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swatsqad
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21988385 - 07/24/15 02:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Machiavelliavore said: I think your results owe in part to your poorly ground rice flour. I believe this allowed the mycellium to move through the substrate which much greater ease due to the increase in empty space, but the rice that did grind up finely provided constant nutrition and encouragement for growth.
Some people claim whole rice grains contain no bacterial endospores, others claim they do, so that is the risk factor of not using fully ground flour when steaming. You may have stumbled into the best PF tek method for people with pressure cookers.
I see no reason to freak and birth them. Give'm a couple days to consolidate their grip on the nutrition. Violet, a very smart cultivator who uses a lot of whole brown rice, says that rice requires a lengthier consolidation to yield its potential.
Re: Dunking vs Not Dunk: Greater yield is pretty much assured No Dunk: Possibly faster pinset
You're really so far ahead of the curve it doesn't matter. I think there's a good chance you'll have fruits by the 8th, almost certainly by the 15th.
That could be it! I basically grounded the rice in two different consistencies, 50% of the rice was fine powder and the other half was just barely crushed up to break the rice in 2/3 pieces. Vermiculate used was quite fine at 2mm. 4 inoculation points, about 1cc per jar, B+ spores. Also I used 99% isopropyl alcohol, and I wiped almost everything with it. I used a simple pot with a glass lid with a hole in it (pressure release valve), steamed for 100 minutes (keep in mind that no real pressure was building up). Left to cool for 1 hour, then cooled in a cold water pot for an hour and then inoculated. Left the foil on for 48 hours, after the first signs of mycelium growth I've removed the foil tops and kept the lids on.
I Will dunk them in 4 days, but only for about 12 hours.
Edited by swatsqad (07/24/15 02:37 AM)
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Machiavelliavore
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21988398 - 07/24/15 02:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Still gotta be some pretty baller genetics to germinate in two days and destroy that sub in a week.

Gonna throw a couple cakes using a 4:1:1:2 verm, hydrated brown rice, rye flour, water concoction next PC run. See if it really does wreck hard with any culture.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
Edited by Machiavelliavore (07/24/15 02:42 AM)
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swatsqad
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21988423 - 07/24/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Try making the brf yourself by grounding up 2 different batches, ultra fine and ultra coarse. Also I'm not sure how rye would effect a grow.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21988467 - 07/24/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd try your authentic method, but I don't wanna dull my coffee grinder. Rye flour should simulate the fine component well enough, rice for the rough. I think it's probably way more about the texture than the grain.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21988609 - 07/24/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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8 days. good job!
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swatsqad
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: eatyualive]
#21998371 - 07/26/15 03:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well here is a status update : Jars 1 2 and 3 look identically colonized, can't see any contams in any of them.


 However water condensation did look like it was starting to pool a little bit at the bottom. I have taken the lids off (to encourage fae and remove some of the moisture built up), today is ~day 3 of colonization. I am thinking to start the dunk either tonight or tomorrow. The mycelium has penetrated the dry verm barrier and I would think it is trying to get out of the jar 
 They smell super mushroomey, maybe a little bit on the sour side, but definitely a strong mushroom smell.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21998377 - 07/26/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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By removing the lids you have basically initiated fruiting conditions, albeit poor fruiting conditions.
Either put the lids on and wait, or dunk'm now. You don't wanna dunk after pin formation (afaik = waterlogged shitty pins.) I've never used a verm top layer, but I think that kind of aggression towards dry verm suggests they're probably ready to dunk.
Also not sure where this condensation is bad thing came from. I've never heard it nor had a problem with it.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
Edited by Machiavelliavore (07/26/15 03:49 AM)
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21998380 - 07/26/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Machiavelliavore said: By removing the lids you have basically initiated fruiting conditions, albeit poor fruiting conditions.
Either put the lids on and wait, or dunk'm now. You don't wanna dunk after pin formation (afaik = waterlogged shitty pins.) I've never used a verm top layer, but I think that kind of aggression towards dry verm suggests they're probably ready to dunk.
Also not sure where this condensation is bad thing came from. I've never heard it nor had a problem with it.
Sounds reasonable, I'll put on some foil on top and just give them that extra few hours for consolidation. Although I too believe that when its climbing out of the jar, that would indicate that its done. Anyone else care to input?
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21998416 - 07/26/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The surface mycellium can dry out within a couple hours. Yeah dude, that variety is so agro, it's pretty incredible.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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swatsqad
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21998423 - 07/26/15 04:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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for how long should I dunk them? Or should I skip the dunk entirely? I'm pretty sure I'll make it to the second flush to dunk then.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21998459 - 07/26/15 05:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Like you said earlier 12 hours should be fine, especially since they're so new.
It's not that it won't make it to the second flush, it's that the first dunk increases your water capacity for a bigger first flush. Given that you are so far ahead of schedule, I'd just go ahead and dunk or let'm consolidate n dunk later. It's really early, but nothing about your grow has stuck to the standard time table. The dunk should wash of all that condensation right?
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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swatsqad
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21998497 - 07/26/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'll dunk them tonight before midnight and roll them tomorrow afternoon. Now I'm off to buy myself a plastic box :p
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swatsqad
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21998541 - 07/26/15 06:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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 I need an answer asap because im at the shop now. do you think any of these would work? both are 11l capacity, I would use a plastic wrap lid
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21998596 - 07/26/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Buy a sterlite tub
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swatsqad
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike]
#21998661 - 07/26/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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insanemike said: Buy a sterlite tub
um. What the f is a sterlite tub? The best thing in my country that I can find is probably that stupid plastic bucket. Brand name plastic containers should be bought only online, and I don't even want to invest into them, since they'll go to the bin after this 3 jar flush. I bought the plastic bucket, its 30cm / 12 inches tall, and has enough room for 3 of my jars.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21998703 - 07/26/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dunk and roll, nice cakes!
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swatsqad
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: kiksen]
#21998722 - 07/26/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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My perlite is also 2mm in diameter, so I'll have to drill a metric shit ton of holes on the bottom with a small drill bit. I'll keep updating this thread with pics hang on for an hour or so.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21998745 - 07/26/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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swatsqad said:
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insanemike said: Buy a sterlite tub
um. What the f is a sterlite tub? The best thing in my country that I can find is probably that stupid plastic bucket. Brand name plastic containers should be bought only online, and I don't even want to invest into them, since they'll go to the bin after this 3 jar flush. I bought the plastic bucket, its 30cm / 12 inches tall, and has enough room for 3 of my jars.
sorry, mang. I seem to always forget that there is such a diverse population on this website.
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swatsqad
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: insanemike]
#21998753 - 07/26/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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insanemike said:
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swatsqad said:
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insanemike said: Buy a sterlite tub
um. What the f is a sterlite tub? The best thing in my country that I can find is probably that stupid plastic bucket. Brand name plastic containers should be bought only online, and I don't even want to invest into them, since they'll go to the bin after this 3 jar flush. I bought the plastic bucket, its 30cm / 12 inches tall, and has enough room for 3 of my jars.
sorry, mang. I seem to always forget that there is such a diverse population on this website.
Yeah, I live in a post soviet union country, currently we're in the Euro zone, but still I can smell the Russians in the air here. Plastic bucket power.
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Re: Full colonization in 8 days? time lapse pics [Re: swatsqad]
#21998817 - 07/26/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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is this looking good enough?
 
Next I'll probably just go ahead and dunk those puppies. 1) take the cakes out of the jars carefully 2) wash the cakes under lukewarm tap water, wash off the dry verm that has started to colonize too 3) dunk the cakes in a pot and weight them down, for up to 12 hours. My tap water is really clean, and AFAIK has virtually no chlorine. I'll clean everything with 99% isopropyl alcohol, the pot I'll dunk them in, and the fruiting bucket.
Edited by swatsqad (07/26/15 08:22 AM)
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