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Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc.
#21984476 - 07/23/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi all,
So I got some Syrian Rue off eBay, it finally arrived and took friggen forever to pass through customs. This is what it looks like: 
Seems fine and like it is the correct stuff. Now I have never tried Syrian Rue before or any MAOI for that matter so not too sure what to expect, how much to take, and how much stronger it will make the mushrooms?
I have been thinking of eating 5g of Rue then I believe you need to wait around 30 - 40 minutes for it to start working before you can take your mushrooms (be it as a tea, whole etc.).
Does that sound about right? Also around how much stronger will the mushy trip be? Will it be roughly double or ??
Also someone mentioned that the Rue might make you throw up, is this true?
Is there anything I need to watch out for? I know there are some foods you should avoid as your body is unable to break down tyramine while the MAOI is in effect - I will google everything I plan on eating to make sure it is safe to eat. How long will the MAOI last? 6 - 8 hours? Can I then eat whatever I please after those 8 hours?
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: PsyCLown89]
#21984627 - 07/23/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have heard it can make the mushroom trip much stronger as to make 1g feel like 3. I'm interested in what everyone else says because I have been thinking about buying some. I have taken rue seeds with DMT before and it had a shroomy after glow for maybe an hour or two
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: PsyCLown89]
#21984806 - 07/23/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Huh I've never heard of this. This will be an interesting thread.
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: JacobStorm]
#21984846 - 07/23/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21765230/fpart/1/vc/1
....wierd....not what I expected.... I probably will try it again but not for a few months being that I have a bunch of cool outdoor stuff planned. Next time I will do the 225 milligrams of harmalas with with 3.5 grams of shrooms and see what that does!
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I would suggest experimenting with it by itself at first before the combo and watch your diet
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voodoochild1000 said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21765230/fpart/1/vc/1
....wierd....not what I expected.... I probably will try it again but not for a few months being that I have a bunch of cool outdoor stuff planned. Next time I will do the 225 milligrams of harmalas with with 3.5 grams of shrooms and see what that does!
Hmm, interesting... Kinda sad almost. You did an extraction on the rue where I am thinking of just eating it straight, as is. Wonder how much you need to extract around 225mg?
Also what effect does the MAOI by itself have and is there any sort of tolerance - how long until it resets (the tolerance).
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: PsyCLown89]
#21984998 - 07/23/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol....was a little sad.....
.... by itself it mildly psychedelic.... playful color washing behind closed eyes when I experimented I just made a brew out of the seeds but when I tripped I actually scored some pure extracted Harmalas from a friend .... which was encapsulated into a couple pills one that was about a hundred seventy five milligrams and then a bonus 50 milligram ate them about a half hour apart but should have just done the whole 225 up front. I cook down 3.5 grams of harm Allah in a brew with three half hour boils and concentrated down to about a shot glass! Stay hydrated! S*** dries you out
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: PsyCLown89] 1
#21985063 - 07/23/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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PsyCLown89 said: I have been thinking of eating 5g of Rue then I believe you need to wait around 30 - 40 minutes for it to start working before you can take your mushrooms (be it as a tea, whole etc.).
Does that sound about right? Also around how much stronger will the mushy trip be? Will it be roughly double or ??
Also someone mentioned that the Rue might make you throw up, is this true?
5g of rue is a lot IMO, there's no need to take that much and that's at the upper end of the most I'd ever take.....3g should be sufficient in providing the potentiation and synergy you're looking for.
I wouldn't wait any more than 30 minutes after taking the rue to take the mushrooms.
As for how much stronger the experience will be...it's hard tellin', but potentially twice as strong. Syrian rue brings a lot more than just making the experience stronger. The trip lasts considerably longer and there's also a certain aspect or "layer" that harmala alkaloids bring to the experience that isn't there otherwise. Much more immersive, the visuals are somewhat different too.
I'd suggest maybe trying the rue in a tea by itself before combining them with a psychedelic. Even smoking the seeds in a bowl will have an affect.
I've puked twice from syrian rue tea.....Something that doesn't happen everytime but I expect it to.
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voodoochild1000 said: I would suggest experimenting with it by itself at first before the combo and watch your diet
No need to watch what you eat, harmaline is a RIMA so the MAOI diet is unnecessary.
When mixing rue and mush definitely take less than 2g at first and build your way up from there.
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voodoochild1000 said: I would suggest experimenting with it by itself at first before the combo and watch your diet
No need to watch what you eat, harmaline is a RIMA so the MAOI diet is unnecessary.
When mixing rue and mush definitely take less than 2g at first and build your way up from there.
Rima...yes..... you're probably not going to die from hypertensive crisis but I would definitely go vegetarian for 24 hours and eat real lite the day of like melons and nothing 4 to 5 hours before! It's reversible but if you ate a bunch of s*** food and then the rue you could get pretty sick feeling
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: openmind]
#21985184 - 07/23/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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5g too much...3 to 3.5 will be fine.... most people describe a great potentiate but for me it just didn't turn out that way.... I ate my mushrooms at 40 minutes. Definitely has a certain feel to it! It shows you the fabric of reality! Lol
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Hmm, ok so 5g is a bit much you all say.
I will maybe try just 3g of rue sometime and see how that goes for me.
Reason I got the rue is because even when taking higher amounts of mushrooms I do not really seem to trip all that much more so am hoping the Rue can help me there.
Like a 2g trip vs a 4g trip for me isn't that much of a difference. Certain;y no difference in terms of visuals. So maybe I will do 3g rue and 3g mushroom tea after trying just the rue by itself.
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: PsyCLown89]
#21988464 - 07/24/15 03:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Most amazing combo I have ever come across, it happens to be my go to combination for delving deep into hyperspace, it takes me there without any doubts Absolutely beautiful and an added bonus is I don't have a shit ton of mushrooms in my stomach to go deep
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: Filterhead462]
#21988589 - 07/24/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psilohuasca is awesome, but dosing raw rue can be rather nasty To reduce nausea dont powder the seeds and make a tea, be prepared for the most vile taste you can imagine 5g is a heavy dose for potentiation, for your first time you should propably start with 3g Remember that the rue roughly doubles the potency of your shrooms, so calculate your dose accordingly
As an experiment you can also try dosing rue only, its certainly a psychedelic on its own but not too pleasant, 5g is a threshold 10g a serious trip
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: thoraxx]
#21989182 - 07/24/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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thoraxx said: Psilohuasca is awesome, but dosing raw rue can be rather nasty To reduce nausea dont powder the seeds and make a tea, be prepared for the most vile taste you can imagine 5g is a heavy dose for potentiation, for your first time you should propably start with 3g Remember that the rue roughly doubles the potency of your shrooms, so calculate your dose accordingly
As an experiment you can also try dosing rue only, its certainly a psychedelic on its own but not too pleasant, 5g is a threshold 10g a serious trip
Awesome!! Thanks for the info - so by itself 5g is threshold as a potentiator 5g is a lot. So what is the best way to make a tea from the Rue Seeds? Boil some water on a stove and drop them in and then reduce it a bit? Or literally like you would make tea? Hot water from a kettle into a mug and let it steep for a few minutes? How many minutes etc?
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: PsyCLown89]
#21989677 - 07/24/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't have experience with the seeds so I don't want to lead you astray but yea I think it's as simple as making a mushroom tea or any tea. My experience is mostly with pure harmala alkaloids that were extracted from Rue. If you can find Rue for purchase, you can find the harmala alkaloids. It's still cheap but more effective and easy to dose in a capsule. You can also extract the alkaloids yourself but it's kind of a lot of work for how cheap it already is.
And yea, expect double intensity. I took 2g with rue and blacked out. I've never blacked out from alcohol or anything before that experience so it was pretty weird. I remember going to the bathroom, then getting distracted by looking in the mirror. After 5 minutes of shifting faces I decided to leave the bathroom but wasn't aware I hadn't pulled my pants back up. Stumbled around the party half naked for a minute before a friend pushed me into my room. I wasn't able to process what was happening though until 30 minutes later. Each moment was layered into the next and memories of moments were extremely real to the point I was very confused where or when it was. Felt like I may have imagined the whole thing. I was pretty inexperienced with psychedelics at the time so I wasn't prepared for losing conscious control like that. Make sure you experiment in a safe place.
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: Icon]
#21993666 - 07/25/15 03:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just using a teabag or strainer for 10-20min works, the hardest part is keeping it down lol
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: thoraxx]
#21993772 - 07/25/15 05:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Interesting. I brought this same topic about 1 month ago or so.
I am still thinking in if waiting to shroom with syrian rue first or just wait for my ayahuasca ceremony coming in november. While I do not mind the puking part from ayahuasca, if I psilohuasca kind of prefer not puking.
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: thoraxx]
#21993831 - 07/25/15 06:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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thoraxx said: Just using a teabag or strainer for 10-20min works, the hardest part is keeping it down lol
Really? Even if you make a tea from the Rue?
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: PsyCLown89]
#21994014 - 07/25/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The nausea isnt too bad if you make a tea, its just hard to hide the vile taste Personally i often get sick just from shrooms alone, YMMV
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: thoraxx]
#21994256 - 07/25/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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thoraxx said: The nausea isnt too bad if you make a tea, its just hard to hide the vile taste Personally i often get sick just from shrooms alone, YMMV
Ahh ok, then I will probably keep down the rue as I have never thrown up from mushies. I find the taste of mushies to be quite bad as well so eh. Also hard to mask it
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: PsyCLown89]
#21995033 - 07/25/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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bought exactly the same package 
i did rue 4 times till now. here what i do: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21469251#21469251
my last experience: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21523931#21523931
pretty bad nausea the last time, but was gone after the come up.
good luck!
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5-HT2A-Agonist said: bought exactly the same package 
i did rue 4 times till now. here what i do: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21469251#21469251
my last experience: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21523931#21523931
pretty bad nausea the last time, but was gone after the come up.
good luck!
Thanks, that really helped me out!
Seems as if we both seem to have naturally higher tolerances. When I have gone for higher amounts of mushrooms I did not really notice much of a difference hence why I am turning to some Rue to see where it takes me.
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AkashicExplorer said: ....While I do not mind the puking part from ayahuasca, if I psilohuasca kind of prefer not puking.
Can I ask why you don't mind puking up ayahuasca, but prefer not to throw up psilohuasca ?
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Re: Rue & Mushies. What to expect etc. [Re: openmind]
#21998305 - 07/26/15 02:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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AkashicExplorer said: ....While I do not mind the puking part from ayahuasca, if I psilohuasca kind of prefer not puking.
Can I ask why you don't mind puking up ayahuasca, but prefer not to throw up psilohuasca ?
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I am taking a random shot in the dark now although perhaps since that it is known that when you consume aya you know there is a chance of throwing up however when consuming mushrooms the chance is very slim.
Sure it is now more of a brew and more like aya with the MAOI, although it is sort of still mushrooms at the end of the day. -shrugs-
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