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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: DustJuice]
#21987764 - 07/23/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think the idea of it being actual alien intelligence is way too far out to be the truth as well. A theory I had after smoking DMT a couple times was that MAYBE, what would be more likely anyway, is that maybe smoking DMT allows you to access endogenous intelligences. Our brain, our in tact consciousness or whatever, is able to recognize them as intelligences, separate from our own waking consciousness, so we feel like it must be an alien.
I mean think about it. Your body has its own separate intelligence from your waking consciousness. When you get a cut you dont think "Heal, heal, heal...". When you get certain bacteria or viruses in your body, you don't think "Shit, I need to send some white blood cells after that bastard!!" There is an entirely separate and "alien" intelligence INSIDE US aside from the one that we access on a daily basis. So maybe, DMT allows access to, or at least puts you in touch with, that separate intelligence in someway. And we are able to perceive that it is clearly a living intelligence.
Maybe the brain even occasionally anthropomorphizes this internal "alien" intelligence into a form we can understand as living and as life, because we clearly know that it IS the very foundation of LIFE, so on certain occasions our brain gives it the form of an animal, or goddess, a form that we can recognize as life since it has no real form of its own, and our brains might not be able to comprehend that this alien intelligence we encounter is actually US. "How can this other living intelligence be ME?", we would think. "I am the one thinking this thought, so clearly that intelligence I'm contacting cannot also be me, it must be alien!" It's too strange to comprehend that there is a very real, separate intelligence aside from our waking consciousness that makes up what our living self is, so we just understand it as being alien or from somewhere else.
That is just the theory that I came up with while I was bored at work one day trying to figure out what the few trips I took must have meant...
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Shpongle1]
#21987865 - 07/23/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I often see spirits in lucid dreams and in trips, both on LSD, mushrooms and Salvia
It's the same kind of spirits both on LSD and mushrooms for me
They can be very funny/wise too...
But those in my lucid dreams usually don't say anything, they're not the pleasant kinds. Those in trips basically transmit thoughts to my brain, or sometimes enter my body to 'teach me a lesson'
Haven't tripped in maybe a year or so though, but seeing spirits was just about everytime I took a 4g chocolate dose They would even overlap what I looked at, faint looking and hard to describe how they looked
But they would often speak , I got some very long conversation stored away somewhere :-P
I don't believe it is a good idea for science to go into this though, maybe it's real , maybe it isn't. If it is real, you probably shouldn't seek out spirits. It seems we meet the spirits of our own frequency, so if we are in the brain hell, we meet brain hell spirits. If we are in the joy of our hearts we meet joyful spirits.
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: lessismore]
#21987911 - 07/24/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I did learn from them though, and they helped me always where I was at, to raise my frequency slightly/a lot sometimes , a noticeable frequency adjustment everytime I spoke to them
Used to receive messages of some kind from them that helped me change my lifestyle and what I do
I'm sure someone has tried something like it, and the 90% that don't have probably thinks its crazy :-)
But very very clear very wise communication for sure. You know when you find a very good and friendly spirit. And you know if you find a very ugly one too (bad trip) with the possibility of severe depression after the trip that may infect your thoughts
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: lessismore]
#21988189 - 07/24/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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lessismore said: I often see spirits in lucid dreams and in trips, both on LSD, mushrooms and Salvia
It's the same kind of spirits both on LSD and mushrooms for me
They can be very funny/wise too...
But those in my lucid dreams usually don't say anything, they're not the pleasant kinds. Those in trips basically transmit thoughts to my brain, or sometimes enter my body to 'teach me a lesson'
Haven't tripped in maybe a year or so though, but seeing spirits was just about everytime I took a 4g chocolate dose They would even overlap what I looked at, faint looking and hard to describe how they looked
But they would often speak , I got some very long conversation stored away somewhere :-P
I don't believe it is a good idea for science to go into this though, maybe it's real , maybe it isn't. If it is real, you probably shouldn't seek out spirits. It seems we meet the spirits of our own frequency, so if we are in the brain hell, we meet brain hell spirits. If we are in the joy of our hearts we meet joyful spirits.
Spirits? I don't believe such a thing, just as when I smoke DMT I'm absolutely not inhabited by aliens... its in my opinion these equally have 0.0001% scientific validity.
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: dark3st]
#21988343 - 07/24/15 02:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here's your answer....straight from an extraterrestrial!!!
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: wakeINpeople]
#21988458 - 07/24/15 03:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ahh No, your just tripping
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Laughingcowwa]
#21988462 - 07/24/15 03:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would imagine most here have seen the movie "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" I've never tried DMT and I dying to try it out so I can chime in with my experiences. DMT is not a drug and is produced in the brain by the pineal gland.
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Laughingcowwa]
#21988902 - 07/24/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Laughingcowwa said: ahh No, your just tripping
This is not even close to an acceptable "answer" and is just such a lazy thought it doesn't even merit posting. Sorry to come off harsh but seriously. What does that even mean "you're just tripping". You're "just tripping" on your normal brain chemistry too. The chemical makeup of our brain, as decided by evolutionary success, is the one that allowed us the best chance for survival in the wild. Of course it was most important to be aware of threats that were right around us on this plane of existence. Altering this brain chemistry, whether directly through drugs or through other means, often shows us a completely different reality.
Saying "you're just tripping" is just ridiculously lazy and doesn't actually mean anything, it misses the entire point of the question. Serotonin helps us see this "reality", change the structure of serotonin slightly and ingest that, and you get thrust into an entirely different "reality". You could easily say you're "just tripping" on serotonin and other endogenous brain chemicals every day when you wake up.
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Shpongle1]
#21990037 - 07/24/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Someone good a good clue... , tripping is no less real than this reality necessarily
Any experience can be equally real, dreams,trips,obes,ndes,everyday reality,lucid dreaming
Real is just a trigger in the brain, forcing you to accept your reality It can be turned off just as quickly, so you realize your reality is fake. Am I dreaming now?
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: lessismore]
#21990050 - 07/24/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ever so slightly
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: lessismore]
#21990071 - 07/24/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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And I better remind you that real is what you believe is real, so real to people is what other people tell them is real usually and varies a lot from person to person, no person has the same 'definition of real', 'the same reality'
Real is our cultural framework
If you uninstall culture, you now support ufos, aliens , because you know nothing. No knowledge, empty mind.
If you install culture you know everything, so ufos and aliens don't exist, scientifically impossible. A conditioned mind that will fight for being right over others.
Science has to find the balance of knowing/not knowing.
We cannot know, that's a fact, it could all be an illusion and we would never know. We can't even trust our own thoughts often. The most logical people may be betrayed by their thoughts (ego). Realizing that you cannot know can be truly humbling, especially if you used to think you could know.
There is probably both a spiritual explanation for spirits and a scientific one. But it will be hard to tell what is right. Our shadow self can take any manifestation, and we can split our personality too into 2 , then we can talk to ourselves and hear what we always wanted to hear...
Doesn't mean spirits are not real though. Know nothing.
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Shpongle1]
#21990147 - 07/24/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shpongle1 said: I think the idea of it being actual alien intelligence is way too far out to be the truth as well. A theory I had after smoking DMT a couple times was that MAYBE
Read David Icke, he makes insane conspiracies look sane :-)
He says most people are aliens they just don't know, and only awakened humans are humans. Those that are not awakened, are not even human.

But it makes some sense of some sort, why have 90% of the earth forgotten themselves? There might be a spiritual cause, and only people who know themselves can see they have forgotten themselves. Possessed by their thoughts. They will do anything to get satisfaction in their thoughts, incl killing others, being better than others etc.
So are 90% of the planet alien reptilians ? - or just possessed
I guess any awakened person has wondered about that, why people think like they do, act like they do. That is not normal for the human soul. Something else has taken them over. Maybe their own culture, maybe an outside entity/program.
I think what he tried to point out was that this alien entity that has taken over humanity is using them for batteries like in the matrix, harvesting our emotional and spiritual energy. So spreading fear gives them power. It's the whole ego duality thing. Brilliant, but maybe with some grain of truth in it most awakened people would recognize, because most people are far from being themselves, they only spread hate and fear, live in fear.
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: lessismore]
#21990172 - 07/24/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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'If you can't see it, its not real' has always worked well in the past
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: lessismore]
#21990199 - 07/24/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I cannot see the earth is round... , not without sciences few 100s years of progress
But what you can see,taste,smell is your brain You cannot even trust your brain
There's a philosophical proof of that, your brain may delude you. All senses may delude you.
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: lessismore]
#21990225 - 07/24/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not to cause a trainwreck in here, but people knew the earth was round for thousands of years. Has nothing to do with modern technology. You can get the hint numerous ways and you can PROVE it out using any two structures that cast a shadow and are sufficiently far apart and the ability to measure that shadow reasonably accurately.
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: lessismore]
#21990234 - 07/24/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, it was just that appearances can be deceiving, surely the earth looks flat.
But take it at another angle and it looks round.
Maybe in another dimension, geometry has no meaning?
It's all how you perceive. Perception is our reality. That's why you cannot know, you may say the earth looks round for you in your reference frame. But if you travel near light speed the earth will actually change shape (lorentz contraction).
Time and space is relative to your time and velocity.
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: lessismore]
#21992065 - 07/24/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whatever that DMT stuff is, WOW. Im not sure if it was all the disney movies, the wall, and other psychedellic animations and art from my entire life span of viewing such art.
There was african bird god thing with colored orbs I saw something kinda like Vultron, or a transformer. I saw the funny alien writing with the sopwith camel and other funny symbols. Im currently pretty damned shooken from my last DMT trip, which I dont remember much about.
I'm scared to try it again even though I know it is completly safe.
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: motaman]
#21992532 - 07/24/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Drugs can be really interesting sometimes, as can the delusions they create. I've broken through a fair number of times, seen some pretty interesting shit. I've also had some really interesting experiences while I was dreaming. At the end of the day though, it's all just your brain experiencing changes in it's biochemistry. The drug isn't doing anything special, your brain is.
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: downlowfunk]
#21992599 - 07/24/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just want to say that I heard people talk about the 'machine elves', and I had heard some of the Terrence McKenna clips where he talks about them, etc. I really thought it was all either a far out joke I didn't get, or just some bullshit. Really, I pretty much just assumed it was bullshit.
That all changed when I was smoking DMT with my friend one time. I had smoked DMT probably around 50 times before this happened, and never experienced anything like a humanoid form during any of those trips. However, this time, at one point during my breakthrough, I came into this particular 'world' in hyperspace, and I was faced with a wall extending infinitely (or as far as I could perceive).
The wall was made of what seemed like hundreds of rooms which were all completely open on the side facing me. Each of these rooms had these 'people' in them. They DID seem busy doing stuff...I have no idea what. I do also remember perceiving them as have almost pointy heads or hats or something. They were not trying to communicate with me. (I don't think?) I do remember some of them turning and noticing me, though.
It was honestly the most bizarre experience of my life. Nothing else even comes close..ever since that I don't ever discount people talking about 'elves' or entities.. I don't believe they were made of 'language' or anything like some people say, and I don't know if those were the machine elves, or if they are in another universe, etc. I have no idea.
What I do know, is that I had one of those experiences, and I have never had anything even remotely similar happen to me on other DMT trips in the past.
I usually just get really fractally visuals, and if I take a mega dose I usually just black out and don't really remember it. The place where the people were was absolutely different, though. It was very solid and real feeling, there weren't fractally visuals. It was totally different.
So there, I admit it. I have joined the crazy side.
It happened years ago and I still can't believe I am saying that...
DMT is some pretty crazy shit...
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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
#21993264 - 07/24/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't sleep Sleep is for the weak There are such tame beings that dance in the dark
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