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swatsqad
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21998979 - 07/26/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cakes are dunked. I repeat, cakes are dunked No going back now.. They did colonize the shit out of the dry verm layer
(door = dry layer)
 
The cakes were quite moist though, and I've read on this forum that a ~4/5 hour dunk should be plenty. What are your opinions about this? The auxiliary humidity and temperature in the room they'll be fruiting is 85% and 22 degrees Celsius.
Edited by swatsqad (07/26/15 10:28 AM)
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21999384 - 07/26/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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the only jar of mine that colonised up to the top of the dry verm was infected with cobweb..
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: tryptkaloids]
#21999399 - 07/26/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: the only jar of mine that colonised up to the top of the dry verm was infected with cobweb..
Well look at the second pic, Its clearly rhizomorphic mycelium, thick and dense ropes. Also the whole room now smells of mushrooms :P
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21999424 - 07/26/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not saying you have cobweb (although it could be hiding out for now, doubtful but possible) the reason is probably because the dry verm wasn't completely dry. there was water to be consumed up there so the myc went for it. i'm just saying I got cobweb for the same reason your dry layer is colonised
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: tryptkaloids]
#21999467 - 07/26/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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hiding cobweb.. real cobweb doesn't hide. It explodes in a hell fire and covers the whole thing until it is fluffier than a dandelion. You most likely had a different mold. Like dactylium. Cobweb is actually pretty rare.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Mad Season]
#21999481 - 07/26/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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then I don't understand the pictures i've seen where cobweb is completly covering a monotub fruit bodies and all.. how did they fruit before cobweb set in?
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Mad Season]
#21999498 - 07/26/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't scare me guys : P I don't think any of the jars were contaminated. also the growth on the dry layer was thick, I had to apply some force to break it off, if it was cobweb, it would disintegrate by just blowing on it.
So back to my original question, dunk time? The cakes are quite sparse in regards to the gaps, because of my BRF tek (trademark?) xD I'd say that about 5/6 hours will be enough. Just want to put them in my bucket shotgun fruiting chamber {BSFT}.. and hope that pinning happens in the next 24 hours.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: tryptkaloids] 1
#21999585 - 07/26/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: then I don't understand the pictures i've seen where cobweb is completly covering a monotub fruit bodies and all.. how did they fruit before cobweb set in?
Because the mycelium was too weak to fight it and stop it from spreading/germinating. Most likely from bacteria, or something else that was weakening it. Once introduced to open air/fruiting, if it is weakened, there's a good chance anything can germinate. Like trich or mycogone. This is what makes clean spawn so important. Once cobby starts, it'll have the whole thing covered in under 24 hours.
Also cobweb spreads by pieces of its mycelium breaking off and going into the air. It doesn't need to germinate because it is mycelium particles. Thus once it starts it'll spread all over to everything in your grow room like a hell storm.
@OP Dunk overnight, or while you're at work, and roll in verm. Not really an exact science
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Mad Season] 1
#21999628 - 07/26/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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thank you! sorry for making you worry OP I was just trying to shed some light on my limited experience
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: tryptkaloids]
#21999655 - 07/26/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nah I'm not worried. I'll be launching my work project tomorrow morning, so will be busy and out of home for a few days I think, so I'll still only dunk them for 4/5 hours, then put them in the chamber, mist the verm layer with water 2 hours later, they're small cakes and I don't expect or need a huge flush anyway. I'll also oven bake the dry verm that I'll be using to roll them in, then put a spoonfull of wet verm on top of the cake to give them that extra bit of moisture. Since the relative humidity is 85% I'm not worried, all the perlite will have to do is raise the humidity by 10/15% anyways.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21999960 - 07/26/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well here they are, rolled.
  That bucket seems to have enough airholes. They are being kept on the first floor, the relative humidity there is about 90%, and temperature about 19 degrees Celsius. I've left a light bulb on about 1 meter above the chamber, and I'll transfer the chamber to the 2nd floor, where the temperature is higher by 3/4 degrees.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22000297 - 07/26/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good that you're using such a small FC for so few cakes, should help. Yeah he got jesus's sperm in the spore syringe. Must be why they call it B+.
You don't want those cakes to dry out while you're away. You should be able to judge how quickly the mist evaporates from the surface to get a sense of how often they need to be misted.
I'd tape up at least half of the holes above the perlite while you're away. I've had nice pinsets off cakes in unmodified totes. You really only need that big FAE once the pins are in IME.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22000336 - 07/26/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Machiavelliavore said: Good that you're using such a small FC for so few cakes, should help. Yeah he got jesus's sperm in the spore syringe. Must be why they call it B+.
You don't want those cakes to dry out while you're away. You should be able to judge how quickly the mist evaporates from the surface to get a sense of how often they need to be misted.
I'd tape up at least half of the holes above the perlite while you're away. I've had nice pinsets off cakes in unmodified totes. You really only need that big FAE once the pins are in IME.
Well I'll have a person misting them once every 3/4 hours if I'll be away.
What if pins start to appear tomorrow? That would definitely indicate that these are the offspring of Jesus and Chuck Norris.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad] 1
#22000381 - 07/26/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The solution to the problem is adding more human labor. Such eastern block thinking... 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the tree of life is about to explode off that cake. Probably come back after 4 days to a pound of shrooms per cake that taught your slave labor how to grow another generation.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22000407 - 07/26/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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then I don't understand the pictures i've seen where cobweb is completly covering a monotub fruit bodies and all.. how did they fruit before cobweb set in?
Unfortunately people refer to a lot of different molds as cobweb so it's hard to generalize about it. I've seen Dactylium, Aspergillus, Mucor, Rhizopus, even Trichoderma mycelium referred to as cobweb mold.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#22000420 - 07/26/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Machiavelliavore said: The solution to the problem is adding more human labor. Such eastern block thinking... 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the tree of life is about to explode off that cake. Probably come back after 4 days to a pound of shrooms per cake that taught your slave labor how to grow another generation.
WELL THEN. Why is this so fucking funny xD
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swatsqad
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22002699 - 07/27/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, can't see any pins yet :P I guess this is the part where I catch up with the "standard schedule".
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swatsqad
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22003550 - 07/27/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well I have a few questions today, since no early signs of growth are appearing. Do I have to lower my FAE to initiate knot forming? And by not misting directly onto the cakes, how am I supposed to mist them? mist just the sides of the fruiting chamber? here's how they look now.

The money shot
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#22003587 - 07/27/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mist the cakes.You want evaporation from the cake, not from the grow chamber walls. Do not spray them with a direct mist, spray at an upward angle and let the mist fall onto the cakes. Then fan immediately after misting.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike]
#22003620 - 07/27/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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insanemike said: Mist the cakes.You want evaporation from the cake, not from the grow chamber walls. Do not spray them with a direct mist, spray at an upward angle and let the mist fall onto the cakes. Then fan immediately after misting.
is misting and fanning once every 2/3 hours enough? Also I've heard that to initiate the fruiting, I could close off some of the airholes?
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