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police murdering citizens
    #21984530 - 07/23/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/us/texas-sandra-bland-jail-death-explain/

Have you ever seen a suicide in which a person used a plastic bag to asphyxiate themselves?

I'm no expert on murders or suicides, so I don't know if this is something that happens very often, but to me it s

Seems to be a difficult way to commit suicide.

Every time I've been in county jail they never gave us plastic bags for anything, ever, but that may just be my state.

She may have killed herself, I can't say, but if the cops really did murder I hope they are caught. I've seen people in a struggle put plastic bags over people's heads to murder them, this happens...but for a suicide it seems odd to me, but then again, I don't know very much about suicides.

I don't see how the tape of her being pulled over is relevant, but, damn, over a lane change without signal the cop is saying "I'm going to light you up" to her, meaning I'll shoot you, that's so fucked up how police at allowed to treat people...


Like in the link below, if I said "I'm going to shoot you, you will be dead!" With a gun pointed at somebody (maybe without even the gun) I would be charged with felony menacing or attempted murder, yet the police can treat you like this over a l
Minor traffic offense...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/22/us/bridgeton-police-shooting/

Listen to the cop in the link above, he takes a gun from the passenger then starts yelling I'm going to shoot you, your going to be dead! come on! You'll be dead!" He says this to an unarmed man several times, then kills him, it sounds like he was ready to kill this man and the fact that the man was unarmed with his hands up was not going to stop him...

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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21984569 - 07/23/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Local and state police seem more abusive of power than federal police.

We should have abolished local and state gov and grew as a federal gov alone nation.


Edited by Lived_1978-2043 (07/23/15 12:42 PM)


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
    #21984953 - 07/23/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The county where this happened is notoriously corrupt


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21984980 - 07/23/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think in general a person usually has to sedate themselves to kill themselves with a plastic bag because instinct will kick in even as you lose consciousness and you'll probably rip it off.  It's kinda like drowning yourself in a sink.  You'd really have to have nerves of steel in order to go through with it.

I've heard of it done a couple times,in one case in a documentary about euthenasia, but I think they are usually sedated first.

edit- oh nvm she used the bag to hang herself, I was thinking she put it over her head.  Yeah that's possible if the bag's strong enough, but even if she did kill herself there's got to be more to this story.


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Lived_1978-2043] * 2
    #21985004 - 07/23/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Local and state police seem more abusive of power than federal police.

We should have abolished local and state gov and grew as a federal gov alone nation.


Man you're really rolling out the dumb statements today. :feelsbadman:


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #21985038 - 07/23/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

She was already suicidal and stupidly used the "I know my rights" nonsense to get herself in jail in the first place, totally ignorant person.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/23/dashboard-video-shows-how-sandra-bland-traffic-stop-escalated/



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    #21985042 - 07/23/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

We should have maintained a model where the chief of police is elected rather than appointed, like other government officials.  People have just grown too comfortable with a government that operates like a business independent of the populace, and it seems like things will get worse before they get better as there is definitely an element of society that thinks wealth and power should be able to supersede democracy. 

It's funny because they're the ones who will bang the liberty and freedom drums the hardest, but when it comes down to it they're talking about their freedom to unfairly fuck other people over.


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
    #21985043 - 07/23/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Local and state police seem more abusive of power than federal police.

We should have abolished local and state gov and grew as a federal gov alone nation.





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    #21985126 - 07/23/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
    #21985278 - 07/23/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Local and state police seem more abusive of power than federal police.

We should have abolished local and state gov and grew as a federal gov alone nation.




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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21985508 - 07/23/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think in general a person usually has to sedate themselves to kill themselves with a plastic bag because instinct will kick in even as you lose consciousness and you'll probably rip it off.  It's kinda like drowning yourself in a sink.  You'd really have to have nerves of steel in order to go through with it.

I've heard of it done a couple times,in one case in a documentary about euthenasia, but I think they are usually sedated first.

edit- oh nvm she used the bag to hang herself, I was thinking she put it over her head.  Yeah that's possible if the bag's strong enough, but even if she did kill herself there's got to be more to this story.




Nope, that's it.

P.S. Your first sentence is dumb as hell. Unless you hold a medical degree, then I might put stock in your opinion


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21985563 - 07/23/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/us/texas-sandra-bland-jail-death-explain/

Have you ever seen a suicide in which a person used a plastic bag to asphyxiate themselves?

I'm no expert on murders or suicides, so I don't know if this is something that happens very often, but to me it s

Seems to be a difficult way to commit suicide.

Every time I've been in county jail they never gave us plastic bags for anything, ever, but that may just be my state.




1) The officer knows the entire ordeal where he basically slams a woman for no reason was all caught on tape. He would have been on his best behavior so as not to get into more trouble than he already was.

2) Why would a police officer murder an inmate and try to cover it up. That's insane.

3) The girl was a mean angry suicidal psycho with an attitude.

4) When I was in county jail the guys there would ask for a garbage bag and the deps would provide. They had some food concoction consisting of pickles, cheese, and I can't remember it was so long ago but it was like 5 or 6 different things...They mixed it in the bag and it was actually delicious.

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    #21985730 - 07/23/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
I think in general a person usually has to sedate themselves to kill themselves with a plastic bag because instinct will kick in even as you lose consciousness and you'll probably rip it off.  It's kinda like drowning yourself in a sink.  You'd really have to have nerves of steel in order to go through with it.

I've heard of it done a couple times,in one case in a documentary about euthenasia, but I think they are usually sedated first.

edit- oh nvm she used the bag to hang herself, I was thinking she put it over her head.  Yeah that's possible if the bag's strong enough, but even if she did kill herself there's got to be more to this story.




Nope, that's it.

P.S. Your first sentence is dumb as hell. Unless you hold a medical degree, then I might put stock in your opinion




I have a doctorate in applied suicide sciences.  I've heard lots of accounts of people doing this and similar things in suicide attempts.  It's not a sure thing at all because you can easily rip through a bag when you start freaking out, which you almost certainly will if you're not sedated.


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #21985776 - 07/23/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
I think in general a person usually has to sedate themselves to kill themselves with a plastic bag because instinct will kick in even as you lose consciousness and you'll probably rip it off.  It's kinda like drowning yourself in a sink.  You'd really have to have nerves of steel in order to go through with it.

I've heard of it done a couple times,in one case in a documentary about euthenasia, but I think they are usually sedated first.

edit- oh nvm she used the bag to hang herself, I was thinking she put it over her head.  Yeah that's possible if the bag's strong enough, but even if she did kill herself there's got to be more to this story.




Nope, that's it.

P.S. Your first sentence is dumb as hell. Unless you hold a medical degree, then I might put stock in your opinion




I have a doctorate in applied suicide sciences.  I've heard lots of accounts of people doing this and similar things in suicide attempts.  It's not a sure thing at all because you can easily rip through a bag when you start freaking out, which you almost certainly will if you're not sedated.




So you do have a degree in a related field, but still failed to articulate it accurately?

Stick to race relations :thumbup:


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: myc_check1212]
    #21985794 - 07/23/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Articulate what?  I was answering:

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Have you ever seen a suicide in which a person used a plastic bag to asphyxiate themselves?




and I was under the impression that the scenario was the bag was being put over the head not the bag was used as a crude rope for a hanging.  I feel like that is a pretty reasonable misunderstanding.  OP went on to talk about people killing themselves like this, and how it is unlikely, but in the article it says she hung herself which is more likely because you'd have to have the coordination to overcome your own body weight which is going to be alot less likely than ripping thin plastic in a semi-conscious state of panic.


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    #21985820 - 07/23/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

" I think in general"

You have the degree, is it an opinion or statistics?


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    #21985856 - 07/23/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's an opinion.  I don't know why you're taking this so seriously, and I don't see why you're so eager to prove I'm not an authority here.  It's not something I'm prepared to back up with evidence because I think it is obvious, and at this point irrelevant. 

None of us really have all the specifics of this case, I was more just making a statement about the feasibility of killing yourself by putting a plastic bag over the head, because it was brought up and I enjoy critical thinking.  I don't need a doctor to tell me things that I can deduce myself.


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21985877 - 07/23/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Cops are not evil.
There's no reason to fear cops unless you are resisting arrest or verbally assaulting them. 99 percent of police brutality claims are because someone ignores the law then refuses to comply. They don't want to risk their own safety by treating everyone with kids gloves.
Drop your pride. Spouting sovereign citizen nonsense is an awful idea. Your individual protests are meaningless. Don't say anything you don't have to.  Do not incriminate yourself. If the cop did something wrong fight it in court.   
Realizing how high the stakes are when dealing with the law,
treat them with all the kindness you can muster, It could save you a lot of time. Comply and there is little to fear.
It really is that simple.


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    #21986020 - 07/23/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe not evil, but there are plenty out there that are criminals themselves who are not held accountable to the same standard, and plenty of evidence that they target certain demographics as well as evidence that courts also disproportionately favor police and target certain minorities.

You may not like that some people have their own ideas about government and what it means to be a citizen, but everyone has rights and in my mind deserves basic respect as a human being.

Hardly anyone fucks with cops, and it's true if you just take your tickets and don't speak up they will let you go about your business, but I think it is ridiculous to discount all the accounts people have of instances where police show a complete lack of integrity and respect and where one of us would probably get smacked in the face and stomped into the ground if we treated a police like that, when they do it to us it is 'oh they could have been a criminal and I was just doing my job'. 

How many times have policed overlooked this lack of integrity because of the supposed brotherhood they have?  Like racism, it is one of those things that everyone knows about, but when it comes to acknowledging it the tendency is for other people who are scared to speak up say 'hey lets just go about our lives because that's easier'.  If you cannot see how that attitude is dangerous, and how many times in history human dignity has been trampled because people were too afraid to unite against a bully, I don't think you deserve to call yourself an American. 

The principle that police should be held accountable like any other person is an important one, and I think it should be at the core of police policy and training.  It is totally naive and ignorant to think that if we just leave police to themselves, they will figure out what is best for us.  Everyone should have a say in this, and the fact that if you voice certain opinions to police it will cause them to treat you differently should be telling to you that there is a problem.

When I see a free-citizen or whatever stick to his guns and the police end up leaving him alone, I think that is great.  Sure, it is a cheap tactic filled with rhetoric that can be completely obnoxious, but that is a fitting response to me for a cop to come up and insist that he is not harassing you, and doesn't have probably cause to detain you or preform a search, and yet still will not leave you the fuck alone.  Their tactics suck too.

I think other than dumb kids and people who have been completely traumatized be police nobody really hates police, they just hate being harassed by police and having police who abuse the community and take advantage of their authority remain in positions of power.


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Lived_1978-2043] * 1
    #21993760 - 07/25/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Local and state police seem more abusive of power than federal police.

We should have abolished local and state gov and grew as a federal gov alone nation.





I feel the EXACT oppisite

I feel all local communities should be autonomous and self governing.

If the people can't govern their own communities they will loose all their voice in the way their community is governed...you will be living the life the feds want you to live, not a life based on the needs and preferences of your community.

.and if the people vote on a law, no federal force should be able to do anything about it...

I live in Denver, we voted to legalize marijuana, yet the feds are furious and always finding some snake like way to intervene, plus we are being sued by neighboring states...honestly, as far as I'm concerned the feds and those states can go fuck themselves, we voted, we used the system in the proper manor, we deserve our freedom.

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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21993765 - 07/25/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think in general a person usually has to sedate themselves to kill themselves with a plastic bag because instinct will kick in even as you lose consciousness and you'll probably rip it off.  It's kinda like drowning yourself in a sink.  You'd really have to have nerves of steel in order to go through with it.

I've heard of it done a couple times,in one case in a documentary about euthenasia, but I think they are usually sedated first.

edit- oh nvm she used the bag to hang herself, I was thinking she put it over her head.  Yeah that's possible if the bag's strong enough, but even if she did kill herself there's got to be more to this story.




Oh...I was under the impression she suffocated.

Where did she get this bag?
In the county jail in my state lunch is in paper bags in holding, and the trash cans don't have bags and even have holes in the bottom to prevent people from making booze or body fluid cocktails in them...

Even if this was a legitimate suicide, people die in jail at the hands of police daily...just nobody ever hears about it.

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    #21993768 - 07/25/15 05:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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She was already suicidal and stupidly used the "I know my rights" nonsense to get herself in jail in the first place, totally ignorant person.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/23/dashboard-video-shows-how-sandra-bland-traffic-stop-escalated/







This scares me though, I knew this girl who lived by my house, would cut herself for stress relief, now, say she goes into jail and the cops kill her, then the police can say "the person was suicidal" and get away with murder....

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    #21993787 - 07/25/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/us/texas-sandra-bland-jail-death-explain/

Have you ever seen a suicide in which a person used a plastic bag to asphyxiate themselves?

I'm no expert on murders or suicides, so I don't know if this is something that happens very often, but to me it s

Seems to be a difficult way to commit suicide.

Every time I've been in county jail they never gave us plastic bags for anything, ever, but that may just be my state.




1) The officer knows the entire ordeal where he basically slams a woman for no reason was all caught on tape. He would have been on his best behavior so as not to get into more trouble than he already was.

2) Why would a police officer murder an inmate and try to cover it up. That's insane.

3) The girl was a mean angry suicidal psycho with an attitude.

4) When I was in county jail the guys there would ask for a garbage bag and the deps would provide. They had some food concoction consisting of pickles, cheese, and I can't remember it was so long ago but it was like 5 or 6 different things...They mixed it in the bag and it was actually delicious.


5) See #2





In this case it may have been a legitimate suicide...

But the cops will get into struggles and kill inmates all the time, then they cover it up or it looks bad...

The food your talking about is called a "spread" it's ramen noodles, flaming hot cheetos, Doritos chips, beef jerky, etc..mixed in a bag with warm or hot water adds and it's rolled in a burrito shape...

You only get bags like that in minimum in my state, and all intakes are considered max until they determine your cell score and place you...

... plus when they won't give you real plastic bags you can make spreads in Doritos bags.

Others states may be different though...

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    #21993817 - 07/25/15 06:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Confucian said:... The officer knows the entire ordeal where he basically slams a woman for no reason was all caught on tape...



Um, "allegedly failing to use a turn signal" is serious biz in Texas, especially if you're a ............... :smirk:
That cop sure was angry though... :supercrankey:

Also, cops usually told me to stay in the car any time I've been pulled over for a moving violation...:shrug:
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    #21994555 - 07/25/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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She was already suicidal and stupidly used the "I know my rights" nonsense to get herself in jail in the first place, totally ignorant person.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/23/dashboard-video-shows-how-sandra-bland-traffic-stop-escalated/







This scares me though, I knew this girl who lived by my house, would cut herself for stress relief, now, say she goes into jail and the cops kill her, then the police can say "the person was suicidal" and get away with murder....

-E. Borodin




Yeah, cops are into killing people in a jail cell.  :flowstone:  This case has already been ruled a suicide.


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    #21994618 - 07/25/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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She was already suicidal and stupidly used the "I know my rights" nonsense to get herself in jail in the first place, totally ignorant person.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/23/dashboard-video-shows-how-sandra-bland-traffic-stop-escalated/







This scares me though, I knew this girl who lived by my house, would cut herself for stress relief, now, say she goes into jail and the cops kill her, then the police can say "the person was suicidal" and get away with murder....

-E. Borodin





so you believe that actual suicides are murder by the cops


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    #21994627 - 07/25/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Confucian said:... The officer knows the entire ordeal where he basically slams a woman for no reason was all caught on tape...



Um, "allegedly failing to use a turn signal" is serious biz in Texas, especially if you're a ............... :smirk:
That cop sure was angry though... :supercrankey:

Also, cops usually told me to stay in the car any time I've been pulled over for a moving violation...:shrug:
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good to see you can still twist the actual facts

cop was giving out warnings and the bitch got lippy and combative over a few
simple requests such as 'could you put your cigarette out', yeah, that's so
abusive and angry. cop didnt ask her to get out until she decided to flex  some
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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21994720 - 07/25/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think in general a person usually has to sedate themselves to kill themselves with a plastic bag because instinct will kick in even as you lose consciousness and you'll probably rip it off.

She didn't try to asphyxiate herself with the bag. She hanged herself with it.


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    #21994937 - 07/25/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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:Prisoner1: said;... cop didnt ask her to get out until she decided to flex  some
rights that she didnt have...


lol...Which rights?
:smoker: during a routine racial profiling:smirk: traffic stop for improper lane change?

Cops have never asked me to put out my cigarette during a traffic stop,
unless it was a dui checkpoint...

http://www.texasstandard.org/shows/current/10-things-about-the-sandra-bland-traffic-stop-every-texan-should-know/
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Questions, in the wake of the video: What are the rules? Not policies or politeness –  specifically, what are your rights when you’re pulled over by police?

Jim Harrington, director of the Texas Civil Rights Project, speaks with Texas Standard about the footage of the arrest, point-by-point. Here’s a transcript of the conversation, edited for brevity and clarity:

The trooper asks, “You mind putting out your cigarette please?” And Ms. Bland says, “Well, I’m in my car – why do I have to put out my cigarette?” Does she have to put out her cigarette?

“No, she doesn’t
have to put out her cigarette. And you wonder why the officer is even bothering with that.
This is part of his escalation of the whole event that unfolded, unfortunately.

The next part: “Step out of the car.” Ms. Bland says, “You do not have the right.” He interrupts – “I do have the right, step out of the car or I will remove you.” Does he have the right, first, to order her to step out of the car, and second, to actually physically remove her from the car?

He does not have the right to say get out of the car. He has to express some reason. ‘I need to search your car,’ or, whatever; he needs to give a reason. He can’t just say ‘get out of the car’ for a traffic offense.”

It’s one thing to say he has a reason; it’s another to say he has to give a reason. He may have had probable cause, or thought he had it, we don’t know. Does he have to state it?

“He doesn’t have to state probable cause; he has to state some reason … And that’s part of the training that he should have had about how to de-escalate a situation. She’s clearly upset about what happened, particularly – as we know later on – that she moved over because he was tailing her. … He should be working on de-escalation. That’s the key. ”

Ms. Bland says, I refuse to talk to you other than to identify myself.” Is she right or wrong?

“She’s right. Unfortunately, officers don’t like it when you know the law.
In this case, even if you are right, you are still in danger. And that’s what we see unfolding here.”

The trooper says, “I am giving you a lawful order.” Now, is the is the lawful order to extinguish the cigarette, or to get out of the car, or neither?

“You can’t tell why. Certainly, telling her to put out the cig was not a lawful order. Just saying ‘Get out of the car,’ in and of itself, without an explanation, is not lawful. And you see him say that throughout the video without ever saying why [or] what’s going on here. It’s clear to me that he’s trying to assert authority that he probably does not have under the law, and he’s escalating the situation because he is upset. [He] doesn’t exercise the training that he needs to be exercising to de-escalate this situation.”

“I’m gonna yank you out of here,” is what the trooper says. Can he physically “yank” her out of her vehicle?

“He can’t do that either, unless she’s posing a threat to his welfare and safety. What he should have done was just wait for backup
, if he couldn’t de-escalate it himself. But you don’t just pull somebody out of the car, and point that taser in her face. What if it had gone off? She’d have permanent brain damage.”

She says, “Dont touch me, I’m not under arrest.” Trooper says, “You are under arrest. She says, “Under arrest for what?” He then turns to his shoulder mounted radio, and asks for another unit. Does he have an obligation as a law enforcement officer to tell her why she is under arrest?

“Yes. He needs to – it’s not clear to her what’s going on. He needs to tell her, ‘You’re under arrest because …,’ but you can’t really tell her that. Because you can’t tell from the video that there’s any reason to have her under arrest.

She asserts her right to record this with her cell phone. That’s a right that has been clearly established. Is that true?

“She has a right to do that. But that’s another example where the officer perceives this as a challenge to his authority – and it further escalates the whole scenario.”

When he says “get out of the car, or I will light you up,” he is apparently referring to the use of a taser. Is that a legitimate threat? Is that something that’s okay for officers to do in that situation?

“No – here’s the situation where he is clearly violating her constitutional rights. This is excessive force on the part of the officer – to take that taser and point it in her face and say, ‘I’m going to harm you.’ Taser is the last recourse to a gun. And if he can’t get her out, he can’t de-escalate it, he’s got to wait for another officer to come and talk through this.”

Right now, the trooper has been placed on administrative duty. He’s not on leave, he’s still working for DPS. It’s our understanding that there is a violation of policy here – he should not have allowed it to escalate.

We are talking about a certain level of discretion that the state apparently entrusts with its troopers. Should officers have that much discretion?





Kids, let this be a lesson. Use your directional indicators
and don't smoke during traffic stops.:paranoid:
Good thing she wasn't vaping. Who knows what :angryguy: would do.

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    #21995112 - 07/25/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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vinsue said:
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:Prisoner1: said;... cop didnt ask her to get out until she decided to flex  some
rights that she didnt have...


lol...Which rights?
:smoker: during a routine racial profiling:smirk: traffic stop for improper lane change?

Cops have never asked me to put out my cigarette during a traffic stop,
unless it was a dui checkpoint...




so then cops have asked you to put your cigarette out



Quote:

The trooper asks, “You mind putting out your cigarette please?” And Ms. Bland says, “Well, I’m in my car – why do I have to put out my cigarette?” Does she have to put out her cigarette?

“No, she doesn’t
have to put out her cigarette. And you wonder why the officer is even bothering with that.






you know, he is right, she didnt have to put the cigarette out, just like all
those dumbasses that get shot by the cops dont have to put down their weapons
or dont have to stop resisting arrest or dont have to stop trying to kill other
people... but hey, it's that same kind of retarded behavior that ends with them
getting killed

now, once more. the cop made a simple request, it can be seen as a point of
safety since she already appeared to be in an agitated mood because a cop
pulled her over *gasp, must be racial profiling since blacks never use turn
signals*, now the right she didnt have was to tell the cop to fuck off when he
said 'step out of the vehicle'


imagine how things would have gone if this woman had:

1. used a turn signal
2. not decided to be a cut to the cop
3. simply put her cigarette out
4. not argued and fought with the cop about getting out of the car


yes, then she could have gone home and hanged herself in private and no one
would fucking care because she was just a different statistic at that point


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21995212 - 07/25/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

imagine how things would have gone if this woman had:

1. used a turn signal
2. not decided to be a cut to the cop
3. simply put her cigarette out
4. not argued and fought with the cop about getting out of the car


I don't agree with you here at all.

The ONLY thing this woman did that is arguably illegal and therefore actionable by the cop is not signalling. The rest is just her bad attitude. Bad attitude is not against the law in the United States. On the contrary: it is protected by the constitution. If this were not the case, our justice system would be clogged with arrogant police officers charged with attitude crimes.

The only point here worth considering, IMO, is that the woman was a civilian entitled by the constitution to exhibit bad attitude if she damn well felt like it, and the cop is a professional sworn officer on the public payroll whose behavior MUST be held to the higher standard that comes with the job.

If a cop doesn't have the emotional maturity to deescalate threats to his ego by law-abiding citizens, he needs to grow up or find another job.

now, once more. the cop made a simple request, it can be seen as a point of
safety


Total bullshit. A woman in a car with a lit cigarette is zero threat to an armed police officer standing outside and slightly behind her driver window.

Besides, I expect a seasoned police officer to understand that when people get nervous as during a confrontation with police, they often reach for a cigarette to cope. This is normal, natural, and most importantly, LEGAL.


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Diploid]
    #21995281 - 07/25/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

Diploid said:
imagine how things would have gone if this woman had:

1. used a turn signal
2. not decided to be a cut to the cop
3. simply put her cigarette out
4. not argued and fought with the cop about getting out of the car





I don't agree with you here at all.

The ONLY thing this woman did that is arguably illegal and therefore actionable by the cop is not signalling. The rest is just her bad attitude. Bad attitude is not against the law in the United States. On the contrary: it is protected by the constitution. If this were not the case, our justice system would be clogged with arrogant police officers charged with attitude crimes.




it doesnt matter if you agree with me or not, these are all factors that
initiated the police encounter and escalated it to the point of her arrest

the cop asking her to put her cigarette out is in fact an issue of concern for
the officer who saw that she was agitated more than would be normal for most
minor traffic stops. he asked about her state of mind which evidences this and
her response gave him reason to suspect she could snap at any moment and flick
the cigarette at him, hence it is an issue of the cop's safety

the cop did not kill this woman, she killed her self, something she had
apparently attempted to do a few months before as well

Quote:

The only point here worth considering, IMO, is that the woman was a civilian entitled by the constitution to exhibit bad attitude if she damn well felt like it, and the cop is a professional sworn officer on the public payroll whose behavior MUST be held to the higher standard that comes with the job.




so tell us how this cop was not within his rights to ask her to step out of the
car or to ask her to extinguish her cigarette. sure, she had the right to have
a bad attitude but what the cop did was certainly within his rights as a cop



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now, once more. the cop made a simple request, it can be seen as a point of
safety


Total bullshit. A woman in a car with a lit cigarette is zero threat to an armed police officer standing outside and slightly behind her driver window.




one flick is all it takes to put the officer in danger, he could step into
traffic to try and avoid being burned or he could opt to be burned, I can tell
you for a fact that cigarettes can be used as weapons, I've used them and I've
had them used against me, catching one in the eye sucks pretty bad


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    #21995305 - 07/25/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The law is very simple. The officer clearly told her I am ORDERING you to step out of the car. When someone enters the realm of resisting it puts the cop in a very precarious position. You don't want to give this person too much time to sit there and think about what they are going to do next. He doesn't know what weapons she might have in there. As for people who claims racism is present,
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    #21995467 - 07/25/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

it doesnt matter if you agree with me or not, these are all factors that
initiated the police encounter and escalated it to the point of her arrest


That's true. It's also irrelevant because police officers MUST tolerate being irritated by otherwise law-abiding citizens. They are empowered and given guns for fuck's sake. If we're going to allow them to break their department's codified policies and let emotions dictate their professional behavior because they "got irritated" by some bad attitude, then we have lost the rule of law.

the cop asking her to put her cigarette out is in fact an issue of concern for
the officer who saw that she was agitated more than would be normal for most


All the more reason why an emotionally-mature cop would leave her alone to legally smoke her calming cigarette INSIDE HER CAR where she was a threat to no one. The physical confrontation that comes with forcibly removing her from the car is a FAR greater risk to the cop than some hypothetical risk of her flicking a cigarette out her window.

This is beyond obvious to me.

flick the cigarette at him

/facepalm

A woman who has made no aggressive moves, answered every question, and complied with every lawful order given so far is no threat to an armed police officer with backup on the way and standing at an oblique angle from the suspect's driver window as police are trained to do to minimize exactly the risk you mention.

You are reaching. Were I to extend your argument, giving the woman a pen to sign a citation is grounds for attacking her with a tazer because she might take his eye out with that pen. Hell, she might also throw her cell phone at him and put him in the hospital. Maybe she could scratch him when he gets close. Get real man. Your argument that this cop was at any realistic risk of harm doesn't hold water because it can be used to justify everything. And in the end, it was ironically the cop who attacked the woman, not the other way around.

Even *IF* we grant your premiss that the woman could possibly have injured the cop with her cigarette from inside her car, he was duty-bound to give her a reason for demanding she put out the cigarette or get out of the car. He didn't give a reason (like safety) which is apparently required by law (see vinsue's clicky). That's what escalated the encounter.

The onus of deescalating is on him as the trained professional wielding a weapon, not the nervous and confused citizen trying to calm down with a cigarette. This whole thing was an ego-driven attack by a bully with too much testosterone and too little emotional maturity to be given a gun and empowered to enforce laws.

Your argument is clearly not based in the law or codified police department policy.

so tell us how this cop was not within his rights to ask her to step out of the
car or to ask her to extinguish her cigarette.


He would have been in the right by law and codified policy had he given her a reason for the demand. That would have rendered his arbitrary command from bully-noise into a lawful order, and the cop should have known better. He didn't give a reason because that would have required his ego to bend a little, but he was pissed off and acting on emotion, not on his training, policy, or the law.

There is no place for emotionally immature people in law enforcement. It's the cause of all our troubles.

the cop did not kill this woman, she killed her self

On this we agree. But that is a different topic than the long-running epidemic of police bullying and emotional policing that cell phone cameras have finally been exposing.


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    #21995503 - 07/25/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The law is very simple.

Yes it is, and the cop broke it.

The officer clearly told her I am ORDERING you to step out of the car.

This is illegal unless he gives a reason per visnue's clicky. It's also against his department's policies. Again, see visnue's clicky. He even quoted it for the lazy. Here is the paraphrased beef again so you don't have to go and actually read the thread or anything.

We are supposed to be a nation of laws, not a nation of extrajudicial bullying by enforcers butthurt over their bruised egos.

Quote:

Cop says: "You mind putting out your cigarette please?" And Ms. Bland says, "Well, I’m in my car – why do I have to put out my cigarette?"

Question: Does she have to put out her cigarette?

Answer: No, she doesn’t have to put out her cigarette. And you wonder why the officer is even bothering with that. This is part of his escalation of the whole event that unfolded, unfortunately.

-----

Question: Does he have the right, first, to order her to step out of the car, and second, to actually physically remove her from the car?

Answer: He does not have the right to say get out of the car. He has to express some reason. ‘I need to search your car,’ or, whatever; he needs to give a reason. He can’t just say ‘get out of the car’ for a traffic offense.

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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Diploid]
    #21996231 - 07/25/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Diploid said:
The law is very simple.

Yes it is, and the cop broke it.

The officer clearly told her I am ORDERING you to step out of the car.

This is illegal unless he gives a reason per visnue's clicky. It's also against his department's policies. Again, see visnue's clicky. He even quoted it for the lazy. Here is the paraphrased beef again so you don't have to go and actually read the thread or anything.

We are supposed to be a nation of laws, not a nation of extrajudicial bullying by enforces butthurt over their bruised egos.

Quote:

Cop says: "You mind putting out your cigarette please?" And Ms. Bland says, "Well, I’m in my car – why do I have to put out my cigarette?"

Question: Does she have to put out her cigarette?

Answer: No, she doesn’t have to put out her cigarette. And you wonder why the officer is even bothering with that. This is part of his escalation of the whole event that unfolded, unfortunately.

-----

Question: Does he have the right, first, to order her to step out of the car, and second, to actually physically remove her from the car?

Answer: He does not have the right to say get out of the car. He has to express some reason. ‘I need to search your car,’ or, whatever; he needs to give a reason. He can’t just say ‘get out of the car’ for a traffic offense.

Clicky







"He has to express some reason" 

He doesn't have to explain in perfect detail at that very moment, sometimes the circumstances doesn't allow for it, so it's still in his legal right.

It wasn't about the traffic offense at that point, the situation escalated beyond that ticket.


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    #21996321 - 07/25/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

He doesn't have to explain

You are wrong. He has to explain SOMETHING and visnue has posted credible substantiation for this.

sometimes the circumstances doesn't allow for it

The circumstances were that she was strapped into her seat belt and no imminent threat that would justify not giving a reason.

The only reason the cop did not state why she must get out of the car is because he had no basis to issue that command under color of law. In other words, those were not lawful orders. And he knew this but by that time his primitive alpha-male brain had taken over. He was not about to lose face. Humiliation is not an option for an alpha-male.

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    #21996560 - 07/25/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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vinsue said:

Good thing she wasn't vaping. Who knows what :angryguy: would do.

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    #21996587 - 07/25/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

She was suicidal and hung herself in prison. It wasn't the first time she tried to kill herself.  From what I read her forearms were pretty scarred.


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    #21996653 - 07/25/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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He doesn't have to explain

You are wrong. He has to explain SOMETHING and visnue has posted credible substantiation for this.

sometimes the circumstances doesn't allow for it

The circumstances were that she was strapped into her seat belt and no imminent threat that would justify not giving a reason.

The only reason the cop did not state why she must get out of the car is because he had no basis to issue that command under color of law. In other words, those were not lawful orders. And he knew this but by that time his primitive alpha-male brain had taken over. He was not about to lose face. Humiliation is not an option for an alpha-male.

This is exactly the kind of mentality we DO NOT need enforcing laws, yet it's exactly the mentality the profession's culture nurtures and attracts.






The experts disagree-  http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-sandra-bland-arrest-experts-20150722-story.html#page=2

From a law professor- "He certainly has the legal authority to get her to step out of the car"

From a attorney- "Under Supreme Court doctrine he has the right to tell her to step out of the car"

"officers legally DON'T have to explain why they want you to get out of a vehicle"


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    #21996750 - 07/25/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The experts disagree

Well, at least one credible source (University of Texas) says otherwise. I guess it will be for the investigation to conclude.

At any rate, I contend that the onus for deescalating is on the trained sworn officer wielding weapons, not the woman whose only offense appears to be a civil traffic infraction.

The officer's behavior was grossly unprofessional at best, but I think the investigation (now that it's in the light of free press) will find that he broke policy and he will be reprimanded.

There is no defensible reason for the cops behavior.


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    #21996789 - 07/25/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Vegas has released their rioting odds on this

Got it at 3 to 1

I think I'll put $100 on it

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    #21996815 - 07/25/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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qman said: The experts disagree-  http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-sandra-bland-arrest-experts-20150722-story.html#page=2




You are quoting out of context.

Here it is again in context:

Quote:

“He certainly has the legal authority to get her to step out of the car,” Stoughton said. “But in this case, if he is exercising his authority because she defying his direction to put out the cigarette, then that is more based on his ego than public safety.




And this one:

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“The officer here acts very appropriately up until the time he says can you put out that cigarette and she asks why she cannot smoke in her car,” Obayashi said. “He then says, ‘I need you to step out of your car.’ Under Supreme Court doctrine he has the right to tell her to step out of the car.




So the officer's behavior was "appropriate up until" he demands she put out the cigarette. By inference, at that point the officer's behavior became inappropriate.

Is this deliberate BS or did you just not bother to read any more of your link than the snippet you goggled and so didn't realize it undercuts your argument?

BTW, other goodies in your link:

Quote:

Encinia has been placed on administrative leave for violating department procedures and Department of Public Safety courtesy policy, officials said.



So clearly the officer did in fact violate department policy despite the out-of-context quotes you posted.


Quote:

Seth Stoughton, a University of South Carolina law professor and former Florida police officer, said Enicinia missed several opportunities to de-escalate tension and should have explained in calmer tones what he was doing and why.



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    #21996847 - 07/25/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There's no doubt that the "experts" have major issues in regards how the officer conducted himself that day, but at the same time it appears he did have the legal right to order her out of the car.


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    #21996855 - 07/25/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21996907 - 07/25/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They were both in the wrong imo.  Gahd damn she's obnoxious..I don't want to say it but typical behavior..


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    #21996959 - 07/25/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There's no doubt that the "experts" have major issues in regards how the officer conducted himself that day

There is also no doubt that he violated department policy and is currently suspended for those violations. From your link:

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Encinia has been placed on administrative leave for violating department procedures and Department of Public Safety courtesy policy, officials said.




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    #21997300 - 07/25/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

dont listen to pris on cop-related arguments, he has like severe PTSD that he projects as defending cops 100% always no matter what and says cigs r super dangerous and worth murdering people over its all a hoax his perception is ruined


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    #21997508 - 07/25/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The cop didn't contribute to her death.  She whacked herself.


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    #21998618 - 07/26/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

She should not have been arrested, or put in jail. Showing a cop attitude is not a crime. Arresting someone without probable cause for an actual crime is against the law. The cop should be prosecuted for civil rights violations, and the entire police force in that town should be investigated.


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    #21998630 - 07/26/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
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qman said:
She was already suicidal and stupidly used the "I know my rights" nonsense to get herself in jail in the first place, totally ignorant person.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/23/dashboard-video-shows-how-sandra-bland-traffic-stop-escalated/







This scares me though, I knew this girl who lived by my house, would cut herself for stress relief, now, say she goes into jail and the cops kill her, then the police can say "the person was suicidal" and get away with murder....

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so you believe that actual suicides are murder by the cops




NO!

That has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

I'm saying just because she had cuts on her arm doesn't mean she killed herself. I was saying WHAT IF a Pearson with similar scars was killed by police, and the police could simply say "we didn't do it the person was suicidal"

The fact that she tried to kill herself in the past shouldn't be important here, it should be considered yes, but not basis for determining cause of death.

I already said, yes, this was a legitimate suicide, but then presented a HYPOTHETICAL situation in which someone who cuts for stress release was murdered by police, should the police be able to use those scars as evidence that they did not kill the subject?

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    #21998639 - 07/26/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah she should have.  I don't care if the cop is an asshole, do what he says.  If he tells you to get out of the car get out of the car.  And don't whack him.

The attitude of a lot you children here is going to get you in more trouble than you might otherwise encounter.  The time to express your rights is in court, not on the street.


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    #21998659 - 07/26/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Aside from the :hang: thang,
I must have missed the part where she "assaulted an officer":confused:
which is what she was arrested for.:foreheadslap:

Also, did he even give her the ticket for "improper lane change"?
... 'cause I think she beat that one.:smirk:


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She was already suicidal and stupidly used the "I know my rights" nonsense to get herself in jail in the first place, totally ignorant person.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/23/dashboard-video-shows-how-sandra-bland-traffic-stop-escalated/







This scares me though, I knew this girl who lived by my house, would cut herself for stress relief, now, say she goes into jail and the cops kill her, then the police can say "the person was suicidal" and get away with murder....

-E. Borodin




Yeah, cops are into killing people in a jail cell.  :flowstone:  This case has already been ruled a suicide.




So even if this case was a suicide, I'm glad someone actually investigated it, and if investigations would happen more often you would understand my opinion.

Cops get into struggles and kill inmates every day, just like they choke and shoot people to death in struggles on the street every day, the difference is in jail you have no voice, if the cops kill you in a struggle and the cops cover it up, that's that, where as on the street cell phones and witnesses bring the cops to justice.

Remember the cop who shot the guy in the back then planted a weapon on him? What makes you think this doesn't happen behind bars, away from the public eye?



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    #21998668 - 07/26/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Aside from the :hang: thang,
I must have missed the part where she "assaulted an officer":confused:
which is what she was arrested for.:foreheadslap:

Also, did he even give her the ticket for "improper lane change"?
... 'cause I think she beat that one.:smirk:


:angrycop: smh...:peace:




Why would a person kill themselves over a minor traffic charge? She would have been out in a few days regardless...

Even if it was officially ruled a suicide, it's a questionable case.

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    #21998728 - 07/26/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The attitude of a lot you children here is going to get you in more trouble than you might otherwise encounter.  The time to express your rights is in court, not on the street.




The idea that I should hand over all my rights to some dolt wearing a blue uniform like it's fucking magical is stupid, especially if all it takes is for him to be in a bad mood to end up dead - like Sandra Bland.

They murdered this woman and now they are trying to cover it up. Suicide my ass.


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    #21998762 - 07/26/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Local and state police seem more abusive of power than federal police.

We should have abolished local and state gov and grew as a federal gov alone nation.





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    #21998767 - 07/26/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21998777 - 07/26/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

it's a questionable case.

I don't think it's that questionable. One of the things the medical examiner looks for is signs of a defensive struggle that would be present if she was accosted. There are certain classical injuries that almost always happen when someone is physically attacked, and pathologists know how to look for them. None were found on this woman which strongly suggests suicide.

While I agree it does seem weird that someone who just landed a new job would take her life, I also know that people with mental issues do not always act in expected or rational ways.

It's not hard to believe that someone who is already mentally unstable would be pushed past breaking by the trauma of being arrested without cause by an asshole and locked in a cage with real criminals for three days.

There is no reason to doubt the official cause of death issued by the medical examiner and I'm pretty sure the second autopsy requested by the family will concur with the first: this was a suicide.


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    #21998796 - 07/26/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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They were both in the wrong imo.  Gahd damn she's obnoxious..I don't want to say it but typical behavior..



Typical of whom?

I think the cop is displaying typical cop behavior - severe butthurt at the slightest sign of disrespect.


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    #21999038 - 07/26/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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They were both in the wrong imo.  Gahd damn she's obnoxious..I don't want to say it but typical behavior..



Typical of whom?

I think the cop is displaying typical cop behavior - severe butthurt at the slightest sign of disrespect.



Which is why you don't fuck with them. 

This was not her first suicide attempt and she beat the ticket with death

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/us/sandra-bland-death-may-lead-to-disciplinary-action-sheriff-says.html

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    #21999109 - 07/26/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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dont listen to pris on cop-related arguments, he has like severe PTSD that he projects as defending cops 100% always no matter what and says cigs r super dangerous and worth murdering people over its all a hoax his perception is ruined




That was...garbage. Your use of PTSD is flawed and offensive. Also, lady killed herself. The cop didn't.


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    #22001863 - 07/26/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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They were both in the wrong imo.  Gahd damn she's obnoxious..I don't want to say it but typical behavior..



Typical of whom?

I think the cop is displaying typical cop behavior - severe butthurt at the slightest sign of disrespect.




I almost cringe to say it.. but typical black behavior, I am not at all racist (unless it's funny time) but how often do you hear or read about an african american just going off?  She was outrageous "you're a pussy" "racist" "redneck" ...all that "typical" bullshit..


..shut up and do what you are told, police are in constant high stress positions and one never knows what's going to happen next..You start actin perturbed and resistant why would you expect anything other than being placed in a controlled position?

Doesn't matter whos black, whos white..start actin unstable and you will/should be controlled..

Just the other day i watched a video on here where a white guy was in a predominately "black" area (must have been during 4th of july) and just got the piss beat out of him.  You could hear and see soooo much hate towards him, girls standing over his bloody knocked out body quoting the movie Friday.. "You got knocked the fuck out".  Tons of people were around and not a single one wanted to help stop it.  Flat out embarrassing.


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    #22001877 - 07/26/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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.I can't be, some of my favorite musicians and athletes and presidents are of that background  :smile:


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.I can't be, some of my favorite musicians and athletes and presidents are of that background  :smile:




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    #22002403 - 07/26/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I almost cringe to say it.. but typical black behavior, I am not at all racist (unless it's funny time) but how often do you hear or read about an african american just going off?...




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    #22002419 - 07/26/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

who cares.  the more people die the less we have to compete for resources...  besides people are annoying anyway. 


way i see it they are the lucky ones, we are still stuck here.  :lol:


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way i see it they are the lucky ones, we are still stuck here.  :lol:




i like that.

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    #22002758 - 07/27/15 02:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #22003162 - 07/27/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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it's a questionable case.

I don't think it's that questionable. One of the things the medical examiner looks for is signs of a defensive struggle that would be present if she was accosted. There are certain classical injuries that almost always happen when someone is physically attacked, and pathologists know how to look for them. None were found on this woman which strongly suggests suicide.

While I agree it does seem weird that someone who just landed a new job would take her life, I also know that people with mental issues do not always act in expected or rational ways.

It's not hard to believe that someone who is already mentally unstable would be pushed past breaking by the trauma of being arrested without cause by an asshole and locked in a cage with real criminals for three days.

There is no reason to doubt the official cause of death issued by the medical examiner and I'm pretty sure the second autopsy requested by the family will concur with the first: this was a suicide.




Since she was in a struggle prior to arrest it may cloud whether she may have been in a struggle in her cell...

She probably killed herself, but it's possible some police officer accidentally strangled her to death in a struggle, and knew that killing a woman who was in over minor charges would look horrible, the police have taken a lot of heat for murdering unarmed African Americans, the last thing they would want is headlines reading "police murder woman in jail for minor offense"

I don't understand how this small charge and being sent to county jail would be enough to drive a person to suicide...specially if she started a new job...

If she was behaving in a manor indicating suicidal behavior she would have been put on a watch.

This is why I think it's questionable...

You must also consider that we are not being told the whole story.

Honestly, there's no way I could know, and in this case it may have really been a suicide, but I don't trust the police, and I have good reason for my distrust.

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    #22003475 - 07/27/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

She had no bruising to indicate a struggle.  She was a belligerent whackjob who had tried to kill herself before.  Total nutjob.


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    #22003989 - 07/27/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Was there not a video of a police officer struggling with her when she was arrested? How would the autopsy show no signs of a struggle?

If she was behaving in a manor indicating suicidal behavior she would have been put on a watch...

Regardless if she was a "whack-job" with prior mental health issues still doesn't mean it was suicide...

And there's no way of knowing that your getting the whole story.

She probably killed herself, but who knows, I'll admit I automatically distrust the police, but that doesn't mean I'm being unreasonable either, the girls own family insists that there is something wrong with the whole situation, and they deserve a fair and objective investigation.

I wish it would happen more often. Because even if this case was a legitimate suicide, there are many others that are murder that go unnoticed.

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    #22004025 - 07/27/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Was there not a video of a police officer struggling with her when she was arrested? How would the autopsy show no signs of a struggle?





That was 3 days before.  There was no recent bruising
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If she was behaving in a manor indicating suicidal behavior she would have been put on a watch...




"manner". and she reported to them that she had attempted suicide in the past when she lost her baby.  They fucked up not having her on watch.  Even the 'shroomery puts people on suicide watch
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Regardless if she was a "whack-job" with prior mental health issues still doesn't mean it was suicide...




All indications are that it was.
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And there's no way of knowing that your getting the whole story.




You never do
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She probably killed herself, but who knows, I'll admit I automatically distrust the police, but that doesn't mean I'm being unreasonable either, the girls own family insists that there is something wrong with the whole situation, and they deserve a fair and objective investigation.




As far as I know they got one.  She was a belligerent raised in a culture of diss and hatred
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    #22004083 - 07/27/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

She was pulled over for not using her blinker, which is obviously one of the most retarded reasons you can get pulled over, ever.

The officer was super aggressive and did NOT have reason to get her out of the car, let alone arrest her. Refusing to put out your cigarette during a traffic stop is NOT illegal - she knew her rights, and THAT's what pissed off the cop. The cop did not have probably cause to get her out of the car - period.

The entire arrest was unlawful.

Show a little bit of defiance towards a power tripping cop and it can get you killed, or arrested on trumped up charges, or your head slammed into the ground and tazed.

These cops clearly have a trumped up sense of entitlement and authority which needs to be turned down a few notches.

That's not the type of society we should have. It's bullshit, there is NO reason we should be giving away our rights to people just because they wear a blue uniform.

But go on, keep blaming her because she sounded like a "typical black"... LOL... oh the arrogance of some people on this site. Rights don't matter when you sound like a typical black person I guess.


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    #22004196 - 07/27/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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She was pulled over for not using her blinker, which is obviously one of the most retarded reasons you can get pulled over, ever.




I have been pulled over and gotten tickets for less.  In fact I got the tickets for something I didn't even know about.  You are supposed to signal lane changes.  Ask yogabunny and Platinum about getting pulled over for bullshhit and they are as white as the driven snow
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The officer was super aggressive and did NOT have reason to get her out of the car, let alone arrest her. Refusing to put out your cigarette during a traffic stop is NOT illegal - she knew her rights, and THAT's what pissed off the cop. The cop did not have probably cause to get her out of the car - period.




She was aggressive and assaulted him.  I got an idea for the morons of the world.  The place to assert your rights is in court, not on the street.  I do not get mouthy with cops and you know what?  I have never been arrested.
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The entire arrest was unlawful.




No it wasn't.  You, like so many of your ilk, have absolutely noo understanding of law.
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Show a little bit of defiance towards a power tripping cop and it can get you killed, or arrested on trumped up charges, or your head slammed into the ground and tazed.




So do what he says.  What is the big deal about putting a cigarette out or getting out of the car?
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These cops clearly have a trumped up sense of entitlement and authority which needs to be turned down a few notches.




It is part of their job, what they get paid for, to exert authority
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That's not the type of society we should have. It's bullshit, there is NO reason we should be giving away our rights to people just because they wear a blue uniform.




You have no concept of what your rights are.  Do you think you have the right to defy the turn signal law? 
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But go on, keep blaming her because she sounded like a "typical black"... LOL... oh the arrogance of some people on this site. Rights don't matter when you sound like a typical black person I guess.




Strawmen.  I never said any of those things


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: chopstick]
    #22004245 - 07/27/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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She was pulled over for not using her blinker, which is obviously one of the most retarded reasons you can get pulled over, ever.

The officer was super aggressive and did NOT have reason to get her out of the car, let alone arrest her. Refusing to put out your cigarette during a traffic stop is NOT illegal - she knew her rights, and THAT's what pissed off the cop. The cop did not have probably cause to get her out of the car - period.

The entire arrest was unlawful.

Show a little bit of defiance towards a power tripping cop and it can get you killed, or arrested on trumped up charges, or your head slammed into the ground and tazed.

These cops clearly have a trumped up sense of entitlement and authority which needs to be turned down a few notches.

That's not the type of society we should have. It's bullshit, there is NO reason we should be giving away our rights to people just because they wear a blue uniform.

But go on, keep blaming her because she sounded like a "typical black"... LOL... oh the arrogance of some people on this site. Rights don't matter when you sound like a typical black person I guess.




"she knew her rights"

No she didn't and that caused her arrest which ultimately led to her suicide.  She THOUGHT she knew her rights from all of the "I know my rights" Utube retard videos which have been getting people killed based on misinformation.

"did NOT have reason to get her out of the car"

The cop had the legal right to get her out of the car, stop spreading misinformation, it gets people in trouble if not killed.

"The entire arrest was unlawful"

Nope, she was charged with several crimes during that arrest and was facing a court date.

She escalated a very tame situation because she had a major attitude problem in regards to law enforcement, she created a self fulfilling prophecy, mission accomplished.

The cop could have also handled the situation better, but she started the ball rolling.


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    #22004465 - 07/27/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

it's possible some police officer accidentally strangled her to death

Lots of things are possible, but there is no reason, given the available evidence, to believe she was killed. Video and multiple witnesses corroborate, as does the autopsy.

You must also consider that we are not being told the whole story.

Independent federal investigators are involved now and they're working under the glare of hard-hitting investigative reporters. A free press is a powerful force for the truth. If there were the slightest smell of something fishy, CNN and NYT and others would be all over it. It's one reason I'm confident this was a suicide by a mentally ill person who, as the mentally ill often do, acted in a way that makes no sense to the rest of us.

Since she was in a struggle prior to arrest it may cloud whether she may have been in a struggle in her cell...

That was taken into account by the autopsy. It recorded every detail, even handcuff indentations in her wrists from the arrest three days before she died. Medical examiners know what they're doing. They can date injuries accurately, so an injury during arrest can be easily distinguished from one closer to death. It's very uncommon for a second autopsy to reach findings different from the first. It happens, but it's uncommon, and my money is that the second autopsy requested by the family will concur with the first and this case will be put to rest as a suicide.

There will be a civil settlement. From what I've read, she stated when booked that she had attempted suicide before. Jail policy was that she be given mental health support, but she received none. It can be argued that this lack of support in contravention of jail policy is what lead to her suicide.

I think the suit will succeed and I think the finding of suicide will stand.

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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Diploid]
    #22004476 - 07/27/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think you are right.  I think she whacked herself and they will be sued for failing to properly monitor her


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    #22006360 - 07/27/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Strange they even allow something like a bag to be laying around. 
Someone i know works around some sort of prison setting and they arn't even allowed to bring regular silverware to eat their lunch with..and that's in a civilian segregated lunch room.  Odd a bag was sitting around a prisoner


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    #22006364 - 07/27/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

..I guess one could hang ones self with sheets anyway so i suppose there's not much stopping it


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: cApTaInCrAp]
    #22008135 - 07/28/15 06:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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it's possible some police officer accidentally strangled her to death

Lots of things are possible, but there is no reason, given the available evidence, to believe she was killed. Video and multiple witnesses corroborate, as does the autopsy.




You all said she was belligerent?

That's reason to believe she could have gotten into a struggle with police who could have strangled her to death, if you even slightly show non-compliance they generally will restrain you, maybe things got out of hand and they strangled her, maybe the video (released by prison staff) was edited...

Do you feel the family got an objective investigation?

I'm not even saying this is very probable, I'm just saying there's reason to doubt...

I know you guys think police murdering inmates in jail is rare, but trust me it happens every day, only most the time they can simply say "the inmate was violent and it was an accident" and that's that, no investigation...

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    #22008459 - 07/28/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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it's possible some police officer accidentally strangled her to death

Lots of things are possible, but there is no reason, given the available evidence, to believe she was killed. Video and multiple witnesses corroborate, as does the autopsy.




You all said she was belligerent?

That's reason to believe she could have gotten into a struggle with police who could have strangled her to death, if you even slightly show non-compliance they generally will restrain you, maybe things got out of hand and they strangled her, maybe the video (released by prison staff) was edited...

Do you feel the family got an objective investigation?

I'm not even saying this is very probable, I'm just saying there's reason to doubt...

I know you guys think police murdering inmates in jail is rare, but trust me it happens every day, only most the time they can simply say "the inmate was violent and it was an accident" and that's that, no investigation...

-E. Borodin




"police murdering inmates in jail...trust me it happens every day"

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2011/jan/15/us-department-of-justice-releases-report-on-deaths-in-jails/

"The leading causes of death are, in order of prevalence: suicide, heart disease, intoxication, AIDS and cancer"

Also, Bland had a big attitude problem with "white privilege" and law enforcement, she was looking for a confrontation that day. Her own video below.



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    #22018709 - 07/30/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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    #22018769 - 07/30/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

here are a few suicides I know of in the DOC.

inmate took rightguard sticks and melted them down with hot-water, proceeded to wrap himself up with toilet paper. pours right guard/alcohol content on paper lit self on fire.

inmate purchased extension cord in commissary . stripped the ends, and tied to right and left fingers. when DOC turned the lights on in the morning. instant electrocution.

inmate purchases carton of kite tobacco, makes nicotine tea, drinks it, cardiac arrest.

inmate jumps head first off 2nd tier.

inmate hangs self from 2nd tier.

inmate takes razor apart removes his penis.

and the ever so more common hanging in cell and heroin overdoses ..


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    #22018882 - 07/30/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the electrocution thing sounds like a pretty good way to kill yourself. you're sleeping and then you die.


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    #22036647 - 08/03/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My last post wasn't trying to point out that suicides don't happen, it was trying to show the people who think that police murdering inmates doesn't happen that it actually happens all the time, in a quick search I just picked the top few to list in that post, there's more of these incidents than you can imagine, and an even larger number that never get media coverage, police and prison guards murder inmates every day, this is a fact.

Even if bland was a suicide, it's common for police/prison guards to kill inmates, that was the point of the post with the incident list of police killing inmates.

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    #22037892 - 08/03/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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the electrocution thing sounds like a pretty good way to kill yourself. you're sleeping and then you die.





..and i thought the sudden sound of my alarm waking me from my slumber was..shocking..


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    #22968305 - 03/03/16 04:52 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Update

Trooper in Sandra Bland Traffic Stop Formally Fired
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/trooper-brian-encinia-sandra-bland-traffic-stop-indicted-fired-n530611

"AUSTIN, Texas — A Texas trooper indicted over his arrest of a black woman who was later found dead in jail has been formally fired, three months after his bosses first announced they would do so, state officials said Wednesday...

Former Texas Department of Public Safety Trooper Brian Encinia can still appeal the decision to fire him, which came after a grand jury indicted him on a perjury charge in December. He's accused of lying about his July 2015 arrest of Sandra Bland and their confrontational traffic stop that was caught on dashcam video.
...Encinia had been on paid desk duty since Bland's arrest and remained on the payroll after McCraw announced in December that the agency would begin the process of firing him.

He is now no longer a paid employee and will remain that way even if he appeals his dismissal to the state's Public Safety Commission, Department of Public Safety spokesman Tom Vinger said."

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    #22968728 - 03/03/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

so they fired a cop because some bitch hanged herself?


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    #22968794 - 03/03/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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so they fired a cop because some bitch hanged herself?




Apparently he committed perjury for reporting that she was "combative and uncooperative". :huxleyfacepalm:

So yes, they did fire him for someone with an establish past of mental illness hanging themselves.


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    #22968812 - 03/03/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Police ruffed her up a little too much.


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    #22968829 - 03/03/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Police ruffed her up a little too much.




She was looking for a confrontation with law enforcement that day, it was a self fulfilling prophecy.


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    #22968831 - 03/03/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

hahah for real, she was asking for it.


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    #22968901 - 03/03/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Police ruffed her up a little too much.




She was looking for a confrontation with law enforcement that day, it was a self fulfilling prophecy.





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    #22968979 - 03/03/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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hahah for real, she was asking for it.




You did watch the video?  She created the altercation. She was a stupid bitch.


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