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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: cApTaInCrAp] 1
#21998796 - 07/26/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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cApTaInCrAp said: They were both in the wrong imo. Gahd damn she's obnoxious..I don't want to say it but typical behavior..
Typical of whom?
I think the cop is displaying typical cop behavior - severe butthurt at the slightest sign of disrespect.
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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: koods]
#21999038 - 07/26/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said:
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cApTaInCrAp said: They were both in the wrong imo. Gahd damn she's obnoxious..I don't want to say it but typical behavior..
Typical of whom?
I think the cop is displaying typical cop behavior - severe butthurt at the slightest sign of disrespect.
Which is why you don't fuck with them.
This was not her first suicide attempt and she beat the ticket with death
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/us/sandra-bland-death-may-lead-to-disciplinary-action-sheriff-says.html
I agree that the cop was an asshole but he didn't cause her death. She did and she finally got what she wanted. I believe she was depressed over a fairly recent miscarriage.
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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Sheekle]
#21999109 - 07/26/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sheekle said: dont listen to pris on cop-related arguments, he has like severe PTSD that he projects as defending cops 100% always no matter what and says cigs r super dangerous and worth murdering people over its all a hoax his perception is ruined
That was...garbage. Your use of PTSD is flawed and offensive. Also, lady killed herself. The cop didn't.
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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: koods] 1
#22001863 - 07/26/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said:
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cApTaInCrAp said: They were both in the wrong imo. Gahd damn she's obnoxious..I don't want to say it but typical behavior..
Typical of whom?
I think the cop is displaying typical cop behavior - severe butthurt at the slightest sign of disrespect.
I almost cringe to say it.. but typical black behavior, I am not at all racist (unless it's funny time) but how often do you hear or read about an african american just going off? She was outrageous "you're a pussy" "racist" "redneck" ...all that "typical" bullshit..
..shut up and do what you are told, police are in constant high stress positions and one never knows what's going to happen next..You start actin perturbed and resistant why would you expect anything other than being placed in a controlled position?
Doesn't matter whos black, whos white..start actin unstable and you will/should be controlled..
Just the other day i watched a video on here where a white guy was in a predominately "black" area (must have been during 4th of july) and just got the piss beat out of him. You could hear and see soooo much hate towards him, girls standing over his bloody knocked out body quoting the movie Friday.. "You got knocked the fuck out". Tons of people were around and not a single one wanted to help stop it. Flat out embarrassing.
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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: cApTaInCrAp] 2
#22001877 - 07/26/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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u r racist
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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Sheekle]
#22001890 - 07/26/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sheekle said: u r racist
.I can't be, some of my favorite musicians and athletes and presidents are of that background
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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: cApTaInCrAp]
#22001930 - 07/26/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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cApTaInCrAp said:
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Sheekle said: u r racist
.I can't be, some of my favorite musicians and athletes and presidents are of that background 
That's not good enough, reparations time.
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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: cApTaInCrAp] 2
#22002403 - 07/26/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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cApTaInCrAp said: .. I almost cringe to say it.. but typical black behavior, I am not at all racist (unless it's funny time) but how often do you hear or read about an african american just going off?...
Not nearly as much as I hear people say "I'm not a racist but..." and then follow that with something blatantly racist.
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who cares. the more people die the less we have to compete for resources... besides people are annoying anyway.
way i see it they are the lucky ones, we are still stuck here.
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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: sprinkles]
#22002738 - 07/27/15 02:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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way i see it they are the lucky ones, we are still stuck here. 
i like that.
..besides, i dislike most equally. Damn humanoids.
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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: cApTaInCrAp] 1
#22002758 - 07/27/15 02:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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will get worse before they get better as there is definitely an element of society that thinks wealth and power should be able to supersede democracy.
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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Diploid]
#22003162 - 07/27/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diploid said: it's a questionable case.
I don't think it's that questionable. One of the things the medical examiner looks for is signs of a defensive struggle that would be present if she was accosted. There are certain classical injuries that almost always happen when someone is physically attacked, and pathologists know how to look for them. None were found on this woman which strongly suggests suicide.
While I agree it does seem weird that someone who just landed a new job would take her life, I also know that people with mental issues do not always act in expected or rational ways.
It's not hard to believe that someone who is already mentally unstable would be pushed past breaking by the trauma of being arrested without cause by an asshole and locked in a cage with real criminals for three days.
There is no reason to doubt the official cause of death issued by the medical examiner and I'm pretty sure the second autopsy requested by the family will concur with the first: this was a suicide.
Since she was in a struggle prior to arrest it may cloud whether she may have been in a struggle in her cell...
She probably killed herself, but it's possible some police officer accidentally strangled her to death in a struggle, and knew that killing a woman who was in over minor charges would look horrible, the police have taken a lot of heat for murdering unarmed African Americans, the last thing they would want is headlines reading "police murder woman in jail for minor offense"
I don't understand how this small charge and being sent to county jail would be enough to drive a person to suicide...specially if she started a new job...
If she was behaving in a manor indicating suicidal behavior she would have been put on a watch.
This is why I think it's questionable...
You must also consider that we are not being told the whole story.
Honestly, there's no way I could know, and in this case it may have really been a suicide, but I don't trust the police, and I have good reason for my distrust.
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She had no bruising to indicate a struggle. She was a belligerent whackjob who had tried to kill herself before. Total nutjob.
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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: zappaisgod]
#22003989 - 07/27/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Was there not a video of a police officer struggling with her when she was arrested? How would the autopsy show no signs of a struggle?
If she was behaving in a manor indicating suicidal behavior she would have been put on a watch...
Regardless if she was a "whack-job" with prior mental health issues still doesn't mean it was suicide...
And there's no way of knowing that your getting the whole story.
She probably killed herself, but who knows, I'll admit I automatically distrust the police, but that doesn't mean I'm being unreasonable either, the girls own family insists that there is something wrong with the whole situation, and they deserve a fair and objective investigation.
I wish it would happen more often. Because even if this case was a legitimate suicide, there are many others that are murder that go unnoticed.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: Was there not a video of a police officer struggling with her when she was arrested? How would the autopsy show no signs of a struggle?
That was 3 days before. There was no recent bruisingQuote:
If she was behaving in a manor indicating suicidal behavior she would have been put on a watch...
"manner". and she reported to them that she had attempted suicide in the past when she lost her baby. They fucked up not having her on watch. Even the 'shroomery puts people on suicide watchQuote:
Regardless if she was a "whack-job" with prior mental health issues still doesn't mean it was suicide...
All indications are that it was.Quote:
And there's no way of knowing that your getting the whole story.
You never doQuote:
She probably killed herself, but who knows, I'll admit I automatically distrust the police, but that doesn't mean I'm being unreasonable either, the girls own family insists that there is something wrong with the whole situation, and they deserve a fair and objective investigation.
As far as I know they got one. She was a belligerent raised in a culture of diss and hatredQuote:
I wish it would happen more often. Because even if this case was a legitimate suicide, there are many others that are murder that go unnoticed.
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That is possibly true but not likely. There is so much scrutiny I don't see it being possible.
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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: zappaisgod] 2
#22004083 - 07/27/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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She was pulled over for not using her blinker, which is obviously one of the most retarded reasons you can get pulled over, ever.
The officer was super aggressive and did NOT have reason to get her out of the car, let alone arrest her. Refusing to put out your cigarette during a traffic stop is NOT illegal - she knew her rights, and THAT's what pissed off the cop. The cop did not have probably cause to get her out of the car - period.
The entire arrest was unlawful.
Show a little bit of defiance towards a power tripping cop and it can get you killed, or arrested on trumped up charges, or your head slammed into the ground and tazed.
These cops clearly have a trumped up sense of entitlement and authority which needs to be turned down a few notches.
That's not the type of society we should have. It's bullshit, there is NO reason we should be giving away our rights to people just because they wear a blue uniform.
But go on, keep blaming her because she sounded like a "typical black"... LOL... oh the arrogance of some people on this site. Rights don't matter when you sound like a typical black person I guess.
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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: chopstick]
#22004196 - 07/27/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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chopstick said: She was pulled over for not using her blinker, which is obviously one of the most retarded reasons you can get pulled over, ever.
I have been pulled over and gotten tickets for less. In fact I got the tickets for something I didn't even know about. You are supposed to signal lane changes. Ask yogabunny and Platinum about getting pulled over for bullshhit and they are as white as the driven snowQuote:
The officer was super aggressive and did NOT have reason to get her out of the car, let alone arrest her. Refusing to put out your cigarette during a traffic stop is NOT illegal - she knew her rights, and THAT's what pissed off the cop. The cop did not have probably cause to get her out of the car - period.
She was aggressive and assaulted him. I got an idea for the morons of the world. The place to assert your rights is in court, not on the street. I do not get mouthy with cops and you know what? I have never been arrested.Quote:
The entire arrest was unlawful.
No it wasn't. You, like so many of your ilk, have absolutely noo understanding of law.Quote:
Show a little bit of defiance towards a power tripping cop and it can get you killed, or arrested on trumped up charges, or your head slammed into the ground and tazed.
So do what he says. What is the big deal about putting a cigarette out or getting out of the car?Quote:
These cops clearly have a trumped up sense of entitlement and authority which needs to be turned down a few notches.
It is part of their job, what they get paid for, to exert authorityQuote:
That's not the type of society we should have. It's bullshit, there is NO reason we should be giving away our rights to people just because they wear a blue uniform.
You have no concept of what your rights are. Do you think you have the right to defy the turn signal law? Quote:
But go on, keep blaming her because she sounded like a "typical black"... LOL... oh the arrogance of some people on this site. Rights don't matter when you sound like a typical black person I guess.
Strawmen. I never said any of those things
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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: chopstick]
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chopstick said: She was pulled over for not using her blinker, which is obviously one of the most retarded reasons you can get pulled over, ever.
The officer was super aggressive and did NOT have reason to get her out of the car, let alone arrest her. Refusing to put out your cigarette during a traffic stop is NOT illegal - she knew her rights, and THAT's what pissed off the cop. The cop did not have probably cause to get her out of the car - period.
The entire arrest was unlawful.
Show a little bit of defiance towards a power tripping cop and it can get you killed, or arrested on trumped up charges, or your head slammed into the ground and tazed.
These cops clearly have a trumped up sense of entitlement and authority which needs to be turned down a few notches.
That's not the type of society we should have. It's bullshit, there is NO reason we should be giving away our rights to people just because they wear a blue uniform.
But go on, keep blaming her because she sounded like a "typical black"... LOL... oh the arrogance of some people on this site. Rights don't matter when you sound like a typical black person I guess.
"she knew her rights"
No she didn't and that caused her arrest which ultimately led to her suicide. She THOUGHT she knew her rights from all of the "I know my rights" Utube retard videos which have been getting people killed based on misinformation.
"did NOT have reason to get her out of the car"
The cop had the legal right to get her out of the car, stop spreading misinformation, it gets people in trouble if not killed.
"The entire arrest was unlawful"
Nope, she was charged with several crimes during that arrest and was facing a court date.
She escalated a very tame situation because she had a major attitude problem in regards to law enforcement, she created a self fulfilling prophecy, mission accomplished.
The cop could have also handled the situation better, but she started the ball rolling.
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it's possible some police officer accidentally strangled her to death
Lots of things are possible, but there is no reason, given the available evidence, to believe she was killed. Video and multiple witnesses corroborate, as does the autopsy.
You must also consider that we are not being told the whole story.
Independent federal investigators are involved now and they're working under the glare of hard-hitting investigative reporters. A free press is a powerful force for the truth. If there were the slightest smell of something fishy, CNN and NYT and others would be all over it. It's one reason I'm confident this was a suicide by a mentally ill person who, as the mentally ill often do, acted in a way that makes no sense to the rest of us.
Since she was in a struggle prior to arrest it may cloud whether she may have been in a struggle in her cell...
That was taken into account by the autopsy. It recorded every detail, even handcuff indentations in her wrists from the arrest three days before she died. Medical examiners know what they're doing. They can date injuries accurately, so an injury during arrest can be easily distinguished from one closer to death. It's very uncommon for a second autopsy to reach findings different from the first. It happens, but it's uncommon, and my money is that the second autopsy requested by the family will concur with the first and this case will be put to rest as a suicide.
There will be a civil settlement. From what I've read, she stated when booked that she had attempted suicide before. Jail policy was that she be given mental health support, but she received none. It can be argued that this lack of support in contravention of jail policy is what lead to her suicide.
I think the suit will succeed and I think the finding of suicide will stand.
Let's wait and see...
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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Diploid]
#22004476 - 07/27/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you are right. I think she whacked herself and they will be sued for failing to properly monitor her
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