminated. also the growth on the dry layer was thick, I had to apply some force to break it off, if it was cobweb, it would disintegrate by just blowing on it.
So back to my original question, dunk time? The cakes are quite sparse in regards to the gaps, because of my BRF tek (trademark?) xD I'd say that about 5/6 hours will be enough. Just want to put them in my bucket shotgun fruiting chamber {BSFT}.. and hope that pinning happens in the next 24 hours.
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Because the mycelium was too weak to fight it and stop it from spreading/germinating. Most likely from bacteria, or something else that was weakening it. Once introduced to open air/fruiting, if it is weakened, there's a good chance anything can germinate. Like trich or mycogone. This is what makes clean spawn so important. Once cobby starts, it'll have the whole thing covered in under 24 hours.
Also cobweb spreads by pieces of its mycelium breaking off and going into the air. It doesn't need to germinate because it is mycelium particles. Thus once it starts it'll spread all over to everything in your grow room like a hell storm.
@OP Dunk overnight, or while you're at work, and roll in verm. Not really an exact science
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thank you! sorry for making you worry OP I was just trying to shed some light on my limited experience
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: tryptkaloids]
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Nah I'm not worried. I'll be launching my work project tomorrow morning, so will be busy and out of home for a few days I think, so I'll still only dunk them for 4/5 hours, then put them in the chamber, mist the verm layer with water 2 hours later, they're small cakes and I don't expect or need a huge flush anyway. I'll also oven bake the dry verm that I'll be using to roll them in, then put a spoonfull of wet verm on top of the cake to give them that extra bit of moisture. Since the relative humidity is 85% I'm not worried, all the perlite will have to do is raise the humidity by 10/15% anyways.
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Well here they are, rolled.
  That bucket seems to have enough airholes. They are being kept on the first floor, the relative humidity there is about 90%, and temperature about 19 degrees Celsius. I've left a light bulb on about 1 meter above the chamber, and I'll transfer the chamber to the 2nd floor, where the temperature is higher by 3/4 degrees.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
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Good that you're using such a small FC for so few cakes, should help. Yeah he got jesus's sperm in the spore syringe. Must be why they call it B+.
You don't want those cakes to dry out while you're away. You should be able to judge how quickly the mist evaporates from the surface to get a sense of how often they need to be misted.
I'd tape up at least half of the holes above the perlite while you're away. I've had nice pinsets off cakes in unmodified totes. You really only need that big FAE once the pins are in IME.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
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Machiavelliavore said: Good that you're using such a small FC for so few cakes, should help. Yeah he got jesus's sperm in the spore syringe. Must be why they call it B+.
You don't want those cakes to dry out while you're away. You should be able to judge how quickly the mist evaporates from the surface to get a sense of how often they need to be misted.
I'd tape up at least half of the holes above the perlite while you're away. I've had nice pinsets off cakes in unmodified totes. You really only need that big FAE once the pins are in IME.
Well I'll have a person misting them once every 3/4 hours if I'll be away.
What if pins start to appear tomorrow? That would definitely indicate that these are the offspring of Jesus and Chuck Norris.
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The solution to the problem is adding more human labor. Such eastern block thinking... 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the tree of life is about to explode off that cake. Probably come back after 4 days to a pound of shrooms per cake that taught your slave labor how to grow another generation.
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then I don't understand the pictures i've seen where cobweb is completly covering a monotub fruit bodies and all.. how did they fruit before cobweb set in?
Unfortunately people refer to a lot of different molds as cobweb so it's hard to generalize about it. I've seen Dactylium, Aspergillus, Mucor, Rhizopus, even Trichoderma mycelium referred to as cobweb mold.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure the tree of life is about to explode off that cake. Probably come back after 4 days to a pound of shrooms per cake that taught your slave labor how to grow another generation.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
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Well, can't see any pins yet :P I guess this is the part where I catch up with the "standard schedule".
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Well I have a few questions today, since no early signs of growth are appearing. Do I have to lower my FAE to initiate knot forming? And by not misting directly onto the cakes, how am I supposed to mist them? mist just the sides of the fruiting chamber? here's how they look now.

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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
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Mist the cakes.You want evaporation from the cake, not from the grow chamber walls. Do not spray them with a direct mist, spray at an upward angle and let the mist fall onto the cakes. Then fan immediately after misting.
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insanemike said: Mist the cakes.You want evaporation from the cake, not from the grow chamber walls. Do not spray them with a direct mist, spray at an upward angle and let the mist fall onto the cakes. Then fan immediately after misting.
is misting and fanning once every 2/3 hours enough? Also I've heard that to initiate the fruiting, I could close off some of the airholes?
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
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Where are you getting this terrible info? Mist when they aren't glistening wet until they are glistening wet. No pooling water ever. If you keep them hydrated constantly by directly misting, you can have fae to the max. Lowering fae won't do much. I get killer pinsets with proper hydration through misting when needed and having a chamber with max fae. Low fae gives me shit
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They'll fruit when they're ready. All you need to do is mist and fan as needed. There is no set mist and fan schedule just do it when things look like they need it.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike]
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I want to try an elaborate setup, where my ultrasonic humidifier would send a breeze of very humid air towards the bottom of the chamber, would that be a good idea? Or is the chance of contamination unnecessarily increased this way?
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
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How many people who are pros do you see using those? Unless it's a green house, you won't see that stuff. Baby steps. You don't even know what they actually need to fruit. Don't start thinking you can make an automated chamber when you don't even know what they need.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Mad Season]
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 soo this type of setup wouldn't be any good? set on a timer for 30 minutes every 2 hours, fan speed is a bit higher, but the humidity level is lowered a bit (to not lower the temperature too much). The fog isn't heated at all so it falls to the bottom, venting through the holes near the perlite (FAE? getting rid of CO2 at the bottom). I'm just using common sense here :| Should I just shut the fuck up , mist and fan manually?
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that is INCREDIBLY humid.. I don't think that is going to help. a big pinning trigger is evaporation off of the cakes which won't happen if there's no dry air for the water to go into
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: tryptkaloids]
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tryptkaloids said: that is INCREDIBLY humid.. I don't think that is going to help. a big pinning trigger is evaporation off of the cakes which won't happen if there's no dry air for the water to go into
For now I've lowered the humidity level, but still kept the fan speed a bit higher, so I am POSITIVE that it fans out every bit of CO2 every 30 minutes. Until they start pinning or developing knots I have some time to research on how to adjust the humidity in there. Can't help but feel like this kind of setup + a bit higher aux temperature would be killer.
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You didn't listen to what me or Mike said did you? Humidity isn't important. The more you get is just detrimental. It lowers evaporation rates and increases bacteria/chances of other contams. Instead of trying to work on your humidity, work on your misting. You replace the water that was evaporated with misting. Humidity doesn't do that. Here's a grow done without any fruiting chambers. Pure open air.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21288129
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well he obviously took a picture of it when he just misted. I'm saying for the whole time it was in fruiting it wasn't misted enough. If it had proper surface hydration/humidity, it'd be pinning on the surface of it. I fruited these guys in literally 1-10% humidity. They just had good surface hydration.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21856836
obviously they're cracked from being dry, but that's because they're subjected to such harsh conditions. A proper sgfc can dip down to 50% relative humidity at times based on the rooms air currents. What truly matters is a constant surface humidity/hydration (replaced with misting) with a lower humidity around it. This with a maximum fae will cause a constant evaporation. Any info from 5 years to now will completely agree with this statement. What matters most is the eyes to know when it needs to be misted or not.
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Mad Season said: You don't get it. With 95-100% humidity how will there be evaporation? Just think about it. Just saying a real sgfc is like rarely above 90%. 65-80 normally. This is why they dry out a lot and need misting a lot. This is their principle.
Just read this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19279962#19279962 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542
Also in Florida it's not constantly 95%-100%. That is actually ridiculously beneficial for bacteria and as said before slows down evaporation. Also the fruits might be a bit wet, but the cakes look like they still need more. Still not even at the right darkness of proper hydration
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Your wrong. They don't. If they did your substrate would be over saturated. You don't want a fruiting chamber to be at 95-100, the only place you need the rh that high is in the microclimate formed at the substrate surface.
A SGFC should fluctuate between 85-55% rh. If it jumps from higher to lower than that in a short period of time you will end up with split fruits like the OP of this thread. Thats why I suggested to check his AC as that will interfer with the chambers natural operation.
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I'm sure he had his reasons at the time he said that but first, he is still human and capable of mistakes, two he has recanted a lot of things he said over the years, and three he knows full well total saturation will prevent evaporation. Maybe you read his post out of context.
Also your sub can easily be oversaturated if the rh is so high that the moisture from the misting people like to do will not evaporate off and are drawn into the substrate. Happens lots here, it inhibits pinning.
Your hygrometer is most likely not correct, most are garbage and analog ones need to be constantly recalibrated. Thats why few real cultivators use them. If the rh has not dropped to at least 60 when you fan, its not working.
Lets be completely serious here. No monotub holds RH higher than 80. They don't need to. A fruit can grow just fine in 60 RH. Some of the best grows here on the boards were done in open air. The only place the rh needs to be at 95% is right at the substrate surface. Microclimate.
I hope you understand what mushrooms actually need now. Humidity isn't needed like how new people seem to think it is. High humidity increases contamination rates, lowers evaporation rates, and over saturates the cakes. You want to use your eyes to tell when they're happy. A timer and a gauge will never be able to mist when needed. It'll just mist when programmed to. It doesn't know what the surface of the mycelium is like.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Mad Season]
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Thank you for the clarification, I'll try to stick to manual misting then, they do seem to dry out a lot, and I struggle to keep them "glazed" with moisture, and not mist directly onto the cakes, cause the chamber is so small, and misting upwards would just make a great big mess, I'll figure something out.
However would this setup I have made still be beneficial for fruiting conditions?
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You can mist directly a foot or so away if you have a super fine mister. You don't want to hit it with any streams of water. Just a blanket of mist.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Mad Season]
#22005111 - 07/27/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well I'm trying to keep them as moist as I can.. Hopefully I'll have something interesting tomorrow to post :P
It looks like the mycelium isn't even trying to grab onto the dry verm. Should I be worried that the cakes are half brain dead?
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swatsqad said: Cakes are dunked. I repeat, cakes are dunked No going back now.. They did colonize the shit out of the dry verm layer
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: JacobStorm]
#22007964 - 07/28/15 03:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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   Well here they are this morning, I'm not sure what to think of it, maybe those are tiny knots forming? or just the mycelium spreading again..
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22008014 - 07/28/15 04:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's not uncommon to see fluffing like that after a dunk recovery. Definitely not knotting for the most part.
You may have two knotts in the middle pic at the bottom of the cake near the out of focus shit. Can't quite tell.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22008153 - 07/28/15 06:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is one cake about 3 hours later.
 Are those fuzzy button like spots normal? Am I just gonna witness the mycelium grow again?
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22008180 - 07/28/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If I'm not mistaken them for water droplets, those look like hyphal knots
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike]
#22008199 - 07/28/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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taken without a flash
 I'm pretty sure those are just water droplets. I did go out today and bought a quality german made spray bottle, so its now creating a very fine mist.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22008426 - 07/28/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have an idea, My RH in the house is actually 85%, so the evaporation and SGFC FAE doesn't seem to be that effective, will that dramatically slow down the growth? can I take the "lid" off of the SGFC?
On a side note. I have two timers, one ultrasonic humidifier with a fan and a dehumidifier, I wonder if...
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22008452 - 07/28/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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At 85% rh in your grow room, you could fruit those cakes in open air.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike]
#22008470 - 07/28/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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insanemike said: At 85% rh in your grow room, you could fruit those cakes in open air.
Well the whole house is at 90% on the first floor to 80/85% on the floor the SGFC is. I'll take the lid off for now, I'm afraid that evaporation never really happens that effectively, and all I can see is the mycelium continues to grow.. It might look like pin formation, but its quite obvious that its too fluffy to be that.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22008899 - 07/28/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Probably the best picture I could take with my iphone5s..
 weird fluffy spots on the mycelium, and the condensed water droplets didn't evaporate or get absorbed for 3 hours.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22008915 - 07/28/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It looks properly hydrated tho. If you can keep them looking like that 24/7, you'll be rockin it
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Mad Season]
#22008922 - 07/28/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: It looks properly hydrated tho. If you can keep them looking like that 24/7, you'll be rockin it
It's been 3 hours since I've last misted them.. maybe even 4, and that's with the lid completely off. I'm thinking I should do something with my ambient RH.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22008928 - 07/28/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nah. Sounds good to me , just keep doing what you're doing. I mist bulk once a day, and cakes 2-3 times a day. They should last after misting 4-12 hours.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Mad Season]
#22008954 - 07/28/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well I'm trying to keep them as happy as I can, tending(fanning, misting, making observations etc.) them every half hour. Though I'm concerned about contamination, too much FAE or overmisting or some cat hair getting into the chamber
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22008983 - 07/28/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It'll be fine. Any contams at this point will be because of either fruiting when it isn't colonized, or you had a hidden contamination throughout the entire colonization time. As long as it was 100%, never blame a contamination on your environment. Work on inoculating with something clean as balls(agar work), sterilizing properly, and having proper techniques. I like to put trays on the table in my dirty kitchen as a center piece. I've never had anything contaminate from it
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22008986 - 07/28/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cakes are pretty well protected by the mycelium network so no need to worry about contams. If you are eager to work, instead of driving yourself crazy tending to those cakes, start another project to occupy your time.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike]
#22009036 - 07/28/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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after these fruit I'll have to leave the country :|
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22010810 - 07/28/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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swatsqad said: This is one cake about 3 hours later.
 Are those fuzzy button like spots normal? Am I just gonna witness the mycelium grow again? 
Those sure look like knots to me, right at the top. They seem to like forming around the joints on cakes for some reason IME.
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swatsqad said: I have an idea, My RH in the house is actually 85%, so the evaporation and SGFC FAE doesn't seem to be that effective, will that dramatically slow down the growth? can I take the "lid" off of the SGFC?
On a side note. I have two timers, one ultrasonic humidifier with a fan and a dehumidifier, I wonder if...
Just chill, nothing is going wrong. Looks like you are providing sufficient fruting conditions, beyond that the mushrooms to determine at their own pacing.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22013478 - 07/29/15 06:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, they have completely stalled.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22013554 - 07/29/15 07:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Didn't go from MS syringe inoculation to fruits in under two weeks.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22013614 - 07/29/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patience is an invaluable tool in this hobby. You better get use to it now if you want continued success in the future.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike]
#22017764 - 07/29/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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At this rate I won't make it and will probably have to leave even before the first harvest. 4 days of absolutely no activity, even though they are receiving a lot of care ;(
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
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They can prolly go from knotts to fruits in like 9 days, you have 16. Remember, you basically skipped consolidation. Supposedly when that's done, they may just sit there and then fruit when they're ready.
Post a picture of your cake after misting. Also, don't be afraid to just poke it and see if it feels dry.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22018512 - 07/30/15 06:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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  with and without the flash. Looks like its just trying to colonize the verm that it's rolled in :/
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
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Today was my birthday :/ god damn not even on that occasion
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22021545 - 07/30/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
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Machiavelliavore said: They can prolly go from knotts to fruits in like 9 days, you have 16. Remember, you basically skipped consolidation. Supposedly when that's done, they may just sit there and then fruit when they're ready.
Post a picture of your cake after misting. Also, don't be afraid to just poke it and see if it feels dry.
I remember pasty saying once that if his cakes finish abnormally fast, he does a 2 week consolidation instead of 1. The consolidation period is still important, and will help retain moisture right up until pinning
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Mad Season]
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Machiavelliavore said: They can prolly go from knotts to fruits in like 9 days, you have 16. Remember, you basically skipped consolidation. Supposedly when that's done, they may just sit there and then fruit when they're ready.
Post a picture of your cake after misting. Also, don't be afraid to just poke it and see if it feels dry.
I remember pasty saying once that if his cakes finish abnormally fast, he does a 2 week consolidation instead of 1. The consolidation period is still important, and will help retain moisture right up until pinning
Well that boat has sailed. And I think I'm starting to see some bruising that would have happened out of nowhere. Or maybe they just got fed up with standing there and started to develop mold.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22023253 - 07/31/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mycelium develops a blue hue when it becomes stressed. It could be from over misting or from an increased dehydration rate
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22023269 - 07/31/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Guy gets Insectoid Bison face on 9 day PF cake

Still upset.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
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Still upset.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: rolear8]
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6 days after birthing - No change whatsoever ;( Unless they start pinning in the next 2 days, I don't think I'll have enough time at that point, and won't be able to do anything with the fruits even if they do eventually come out.. Is there anything I can do with the cakes besides throwing them out?
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
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Post photos immediately after misting. Remember they would have consolidated in like 7 days normally. Fruiting can go very fast once it happens. Don't chuck'm. You have 14 days right? That's plenty of time.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
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Machiavelliavore said: Post photos immediately after misting. Remember they would have consolidated in like 7 days normally. Fruiting can go very fast once it happens. Don't chuck'm. You have 14 days right? That's plenty of time.
What difference does it make if I take the pictures right after misting? I don't have 14 days, after 14 days I'm leaving, so that means I'll be very busy packing my stuff and managing the documents and such.
Here are the cakes after misting, each one of them.
   No primadoria, no knotting, no change whatsoever. I'd guess I don't have enough FAE? any damn ideas for what to do to force those shits to knot?
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
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I'd like to confirm with some other users, but to me that looks like not enough mist. They should have small water droplets all over them if I'm not mistaken. Those should be mostly evaporated by the next time you return to mist it.
You could also just throw them in a closed medium size container ~15-30L~, mist it and the walls once every couple days and fan it out once or twice a day. I've never had any trouble getting a pinset this way. Then just slam'm back in the sgfc for fruiting FAE. I know evaporation is supposedly THE pinning trigger, but almost everything I've put in such containers come out with a nice pinset.
Also poke them, make sure they don't feel dehydrated.
Sorry about misstating your time table.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22027134 - 08/01/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've put my glove on and picked up the cakes to inspect them from other angles, some things do concern me. They don't feel light, and they smell the same from every angle. 2 of them have very pronounced fuzzy white growth on the bottom, that looks like cobweb or another contam.

pics from other cakes and angles and stuff.
  
Due to my complete lack of optimism and motivation to actually get the facts straight, I turned one cake upside down and pooled some water on the now-top of the cake for no reason.
 Actually from the last pic, it does look like small knotting, once I've viewed the pics on my pc. Now that I think about it, all of the cakes were birthed upside down in relation to how they were colonizing in the jars. Well I've flipped them, maybe that will help. Looks like almost all of them have these small balls that look like knots that have been developing at the bottom.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
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Yup those look like knotts.
Under the cakes there is a high humidity microclimate causing the mycellium to fuzz (it does look a bit greyer than usual, hope it's not mold.) I would leave them as they are for now, don't want those knotts to dry out, leaven'm where they're happy.
Mist more IMO. What the knotts under them suggest is that surface humidity on the cakes is too low. What I've come to like is water droplet on the surface, and I like to seem them mostly gone when I return to mist again.
Also the fact that you have knotting down there suggests that the cakes are ready to get rolling, "so just stop fucking up and fruit me right human slave."
I would like a more experienced cultivator to comment on this.
Edited by Machiavelliavore (08/01/15 07:42 AM)
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: tryptkaloids]
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IDK man, your FC may not have enough FAE going on. Misting without having proper FAE =
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: spacechildo]
#22028417 - 08/01/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Some of the most perfect pinsets I've ever gotten came from v-tek containers in unmodified totes. Most of the time it ended in fucked fruits and/or high abort rate, but the pinsets were consistently perfect. Pretty sure his sgfc is drilled to spec, so it's probably going to come down to too much or too little misting. Givien the photos of his cakes after misting, I'm guessing too little.
You are using a spray bottle not a fogger to mist them right? It would take quite some time for a fogger to get it done.
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No, this does not look right...
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22032964 - 08/02/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im misting them by hand. Today, however, I forgot to close the curtains so they got a few hours of almost direct sunlight, got a bit too dry I'm afraid, I've misted and took care of them asap. Looks like a lot more knotting on all of the cakes, but the knots do stay the same size..
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22033082 - 08/02/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well here, a few more pics. Though the more experienced cultivators do seem like they have had enough of this thread, so I guess only time will tell. The deadline day is getting closer and closer now, and these look like they're toast.. 
 
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22034464 - 08/02/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It looks like you have knotting starting on all of those. Again, looks a little dry to me.
When you come back to mist them before you do it, poke them. If they feel dry, you chamber is probably not functioning properly. I would tape up some holes to cut down on the FAE and slow the evaporation on the cakes.
I would like another opinion on this, but if they got sundried, it may be worth a 10minute dunk to rehydrate the surface. It can be difficult to fix such drying with just misting.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
Edited by Machiavelliavore (08/02/15 05:07 PM)
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22035166 - 08/02/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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They look nicely hydrated to me. They're supposed to be shimmering/glistening with no pooled water, like the first 2 pics. Also the verm is supposed to be dark too, like in the 3rd pic. Light color means they're dry.
Also I don't know what to recommend. If I recall it wasn't a sgfc. It was idk what lol
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Mad Season]
#22036335 - 08/03/15 04:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well two of the cakes now have developed what looks to be like a big knot. I can count about 6 of these on both cakes. Not quite sure what to do, If these were pins, shouldn't I already be able to see a brownish head? These knots formed over 24 hours.

It's a "proper" SGFC. Before misting, I touched them, they do feel hydrated from the inside out.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22036346 - 08/03/15 04:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's very close to pinning. Those primordia look good. I bet you'll have pins within the next few days for sure.
Edited by insanemike (08/03/15 04:25 AM)
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike] 1
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DOES NOT DISAPPOINT
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike]
#22036358 - 08/03/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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insanemike said: It's very close to pinning. Those primordia look good. I bet you'll have pins within the next few days for sure.
Aren't they a little too big to be primordia? Well I'll post a picture in 12 hours how they look.
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DOES NOT DISAPPOINT
I think thats the same knot/primordia/pin from the picture that has gotten bigger.
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#22036365 - 08/03/15 04:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hyphal knot= 2 dimentional dot
primordia= 3 dimensional bulb
pin= with visible cap
Atleast that is my interpretation of the visual differences between stages.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike]
#22036378 - 08/03/15 05:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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insanemike said: Hyphal knot= 2 dimentional dot
primordia= 3 dimensional bulb
pin= with visible cap
Atleast that is my interpretation of the visual differences between stages.
Makes sense Well, only time will tell now. Stay tuned : P
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22036452 - 08/03/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well a few hours after my previous pictures, I think one of the primordia is beginning to grow a brown-ish hat :3
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Damn that old iphone 5s can still make some pretty decent pics :P
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22036913 - 08/03/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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the primordia was trying to teach you patience
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: tryptkaloids]
#22040544 - 08/04/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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How is it even possible that it hasn't gotten any bigger over 24 hours :|
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22040967 - 08/04/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Same pin. more than 24h later IMGUR link
One of the pins on the other cake looks weird, another pin looks to have a cracking cap. I'm confused. IMGUR link nr2
EDIT: Looks like shroomery is having some trouble with the pictures, one won't load, and the other says it's been deleted. nice. EDIT2: I've reuploaded the pics a few post down below, because it looks like they fixed it.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22040982 - 08/04/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I cannot see the cracked cap,(no pics available), but sounds like lack of humidity..where weird caps can be only mutants which have their own beauty
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: rolear8]
#22041022 - 08/04/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've uploaded the images to other hosting sites, added links to the post above.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: spacechildo]
#22042513 - 08/04/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: dont do that, you can see how the pics are way too big?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/upload.php?action=upload
Shroomery had a meltdown in regards to uploading pictures. Looks like they fixed it now.

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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22045587 - 08/05/15 01:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well it has been 11 days since they were birthed, and with great disappointment I'm calling it - they're lemons. The only real "pin" has not grown in 72 hours at all, and it's also the only "pin". I only have about a week of free time before I leave the country, so at this point I won't see any fruits. What are my options? Do I burry the cakes and hope that magic mushies will grow in that area in a few years? Should I try to make tea out of the cakes?
Can't even begin to describe how sad I feel, so much effort and love has gone into them..
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22045596 - 08/05/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey swatsqad. Did you use rice? Or is that rice flour like the pf tek calls for?
Hey everyone else. What is the consolidation period? What does consolidation mean in terms of mushroom cultivation?
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: tahoe]
#22045600 - 08/05/15 02:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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tahoe said: Hey swatsqad. Did you use rice? Or is that rice flour like the pf tek calls for?
Hey everyone else. What is the consolidation period? What does consolidation mean in terms of mushroom cultivation?
It was really homemade brown rice flour. The rice was ground up to pieces ranging from super fine to coarse. Now I'm starting to think that the pins aren't getting enough nutrients from the rice that wasn't grounded to fine powder, but what do I know.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22045721 - 08/05/15 04:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll create another post about what to do with the cakes, because everyone has lost interest in this thread :/
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: tahoe]
#22045733 - 08/05/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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tahoe said: Hey swatsqad. Did you use rice? Or is that rice flour like the pf tek calls for?
Hey everyone else. What is the consolidation period? What does consolidation mean in terms of mushroom cultivation?
Well just because the outside of the cake is fully colonized does not mean it's completely colonized throughout. Once the mycelium reaches a biological boundary such as full colonization of the substrate, a chemical signal is sent telling the network that it's time to propagate.
Instead of birthing your cakes before it reaches "actual" full colonization, we opt to allow the mycelium more time to colonize the substrate so that it doesn't lose moisture while sitting in a fruiting chamber that is exposed to less humid air.
We do not consolidate bulk subs because 1) they hold a lot of moisture and 2) the nutrition part of the substrate (grain) has already been colonized.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike]
#22046407 - 08/05/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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My cake took 2 weeks to fruit, so you have no other option to wait, fae, and mist if the cake looks dry
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