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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
    #22003638 - 07/27/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Where are you getting this terrible info? Mist when they aren't glistening wet until they are glistening wet. No pooling water ever. If you keep them hydrated constantly by directly misting, you can have fae to the max. Lowering fae won't do much. I get killer pinsets with proper hydration through misting when needed and having a chamber with max fae. Low fae gives me shit


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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
    #22003649 - 07/27/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They'll fruit when they're ready. All you need to do is mist and fan as needed. There is no set mist and fan schedule just do it when things look like they need it.


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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike]
    #22003830 - 07/27/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I want to try an elaborate setup, where my ultrasonic humidifier would send a breeze of very humid air towards the bottom of the chamber, would that be a good idea? Or is the chance of contamination unnecessarily increased this way?


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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
    #22003848 - 07/27/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How many people who are pros do you see using those? Unless it's a green house, you won't see that stuff. Baby steps. You don't even know what they actually need to fruit. Don't start thinking you can make an automated chamber when you don't even know what they need.


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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Mad Season]
    #22003952 - 07/27/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)


soo this type of setup wouldn't be any good? set on a timer for 30 minutes every 2 hours, fan speed is a bit higher, but the humidity level is lowered a bit (to not lower the temperature too much). The fog isn't heated at all so it falls to the bottom, venting through the holes near the perlite (FAE? getting rid of CO2 at the bottom).
I'm just using common sense here :| Should I just shut the fuck up , mist and fan manually?


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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
    #22003993 - 07/27/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

that is INCREDIBLY  humid.. I don't think that is going to help. a big pinning trigger is evaporation off of the cakes which won't happen if there's no dry air  for the water to go into


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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #22004033 - 07/27/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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that is INCREDIBLY  humid.. I don't think that is going to help. a big pinning trigger is evaporation off of the cakes which won't happen if there's no dry air  for the water to go into




For now I've lowered the humidity level, but still kept the fan speed a bit higher, so I am POSITIVE that it fans out every bit of CO2 every 30 minutes. Until they start pinning or developing knots I have some time to research on how to adjust the humidity in there.
Can't help but feel like this kind of setup + a bit higher aux temperature would be killer.


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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
    #22004146 - 07/27/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You didn't listen to what me or Mike said did you? Humidity isn't important. The more you get is just detrimental. It lowers evaporation rates and increases bacteria/chances of other contams. Instead of trying to work on your humidity, work on your misting. You replace the water that was evaporated with misting. Humidity doesn't do that. Here's a grow done without any fruiting chambers. Pure open air.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21288129

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Humidity is important, but 100% humidity is just ridiculous. It's more like ideal is 65%+.

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:facepalm: well he obviously took a picture of it when he just misted. I'm saying for the whole time it was in fruiting it wasn't misted enough. If it had proper surface hydration/humidity, it'd be pinning on the surface of it. I fruited these guys in literally 1-10% humidity. They just had good surface hydration.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21856836

obviously they're cracked from being dry, but that's because they're subjected to such harsh conditions. A proper sgfc can dip down to 50% relative humidity at times based on the rooms air currents. What truly matters is a constant surface humidity/hydration (replaced with misting) with a lower humidity around it. This with a maximum fae will cause a constant evaporation. Any info from 5 years to now will completely agree with this statement. What matters most is the eyes to know when it needs to be misted or not.


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You don't get it. With 95-100% humidity how will there be evaporation? Just think about it. Just saying a real sgfc is like rarely above 90%. 65-80 normally. This is why they dry out a lot and need misting a lot. This is their principle.

Just read this:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19279962#19279962
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542

Also in Florida it's not constantly 95%-100%. That is actually ridiculously beneficial for bacteria and as said before slows down evaporation. Also the fruits might be a bit wet, but the cakes look like they still need more. Still not even at the right darkness of proper hydration



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Your wrong. They don't.  If they did your substrate would be over saturated. You don't want a fruiting chamber to be at 95-100, the only place you need the rh that high is in the microclimate formed at the substrate surface.

A SGFC should fluctuate between 85-55%  rh. If it jumps from higher to lower than that in a short period of time you will end up with split fruits like the OP of this thread. Thats why I suggested to check his AC as that will interfer with the chambers natural operation.




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Then explain why I've seen RR post that you can't have to high of a humidity in a FC? And how would your sub get over saturated in a 95 % humidity? its not on the perlite so that makes no sense to me. If that were the case people wouldn't need to dunk there cakes  they would only need to raise the humidity to rehydrate there subs.  And why does my SGFC stay at 95? My hydrometer is correct. I'd bet my car on it. And it's a properly made SGFC too just so you know.  Not trying to be a dick I'm serious about the questions. I've literally never seen my FC drop below 93 (besides opening it to mist and fan.




I'm sure he had his reasons at the time he said that but first, he is still human and capable of mistakes, two he has recanted a lot of things he said over the years, and three he knows full well total saturation will prevent evaporation. Maybe you read his post out of context.

Also your sub can easily be oversaturated if the rh is so high that the moisture from the misting people like to do will not evaporate off and are drawn into the substrate.  Happens lots here, it inhibits pinning.

Your hygrometer is most likely not correct, most are garbage and analog ones need to be constantly recalibrated. Thats why few real cultivators use them. If the rh has not dropped to at least 60 when you fan, its not working.

Lets be completely serious here. No monotub holds RH higher than 80. They don't need to. A fruit can grow just fine in 60 RH. Some of the best grows here on the boards were done in open air. The only place the rh needs to be at 95% is right at the substrate surface. Microclimate.






I hope you understand what mushrooms actually need now. Humidity isn't needed like how new people seem to think it is. High humidity increases contamination rates, lowers evaporation rates, and over saturates the cakes. You want to use your eyes to tell when they're happy. A timer and a gauge will never be able to mist when needed. It'll just mist when programmed to. It doesn't know what the surface of the mycelium is like.


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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Mad Season]
    #22004231 - 07/27/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you for the clarification, I'll try to stick to manual misting then, they do seem to dry out a lot, and I struggle to keep them "glazed" with moisture, and not mist directly onto the cakes, cause the chamber is so small, and misting upwards would just make a great big mess, I'll figure something out.

However would this setup I have made still be beneficial for fruiting conditions?


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    #22004249 - 07/27/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can mist directly a foot or so away if you have a super fine mister. You don't want to hit it with any streams of water. Just a blanket of mist.


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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Mad Season]
    #22005111 - 07/27/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



Well I'm trying to keep them as moist as I can.. Hopefully I'll have something interesting tomorrow to post :P

It looks like the mycelium isn't even trying to grab onto the dry verm. Should I be worried that the cakes are half brain dead?


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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad] * 1
    #22005609 - 07/27/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Cakes are dunked. I repeat, cakes are dunked :laugh: No going back now..
They did colonize the shit out of the dry verm layer
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22007964 - 07/28/15 03:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)


Well here they are this morning, I'm not sure what to think of it, maybe those are tiny knots forming? or just the mycelium spreading again..


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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
    #22008014 - 07/28/15 04:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's not uncommon to see fluffing like that after a dunk recovery.  Definitely not knotting for the most part.

You may have two knotts in the middle pic at the bottom of the cake near the out of focus shit.  Can't quite tell.


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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22008153 - 07/28/15 06:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This is one cake about 3 hours later.

Are those fuzzy button like spots normal? Am I just gonna witness the mycelium grow again? :laugh:


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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
    #22008180 - 07/28/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If I'm not mistaken them for water droplets, those look like hyphal knots


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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike]
    #22008199 - 07/28/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

taken without a flash

I'm pretty sure those are just water droplets. I did go out today and bought a quality german made spray bottle, so its now creating a very fine mist.


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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
    #22008426 - 07/28/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have an idea, My RH in the house is actually 85%, so the evaporation and SGFC FAE doesn't seem to be that effective, will that dramatically slow down the growth? can I take the "lid" off of the SGFC?







On a side note. I have two timers, one ultrasonic humidifier with a fan and a dehumidifier, I wonder if...


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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
    #22008452 - 07/28/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

At 85% rh in your grow room, you could fruit those cakes in open air.


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    #22008470 - 07/28/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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At 85% rh in your grow room, you could fruit those cakes in open air.




Well the whole house is at 90% on the first floor to 80/85% on the floor the SGFC is. I'll take the lid off for now, I'm afraid that evaporation never really happens that effectively, and all I can see is the mycelium continues to grow.. It might look like pin formation, but its quite obvious that its too fluffy to be that.  :confused:


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