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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22017796 - 07/29/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"I smart..."  :laugh2:


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Shpongle1]
    #22018001 - 07/30/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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"I smart..."  :laugh2:



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Shpongle1 said:
"I smart..."  :laugh2:



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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: leafing]
    #22025886 - 07/31/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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i'm MENSA




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From the Spanish,menso m. (feminine mensa, masculine plural mensos, feminine plural mensas)

1.(offensive, Mexico, Central America) foolish, dull
2.(offensive, Mexico, Central America) distracted, absent-minded
3.(offensive, Mexico) ignorant
4.(offensive, Mexico) inexpert
5.(offensive, Mexico) timid, shy
6.(offensive, Mexico) ingenuous, naive




My uncle's in mensa too, doesnt mean you are intelligent. Well-trained in arithmetic and tests yes but to state that membership qualifies you as smart is comical.

Sorry to flame but i hate when people drop their membership at a social club as a status of superiority. If you want to do that, join a country club. :shrug:



by definition it does mean i smart seeing as how it qualifies me as a genius


also i know what menso means im half mexican.



Being half Mexican qualifies you as necessarily knowing Spanish about as much as being a member of MENSA qualifies you as necessarily being genius...which is not at all.


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: dwnlw2slw]
    #22040149 - 08/03/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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i'm MENSA




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From the Spanish,menso m. (feminine mensa, masculine plural mensos, feminine plural mensas)

1.(offensive, Mexico, Central America) foolish, dull
2.(offensive, Mexico, Central America) distracted, absent-minded
3.(offensive, Mexico) ignorant
4.(offensive, Mexico) inexpert
5.(offensive, Mexico) timid, shy
6.(offensive, Mexico) ingenuous, naive




My uncle's in mensa too, doesnt mean you are intelligent. Well-trained in arithmetic and tests yes but to state that membership qualifies you as smart is comical.

Sorry to flame but i hate when people drop their membership at a social club as a status of superiority. If you want to do that, join a country club. :shrug:



by definition it does mean i smart seeing as how it qualifies me as a genius


also i know what menso means im half mexican.



Being half Mexican qualifies you as necessarily knowing Spanish about as much as being a member of MENSA qualifies you as necessarily being genius...which is not at all.



im in the top 1 percent


how am i not a genius again


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: leafing]
    #22040247 - 08/03/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Top 1% of anyone who has taken the test. Hardly 1% of the entire world.

There are people that have memorized the entire reference encyclopedia of NMRI spectrum peaks and can build one from scratch but they arent accounted for.

Then there is the whole debate over types of intelligence and the variability of test scores to add to the unreliability of that "1%"

All of this aside, mensa allows anyone in the top 2%. :lol:

Heres some quotes from other mensa members:

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Nautilus spoke with five present and former members of the society: Richard Hunter, a retired finance director at a drinks distributor; journalist Jack Williams; Bikram Rana, a director at a business consulting firm; LaRae Bakerink, a business consultant; and clinical hypnotist John Sheehan.

Together, they reflect on the meaning of genius, whether it can be measured, and what IQ has to do with it.

(RH = Richard Hunter, JW= Jack Williams, LB = LaRae Bakerink, BR = Bikram Rana, JS = John Sheehan)



Let’s start with the basics: Are you a genius?

RH: Ha! If you pass that test, all it proves is that you have a certain IQ. That is not the same as making you an intelligent person, never mind a genius. You can have a very high IQ and be a complete idiot.

BR: No! How different could I be from the 97th percentile? I think hard work is what really separates you from others. I don’t think you can be a genius without achievement. You know people at the very top work doubly as hard as 90 percent of people in the same profession. Take somebody like Cristiano Ronaldo. He probably works 20 hours more than someone who is outside the top-20 soccer players.

JW: I think being a Mensan means I’m good at logic, but that’s it. I don’t think I am worthy of the same term used to describe Einstein. Genius is moving something forward. Evolving.

JS: I don’t know. I’m not comfortable with saying I am a genius. I knew that the scores on my tests, very early in life, identified me as gifted. I finished high school at 14, and finished my undergraduate and graduate degree in college at 19.

LB: No. I think that’s kind of arrogant. I consider myself smarter than the average bear. I don’t look at myself as a genius. I think that’s because I see things other people have done, things they have created, discovered, or invented, and I look at those people in awe, because that’s not a capability I have. I have a really good memory and really excellent organizational ability, but I don’t consider those things genius. I see genius as creativity.




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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22321433 - 10/01/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Has anyone read the list of entities in the hyperspace lexicon.

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Hyperspace_lexicon#Entities


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: DustJuice]
    #22321450 - 10/01/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

thats a neato list


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: SleepyE]
    #22321643 - 10/01/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: DustJuice]
    #22324294 - 10/02/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Has anyone read the list of entities in the hyperspace lexicon.

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Hyperspace_lexicon#Entities






I have....and the first time I read over that list I was quite surprised to see lots of the "entities" I've encountered were described exactly to the "T" on that last. I had these experiences/encounters before ever reading about the specific various entities that seem to be somewhat common occurrences.


"Flirty Fairies: They resemble traditional fairies and often actually have wings. Flirty Fairies can appear more "nymphish" as well. They are fluid and transforming... slowly pulsing with light at times, but generally hold the form of beautiful women who are overflowing with beauty and joy... so much so that they can barely stay within their skins. They squirm and pose, bat their eyelashes, wink and play in a nearly burlesque fashion... often stripping for you. An interesting note about them is that they even do this for heterosexual women. In fact, it doesn't seem to be sexually motivated, but rather an expression or flowering of their essential beautiful nature (essential nature - BEAUTY). "

I've had encounters with one of these "fairies" 3 times or so, it always felt like it was the same one...and she was always stoked to see me. That description above describes the appearance and demeanor exactly....I always felt a telepathic like communication with this one too, which I won't elaborate and go into as that'll be a long ramble.






Hyperspace Jesters: Could also be called Harlequins or fools. They truly resemble medieval jesters and harlequins... however, they are not silly or foolish in any way. They tend to be hyper-intelligent and might be the male versions of the Flirty Fairies. They have a fundamentally different nature that they are trying to show off, though. They like to show you things... objects. Often flashing Hyperspace tarot cards at you which, on their own, can impart reams of information to you when you look at them.


I've had one single encounter with a jester/trickster....another friend of mine has had a powerful experience/encounter with a jester like fellow from smoked DMT, and another friend of mine has had an encounter with a jester from inhaling nitrous oxide whilst on LSD.


Here's a real interesting post by Vaipen in regards to the jester/trickster archetype/entity....ideas of which can run parralel to the other arcehtypes/entites encountered from dmt and other psychedelics>>>>>



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DMT, Clowns, Jokers


Since the Jester seems real to others, I take this aspect to be real and whether or not it is a deity or an entity or some part of our own psyche or perhaps a cultural or psychological archetype, well, that is what we are trying to find out.


The Trickster can be found in mushrooms and DMT. And maybe in other psychedelics as well. If so, please report!

History



The Trickster or Jester has a long histoty in our culture and I would like to know if anyone can tell me how far back it goes. Wikipedia has some information and I'll bring a few things over because they seem to resonate with me. I'll quote:

"In literature, the jester is symbolic of common sense and of honesty, notably in King Lear, the court jester is a character used for insight and advice on the part of the monarch, taking advantage of his license to mock and speak freely to dispense frank observations and highlight the folly of his monarch. This presents a clashing irony as a "greater" man could dispense the same advice and find himself being detained in the dungeons or even executed. Only as the lowliest member of the court can the jester be the monarch's most useful adviser."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jester

So why does this strike me as important? It is the irony that is mentioned. A psychedelic experience is by default a personal one and it holds enigmatic visions or contemplative concepts. It is sometimes so strange it defies all logic and ratio. There can be reason in it, but often of a kind barely translatable to ordinary consciousness; what seems reasonable in the trip might end up being totally ridiculous after the trip.
So what is conveyed to you during the trip can be considered advice, like a Jester's advice to the King. It can be an idea, a thought, a contemplation, a vision, a reality or a theme, maybe a challenge. Or perhaps a trick, a puzzle, a daring or invitation to ponder or a game.

It seems that the lure of the Trickster that invites the participant to be engaged in the setup can only be done by a Trickster aspect. That is to say, because the Trickster is recognized as such (he is harmless albeit mischievous), the seriousness of the endeavor proposed by the Trickster has its sting removed. Then we are more likely to engage him and see what he is got, like a person asked to come on stage by an entertainer, wary that something is going to happen and that the laugh will be at their expense.

So only the Fool can convey the most serious of messages. And since we are the one to initiate the game as we enter into The Trickster's  realm of influence, we are the King, the one that is full of ego as he sits on his throne demanding respect and humility from his subjects. We bring this ego into the trip. And there we lose it fast at level 5 trips at least.



Psychology

It seems to me that King's were no fools, no pun intended. They must have been aware at some point that their shielded royal life made them prone to being quick to anger and that in fact, most of their status was but an empty tomfoolery for the masses and that their continuation always hung in the balance decided upon by the goodwill of the commoners. Yet they wielded the power over life and death and maybe somehow the appearance of the Jester at the King's Court was their own way of keeping a sense of humility.

And so the trip is the information exchange between the aspect and the King. We enter into it because we seek answers. I know some do not, but that doesn't mean the Trickster won't be present. A King might not want to hear the news, yet the Trickster is gonna give it regardless and he can get away with it.

So it is through this metaphor that we are addressed. The aspect reaches us. And I suspect that the Trickster has a specific sort of information and logic would suggest that it is those things we may not want to accept. We are literally being 'fooled' and trapped into a paradox of being King and sovereign over what we choose to accept and the Trickster who's mischievous message cannot be ignored.



Archetype

So let me go on with exploring this idea of the Jester archetype. If he lives within what is its origin? The Trickster seems to be a paradox. He is the wise fool and it is sometimes hard to see when he is fool and when he is wise. He wears masks and dresses in bright primary colors.



Those colors remind me of the Echo Chamber I experienced but you could also associate it with the various mindscapes that we know, the bejeweled filigree patterns and streams. On non-breakthrough doses of DMT I can see how some objects start to show primary colored pinheads and I see that pre-peak on mushrooms as well, in that case as a 3D pervasion of my room, as in a matrix structure.

That the Jester wears such clothes hints to me at a deeply recognized and accepted truism about psychedelic experiences. So maybe the Jester is the aspect of the paradox, the one paradox that permeates all our most existential questions about the nature of reality and our own self-reflective consciousness. This is the haunting question that has followe mankind since the dawm of this self-awareness. That life is a trick, perpetrated by our own minds in its relation to the cosmos.

Therefore within the trip when we meet the Jester we are reminded not to believe anything we take for granted. that life is, as Buddhists call it, Maya, a form of illusion but one that does serve a purpose. Alan Watts talked a lot about Zen Buddhism and how life is a play. We can make many assumptions about life and reality but to be in the world is to have a great opportunity to explore ones' self-awareness and, basically, have a laugh. There is no need to over-complicate things, suggest the Jester, so he shows us tongue-in-cheeck that what we know about reality should be taken with a big grain of salt.

During the tip all barriers dissolve, that is what T. McKenna used to say, it dissolves boundaries. And so also the boundaries that normally shield us from the mad recognition that our ego's are rampaging around within us and doing us little good if we attempt to understand reality.

It is the same notion that we know from sages and guru's and other such so called 'enlightened' people. They seem to have a sense of humor. Because they know that with all our science and religion and ideologies we simply fail to see how easy things really are. And yet at the same time we complicate life so much that we scarcely can find a way back into our intuitive understanding. Alan Watts once mentioned that perhaps our consciousness is not so much a gift and that to keep things simple, like some animals in the wild would seem to be doing is actually a very enlightened way to be. In that respect, traditional cultures maybe smarter.

And those cultures still have shamans.

And so in this way, the shaman in traditional cultures could be regarded as a form of Trickster. They may divine and heal and play this trick on people with such conviction and antics that the Fool becomes Wise in the sense that the patient gets healed as if by a miracle: the suggestive techniques a shaman knows from his visionary states provided him with the expertise and folly to be able to convincingly address disease and problems in his society and since he is the wise fool, the audience will recreate reality to the intend of the shaman. And since the shaman aims to heal, reality will start to reflect that as well.

There is no difference between being a fool and being wise. And that is why these enlightened people laugh. They laugh at their own folly but realize profoundly that the foolery is as much  necessary to be wise, that is to say, to go through the long path to wisdom and taking no shortcuts because doing so would push the wisdom farther ahead. That must be a humbling experience.



Entity

The Trickster speaks to us at a deep (sub)conscious level. It seems so for me. :laugh: To meet him is to contact our human psyche and by no means does that mean it isn't a true deity or entity. If it lives inside us it is alive in a separate reality from our own. If this aspect is not of our own psyche, then surely the intelligence that it is must encompass has a relationship with our species. Perhaps in this case, the very idea or notion of 'trickery' found us when we first started to explore entheogens, back in the caves of between 30.000 and perhaps a 100.000 years ago, when we showed up on its radar.

Trickery might be an aspect of nature itself as well, because trickery is that evolutionary trait that allows a species to fool the hunter, so the prey may escape. In this case this entity is part of the Gaian Mind Or Anima Mundi. That too does not necessarily make it unreal.

But if our early ancestors became aware and became entrapped in the self-reflective state we are all in, using entheogens and explored trance states through singing, rhythmic dancing and so on and so forth, they opened up a doorway to an extra-dimensional intelligence and that by its own nature the Trickster has become embedded as an archetype within our minds. So the Trickster is the trickster because that is what it is to itself. It is not our perception or delusion in relation te reality, not a facet of our ability of humor and our self-reflective ability to observe our own folly.  No, in this case the Trickster is an entity that shaped our understanding and inserted itself in our psyche and plays the role of itself.



Mythology

This also strikes me as important:

"Many native traditions held clowns and tricksters as essential to any contact with the sacred. People could not pray until they had laughed, because laughter opens and frees from rigid preconception. Humans had to have tricksters within the most sacred ceremonies for fear that they forget the sacred comes through upset, reversal, surprise. The trickster in most native traditions is essential to creation, to birth."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickster

There is a lot of information on myth in relation to the Trickster. A worthy read surely. It is the word 'scared' here I wish to point at. In my Echo Chamber experience there is a sense of dpeth and sacredness. I think this is the original source of sacredness. When our ancestors gained access to these experiences they found this 'place' and encountered for the first time this particular feeling. It is a wonderful feeling. But think about for a moment what sacrednesses is and what it comes out of. We associate it in various ways, with religion, nature very special phenomenon or events that have great meaning to us. But this feeling must at some point have been unknown to our race.

So for us it is normal to have the feeling of sacredness, we can easily assign it. The first people to enter into a trance or trip and find this Echo Chamber, found the very first spark of what would turn out to be every religious and spiritual exploration of our species. They came down and discussed it and before language had even arrived, maybe they looked into each other's  eyes and saw that feeling reflected.













Circus Ringleaders: Not at all aloof like the Genii, these guys are all about showmanship. They are very much like the archetypal circus ringleader... often with coat and tails and a ridiculously cool top hat to boot. They may even have a baton, wand or fancy cane they use to direct your attention to one or another of Hyperspace's awesome vistas or announce a show being put on for your entertainment. They are shamelessly promotional, but like the other natives of Hyperspace... they are also hyper-intelligent, telepathic, and frankly miraculous.

I've ran into a ringleader like fella on one occasion, I describe that expereince as well as my enconter with the jester/trickster in this post>>>

DMT, Clowns, Jokers





Mother Goddess
A huge, bright, female goddess. Might be identified with Isis, or Mother Mary, yet transcending identification with these earthly identifications. Bright, really bright light, caring, loving, caressing all pain and all tears.

Two occasions that I've encountered what I can only describe as pure loving motherly presence...I could feel her swimming through my body and caressing every fiber of my being....Basically just as the description above.




Gods & Goddesses:
These beings actually do resemble various cultural archetypal godheads. There are Hindu, Egyptian, Mayan, Celtic, African and plenty of un-recognizable types.

I've seen what I can only describe as a hindu goddess of sorts, on a few occasions. As well as "egyptian-like" gods.






I've also had encounters, recently, with two (or maybe it was just one that kept splitting into multiple forms) "machine like things" that were moving around me quickly in playful sort of way, they were making audible chattering and clicking sounds as they moved around me....they were like "machine clowns" :smirk: , if I had to describe em' as something .


I don't know what to think of these experiences, I don't have any firm beliefs in anything and just keep an open observant mind about it all...some interesting food for thought, that's for sure. I also have many experiences with running into other entities during sleep paralysis and out of body type experiences that are catalyzed from SP....So not all of my entity encounters are "drug" induced.







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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: openmind]
    #22340141 - 10/06/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

http://dreamflesh.com/essays/clownpath/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heyoka

http://fractalenlightenment.com/25726/spirituality/the-path-of-the-sacred-clown-where-trickster-and-shaman-converge


This archetype has always intrigued me. Teaching through irony that life is not serious and should never be taken any more seriously than death. Death is guaranteed. Life isn't guaranteed beyond this moment of now.


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: nuentoter]
    #22348713 - 10/08/15 05:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I read a book on crazy wisdom and it wasn't that crazy (in your third article) seemed more like the no thinking of zen, wasn't joker like but the Heyoka sound intriguing.


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: DustJuice]
    #22354705 - 10/09/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm curious as to whether the entities inhabit the mind or if the mind interjects itself into the entities world. The dmt user is the one taking the action and changing things (at least on their end) so what it these entities are going forward with their normal existence and the use of things like DMT interjects us into their life/mind and not vice versa.


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: nuentoter]
    #22361963 - 10/11/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm curious as to whether the entities inhabit the mind or if the mind interjects itself into the entities world. The dmt user is the one taking the action and changing things (at least on their end) so what it these entities are going forward with their normal existence and the use of things like DMT interjects us into their life/mind and not vice versa.




This is I think the most natural conclusion.

I think a Zen monk would say they were already in the mind but I agree with your action point of view, we change into it's environment from ours.


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: DustJuice]
    #22368388 - 10/12/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Possible broadening of our natural energetic antennas spectrum. This aligns with my personal belief that things like yoga poses change the shape and alignment of this antennae we call or body.


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: motaman]
    #22645951 - 12/12/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Here's another video and of course check out the related videos. This one is entitled Discarnate Entities in the DMT Realm:


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: dwnlw2slw]
    #22660119 - 12/15/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Damn, I need to try DMT :lol:


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Magicman69]
    #22669584 - 12/17/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Two new books worth picking up if one is inclined to read about DMT research:

Mystery School in Hyperspace: A cultural History of DMT (2015)

Im a quarter of the way into this. Very well researched and a lot of stuff I didn't know or hadn't considered ( And I've read a lot on the subject). Great read.

Neurotransmissions: Essays on Psychedelics from break convention (2015)

Massive about of interesting stuff that can be read in short chunks because of the format. Andrew R Gillmore has fascinating essays at the beginning and end of the book on DMT.


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