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police murdering citizens
    #21984530 - 07/23/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/us/texas-sandra-bland-jail-death-explain/

Have you ever seen a suicide in which a person used a plastic bag to asphyxiate themselves?

I'm no expert on murders or suicides, so I don't know if this is something that happens very often, but to me it s

Seems to be a difficult way to commit suicide.

Every time I've been in county jail they never gave us plastic bags for anything, ever, but that may just be my state.

She may have killed herself, I can't say, but if the cops really did murder I hope they are caught. I've seen people in a struggle put plastic bags over people's heads to murder them, this happens...but for a suicide it seems odd to me, but then again, I don't know very much about suicides.

I don't see how the tape of her being pulled over is relevant, but, damn, over a lane change without signal the cop is saying "I'm going to light you up" to her, meaning I'll shoot you, that's so fucked up how police at allowed to treat people...


Like in the link below, if I said "I'm going to shoot you, you will be dead!" With a gun pointed at somebody (maybe without even the gun) I would be charged with felony menacing or attempted murder, yet the police can treat you like this over a l
Minor traffic offense...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/22/us/bridgeton-police-shooting/

Listen to the cop in the link above, he takes a gun from the passenger then starts yelling I'm going to shoot you, your going to be dead! come on! You'll be dead!" He says this to an unarmed man several times, then kills him, it sounds like he was ready to kill this man and the fact that the man was unarmed with his hands up was not going to stop him...

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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21984569 - 07/23/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Local and state police seem more abusive of power than federal police.

We should have abolished local and state gov and grew as a federal gov alone nation.


Edited by Lived_1978-2043 (07/23/15 12:42 PM)


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
    #21984953 - 07/23/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The county where this happened is notoriously corrupt


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21984980 - 07/23/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think in general a person usually has to sedate themselves to kill themselves with a plastic bag because instinct will kick in even as you lose consciousness and you'll probably rip it off.  It's kinda like drowning yourself in a sink.  You'd really have to have nerves of steel in order to go through with it.

I've heard of it done a couple times,in one case in a documentary about euthenasia, but I think they are usually sedated first.

edit- oh nvm she used the bag to hang herself, I was thinking she put it over her head.  Yeah that's possible if the bag's strong enough, but even if she did kill herself there's got to be more to this story.


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Lived_1978-2043] * 2
    #21985004 - 07/23/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Lived_1978-2043 said:
Local and state police seem more abusive of power than federal police.

We should have abolished local and state gov and grew as a federal gov alone nation.


Man you're really rolling out the dumb statements today. :feelsbadman:


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #21985038 - 07/23/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

She was already suicidal and stupidly used the "I know my rights" nonsense to get herself in jail in the first place, totally ignorant person.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/23/dashboard-video-shows-how-sandra-bland-traffic-stop-escalated/



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    #21985042 - 07/23/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

We should have maintained a model where the chief of police is elected rather than appointed, like other government officials.  People have just grown too comfortable with a government that operates like a business independent of the populace, and it seems like things will get worse before they get better as there is definitely an element of society that thinks wealth and power should be able to supersede democracy. 

It's funny because they're the ones who will bang the liberty and freedom drums the hardest, but when it comes down to it they're talking about their freedom to unfairly fuck other people over.


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
    #21985043 - 07/23/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Local and state police seem more abusive of power than federal police.

We should have abolished local and state gov and grew as a federal gov alone nation.





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    #21985126 - 07/23/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Lived_1978-2043]
    #21985278 - 07/23/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Local and state police seem more abusive of power than federal police.

We should have abolished local and state gov and grew as a federal gov alone nation.




:lol:


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21985508 - 07/23/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think in general a person usually has to sedate themselves to kill themselves with a plastic bag because instinct will kick in even as you lose consciousness and you'll probably rip it off.  It's kinda like drowning yourself in a sink.  You'd really have to have nerves of steel in order to go through with it.

I've heard of it done a couple times,in one case in a documentary about euthenasia, but I think they are usually sedated first.

edit- oh nvm she used the bag to hang herself, I was thinking she put it over her head.  Yeah that's possible if the bag's strong enough, but even if she did kill herself there's got to be more to this story.




Nope, that's it.

P.S. Your first sentence is dumb as hell. Unless you hold a medical degree, then I might put stock in your opinion


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Re: police murdering citizens [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21985563 - 07/23/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/us/texas-sandra-bland-jail-death-explain/

Have you ever seen a suicide in which a person used a plastic bag to asphyxiate themselves?

I'm no expert on murders or suicides, so I don't know if this is something that happens very often, but to me it s

Seems to be a difficult way to commit suicide.

Every time I've been in county jail they never gave us plastic bags for anything, ever, but that may just be my state.




1) The officer knows the entire ordeal where he basically slams a woman for no reason was all caught on tape. He would have been on his best behavior so as not to get into more trouble than he already was.

2) Why would a police officer murder an inmate and try to cover it up. That's insane.

3) The girl was a mean angry suicidal psycho with an attitude.

4) When I was in county jail the guys there would ask for a garbage bag and the deps would provide. They had some food concoction consisting of pickles, cheese, and I can't remember it was so long ago but it was like 5 or 6 different things...They mixed it in the bag and it was actually delicious.

5) See #2


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    #21985730 - 07/23/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

moonrockmushy said:
I think in general a person usually has to sedate themselves to kill themselves with a plastic bag because instinct will kick in even as you lose consciousness and you'll probably rip it off.  It's kinda like drowning yourself in a sink.  You'd really have to have nerves of steel in order to go through with it.

I've heard of it done a couple times,in one case in a documentary about euthenasia, but I think they are usually sedated first.

edit- oh nvm she used the bag to hang herself, I was thinking she put it over her head.  Yeah that's possible if the bag's strong enough, but even if she did kill herself there's got to be more to this story.




Nope, that's it.

P.S. Your first sentence is dumb as hell. Unless you hold a medical degree, then I might put stock in your opinion




I have a doctorate in applied suicide sciences.  I've heard lots of accounts of people doing this and similar things in suicide attempts.  It's not a sure thing at all because you can easily rip through a bag when you start freaking out, which you almost certainly will if you're not sedated.


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    #21985776 - 07/23/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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myc_check1212 said:
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moonrockmushy said:
I think in general a person usually has to sedate themselves to kill themselves with a plastic bag because instinct will kick in even as you lose consciousness and you'll probably rip it off.  It's kinda like drowning yourself in a sink.  You'd really have to have nerves of steel in order to go through with it.

I've heard of it done a couple times,in one case in a documentary about euthenasia, but I think they are usually sedated first.

edit- oh nvm she used the bag to hang herself, I was thinking she put it over her head.  Yeah that's possible if the bag's strong enough, but even if she did kill herself there's got to be more to this story.




Nope, that's it.

P.S. Your first sentence is dumb as hell. Unless you hold a medical degree, then I might put stock in your opinion




I have a doctorate in applied suicide sciences.  I've heard lots of accounts of people doing this and similar things in suicide attempts.  It's not a sure thing at all because you can easily rip through a bag when you start freaking out, which you almost certainly will if you're not sedated.




So you do have a degree in a related field, but still failed to articulate it accurately?

Stick to race relations :thumbup:


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    #21985794 - 07/23/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Articulate what?  I was answering:

Quote:

Have you ever seen a suicide in which a person used a plastic bag to asphyxiate themselves?




and I was under the impression that the scenario was the bag was being put over the head not the bag was used as a crude rope for a hanging.  I feel like that is a pretty reasonable misunderstanding.  OP went on to talk about people killing themselves like this, and how it is unlikely, but in the article it says she hung herself which is more likely because you'd have to have the coordination to overcome your own body weight which is going to be alot less likely than ripping thin plastic in a semi-conscious state of panic.


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    #21985820 - 07/23/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

" I think in general"

You have the degree, is it an opinion or statistics?


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    #21985856 - 07/23/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's an opinion.  I don't know why you're taking this so seriously, and I don't see why you're so eager to prove I'm not an authority here.  It's not something I'm prepared to back up with evidence because I think it is obvious, and at this point irrelevant. 

None of us really have all the specifics of this case, I was more just making a statement about the feasibility of killing yourself by putting a plastic bag over the head, because it was brought up and I enjoy critical thinking.  I don't need a doctor to tell me things that I can deduce myself.


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    #21985877 - 07/23/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Cops are not evil.
There's no reason to fear cops unless you are resisting arrest or verbally assaulting them. 99 percent of police brutality claims are because someone ignores the law then refuses to comply. They don't want to risk their own safety by treating everyone with kids gloves.
Drop your pride. Spouting sovereign citizen nonsense is an awful idea. Your individual protests are meaningless. Don't say anything you don't have to.  Do not incriminate yourself. If the cop did something wrong fight it in court.   
Realizing how high the stakes are when dealing with the law,
treat them with all the kindness you can muster, It could save you a lot of time. Comply and there is little to fear.
It really is that simple.


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    #21986020 - 07/23/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe not evil, but there are plenty out there that are criminals themselves who are not held accountable to the same standard, and plenty of evidence that they target certain demographics as well as evidence that courts also disproportionately favor police and target certain minorities.

You may not like that some people have their own ideas about government and what it means to be a citizen, but everyone has rights and in my mind deserves basic respect as a human being.

Hardly anyone fucks with cops, and it's true if you just take your tickets and don't speak up they will let you go about your business, but I think it is ridiculous to discount all the accounts people have of instances where police show a complete lack of integrity and respect and where one of us would probably get smacked in the face and stomped into the ground if we treated a police like that, when they do it to us it is 'oh they could have been a criminal and I was just doing my job'. 

How many times have policed overlooked this lack of integrity because of the supposed brotherhood they have?  Like racism, it is one of those things that everyone knows about, but when it comes to acknowledging it the tendency is for other people who are scared to speak up say 'hey lets just go about our lives because that's easier'.  If you cannot see how that attitude is dangerous, and how many times in history human dignity has been trampled because people were too afraid to unite against a bully, I don't think you deserve to call yourself an American. 

The principle that police should be held accountable like any other person is an important one, and I think it should be at the core of police policy and training.  It is totally naive and ignorant to think that if we just leave police to themselves, they will figure out what is best for us.  Everyone should have a say in this, and the fact that if you voice certain opinions to police it will cause them to treat you differently should be telling to you that there is a problem.

When I see a free-citizen or whatever stick to his guns and the police end up leaving him alone, I think that is great.  Sure, it is a cheap tactic filled with rhetoric that can be completely obnoxious, but that is a fitting response to me for a cop to come up and insist that he is not harassing you, and doesn't have probably cause to detain you or preform a search, and yet still will not leave you the fuck alone.  Their tactics suck too.

I think other than dumb kids and people who have been completely traumatized be police nobody really hates police, they just hate being harassed by police and having police who abuse the community and take advantage of their authority remain in positions of power.


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    #21993760 - 07/25/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Local and state police seem more abusive of power than federal police.

We should have abolished local and state gov and grew as a federal gov alone nation.





I feel the EXACT oppisite

I feel all local communities should be autonomous and self governing.

If the people can't govern their own communities they will loose all their voice in the way their community is governed...you will be living the life the feds want you to live, not a life based on the needs and preferences of your community.

.and if the people vote on a law, no federal force should be able to do anything about it...

I live in Denver, we voted to legalize marijuana, yet the feds are furious and always finding some snake like way to intervene, plus we are being sued by neighboring states...honestly, as far as I'm concerned the feds and those states can go fuck themselves, we voted, we used the system in the proper manor, we deserve our freedom.

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