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Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users?
    #21984374 - 07/23/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users?

There is something strange, very strange, going on inside the heads of people using the fast-acting psychedelic. Machine elves, anyone?


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By Phillip Smith / AlterNet
July 20, 2015


Have you encountered stick men, machine elves or other discarnate entities while tripping brains on DMT? If so, you're not alone. The use of the powerful, fast-acting psychedelic dimethyltriptamine (DMT) generates reports of such entities on a regular basis.

DMT has been around for a long time, although it's never been that popular—and encounters with extradimensional critters may be part of the reason why. Back in the 1970s, it was known as "the businessman's trip" because you could take it at the beginning of the lunch hour and be back to normal it was time to go back to work. When smoked, the psychedelic effects begin almost immediately and fade away with half an hour.

It's also the active psychoactive ingredient in ayahuasca, the mind-melting tea concocted by Amazonian shamans and venerated by the Uniao Do Vegetal  (the Union of the Vegetable), a Brazilian church with some 15,000 adherents.

In an article in Psychology Today, Scott McGreal zeroed in on DMT's remarkable ability to allow its users to "encounter non-human intelligences, often resembling aliens." What's more, McGreal notes, citing the work of pioneering DMT researcher psychiatrist Rick Strassman, "some users come away from these encounters convinced that these entities are somehow real."

Strassman, who detailed his 1990s research findings in DMT: The Spirit Molecule,explained that under high doses of DMT, experienced volunteer subjects experienced rapid and overwhelming psychedelic effects, losing awareness of their surroundings and their bodies as the effects peaked at around two minutes. After the initial rush, the subjects were able to describe their continuing experience and generally reported visual imagery that could be seen with eyes open or closed; brighter, more intense, and more deeply-saturated colors, and kaleidoscopic geometric patterns.

According to Strassman, "about half" the subjects went even further, entering into what he called "freestanding, independent levels of existence" of a most unusual nature. There, they said they encountered intelligent "beings," "entities," "aliens," or "guides." They described them as "clowns, reptiles, mantises, bees, spiders, cacti, and stick figures."

Strassman isn't the only one to report such findings. Psychedelicist Terence McKenna also ran into those discarnate entities, which he charmingly described as "self-transforming machine elves."

And that repository of drug experience knowledge, the Vaults of Erowid, has an entire page devoted to Apparent Communication With Discarnate Entitities Induced By Dimethyltriptamine (DMT). It makes for some wild reading:

"I quickly entered into the trance state without noticing any great amount of the usual patterned visual hallucination," wrote one Erowid user. "I seemed to be falling away, spiraling into some large, black void, after which I seemed to be in a bright, open space in the presence of two other beings. Their forms were not very clear, but they seemed to be like children, as if we were together in a playground. They appeared to be moving very rapidly....The two beings seemed to be trying to attract my attention, and to communicate something to me, but I could not understand. It was as if they were trying to make me understand where I was. One even seemed to be holding up a sign, like a speech balloon, but, as I recall, the sign was blank. I attended to my breathing, and with this came an increased sense of self-identity, and with this a lessening of contact with the two beings."

"Smoked 40 mg of DMT wax spread over mint leaves as usual, sifting up leaning against a pillow," another reported. "As the trance came on I was overwhelmed with visual imagery that I did not even attempt to make sense of. I struggled to remember who I was.....I turned my attention to the visual component, and what I saw was an incredible amount of stuff coming at me in waves, sort of rolling toward me. There were two beings in the scene, and they were doing the rolling, definitely throwing all this stuff at me -- I don't know why. The scene changed, and there was more visual hallucination, but I don't remember the details -- all happening very quickly."

"I was in a large space and saw what seemed to be thousands of the entities," yet another reported. "They were rapidly passing something to and fro among themselves, and were looking intently at me, as if to say 'See what we are doing' ... I noticed what seemed to be an opening into a large space, like looking through a cave opening to a starry sky. As I approached this I saw that resting in the opening was a large creature, with many arms, somewhat like an octopus, and all over the arms were eyes, mostly closed, as if the creature were asleep or slumbering. As I approached it the eyes opened, and it/they became aware of me. It did not seem especially well-disposed towards me, as if it did not wish to be bothered by a mere human, and I had the impression I wasn't going to get past it, so I did not try."

"I saw the 'elves' as multi-dimensional creatures formed by strands of visible language; they were more creaturely than I had ever seen them before," another user chimed in. "The elves were dancing in and out of the multidimensional visible language matrix, 'waving' their 'arms' and 'limbs/hands/fingers?' and 'smiling' or 'laughing,' although I saw no faces as such. The elves were 'telling' me (or I was understanding them to say) that I had seen them before, in early childhood. Memories were flooding back of seeing the elves: they looked just like they do now: ever-shifting, folding, multidimensional, multicolored (what colors!), always laughing weaving/waving, showing me things, showing me the visible language they are created/creatures of, teaching me to speak and read."

Both Strassman and Erowid reported consistent themes around the discarnate entities. Subjects often reported that the beings seemed to waiting for them and would subject them to mind and body probes while communicating through telepathy, gestures, or visual imagery. Sometimes they entities seemed caring and concerned; other times they were emotionally detached, if not downright scary.

What's most intriguing about these reports is that people actually believe them to be real. They subjectively seem too real to be otherwise. It is difficult indeed to credit reports from users of strange drugs that they've opened a window into an alternate world/parallel universe/weird realm. Scientific method requires findings be based on empirical science—not the fever brains of trippers—but these "machine elves" only manifest themselves in the sensoria of people under the influence of DMT.

Perhaps it is only psychedelic mysticism. That appears to be Strassman's stance. Like many others entranced by the inner mysteries psychedelics can open up, he believes they can provide insights into the "deeper nature" of reality. That's not at all unusual among psychonauts, many of whom are convinced that there is a deeper reality behind our mundane existence, that there is an objective spiritual presence in the universe, or that there is life after death.

I don't know about that. But if you go tripping on DMT and encounter any discarnate entities, say hello to them for me. I'd like to hear what they have to say.



Phillip Smith is editor of the AlterNet Drug Reporter and author of the Drug War Chronicle.


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: motaman]
    #21984539 - 07/23/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: motaman]
    #21984548 - 07/23/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's all the same UNIverse. Whether they are agents of love or hate depends on the user. Read my testimony of Christ for my input.


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: motaman] * 3
    #21984839 - 07/23/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:facepalm:  Am I the only person who thinks the question of whether entities from another universe (temporarily I assume?) inhabit the brains of DMT users is the most ridiculous question ever posed in the history of mankind??  What idiotic poppycock.  The folks who propose this question, and those who seek to speculate on an answer are merely attention grabbing morons.

Who would even enter such a debate?  OMFG.  We have sunk to a new low in terms of the "effects" of powerful short acting psychedelics.  "Here man, take a hit of this DMT...a Gorbonian machine-elf from XALACACY Universe will enter your brain, show you shit and fuck you up!"  Good god I wish people would engage their brains before posing such idiotic claptrap.  I FLUSHED shit that was more valuable than this proposition after my morning coffee.  :lol:

Jesus H. Christ.  :facepalm:

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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21984929 - 07/23/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Apparently nature boy votes for entities being automatons of the psyche :grin:


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21985151 - 07/23/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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:facepalm:  Am I the only person who thinks the question of whether entities from another universe (temporarily I assume?) inhabit the brains of DMT users is the most ridiculous question ever posed in the history of mankind??  What idiotic poppycock.  The folks who propose this question, and those who seek to speculate on an answer are merely attention grabbing morons.

Who would even enter such a debate?  OMFG.  We have sunk to a new low in terms of the "effects" of powerful short acting psychedelics.  "Here man, take a hit of this DMT...a Gorbonian machine-elf from XALACACY Universe will enter your brain, show you shit and fuck you up!"  Good god I wish people would engage their brains before posing such idiotic claptrap.  I FLUSHED shit that was more valuable than this proposition after my morning coffee.  :lol:

Jesus H. Christ.  :facepalm:

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well nature boy  there is some physics to support the claim

do some research :nerd:


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21985205 - 07/23/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think this is an excellent question, being a DMT user myself.

It does actually seem, while you are recently affected, particularly if MAOI is used, that the entities and the space they inhabit are REAL things you have encountered simultaneously inside and outside your "self".  I've come upon some seriously life changing realizations under the influence of these compounds, and due to what seemed to me to be an actual benevolent external force.  By the way, for that very reason, it can be helpful to have a benevolent person hosting a ceremony and inviting you to it.  Then you can within yourself on all levels during the trip act like something external is healing you.

But I am of the opinion that things happening in people's brains on DMT, while certainly profound, are most likely solely the function of the brain, and not interference from an external source.  And of course one can argue endlessly about all the quantum physics-wormholes-extra-dimensions stuff being supportive of the hypothesis that DMT can cause consciousness to travel along these other dimensions, which while a plausible hypothesis, does not present itself as a higher likelihood than the more simple hypothesis about how people change their brain chemistry and consciousness changes accordingly to that alone.


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: leafing]
    #21985232 - 07/23/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It really bothers me when people take the "I can't perceive that so it must not be" approach.

There is a lot of scientific fact around perspective and neurotransmitters.

It makes perfect sense altering your neurotransmitters could alter how, what, and the amount of data you perceive.

What we can perceive is very limited so it is pretty close minded to assume there is nothing else beyond our perception


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: musiclover420]
    #21985356 - 07/23/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

^ @musiclover420 I've never experienced entity contact from a psychedelic but I did have some realistic hallucinations from diphenhydramine when I was a kid (awful nasty feeling drug if abused). I was talking to people who were alive but weren't actually in my presence at the time, I saw them & everything. That wasn't me seeing something there in reality that I normally wouldn't be able to perceive, I was just really fucked up lol.


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: PurpleHaze147]
    #21985711 - 07/23/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Achuma, Leafling (and any others who respond similarly):

You really should get a grip.  There's "out there" and then there's "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out there."  The proposition that entities from another universe inhabit the brains of DMT users falls into the later category.  You guys SERIOUSLY need to do a reality check.  And by the by...my grasp of physics is exemplary.  I have never once read a seriously proposed model of how the universe functions that would allow such a preposterous result.

For the record, I'm NOT going to debate this point or be drawn into a ridiculous argument that would take up even one additional moment of my time.  Anyone..and I mean ANYONE who would even consider such a proposal is not worth my time engaging in conversation.

The end.  I will now "hide" this conversation and spend my time with person's whose IQ's are at least in double digits.  For all you cretins and mathematically challenged out there...that means 10 or above.

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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21985755 - 07/23/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You are the only one saying they "inhabit the brains" I believe.

However that doesn't mean people could be perceiving things they normally can't.

That would actually make a lot of sense considering the nature of neurotransmitters and perception.


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: musiclover420]
    #21985853 - 07/23/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

its does say inhabit in the headline..


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21985922 - 07/23/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wow with the harsh and insulting replies.
If these things are multi dimensional, then I can imagine so.

An open mind is open to all possibilities, and afterall, the shamans believe so.
The ones who have used it for ages


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #21986022 - 07/23/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

intelligent species will always seek out drugs
our brains and bodies are so highly complex


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: motaman]
    #21986088 - 07/23/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:eek:  Maybe L Ron Hubbard and Scientology are not so crazy after all?


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Konyap]
    #21986143 - 07/23/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, haha!  I argue in favor of DMT trips being essentially a figment of the imagination, and Natureboy calls me a cretin, because he believes DMT trips are merely a figment of the imagination as well. 


I may be a cretin or something, but I'm a literate cretin who has no difficulty interpreting the things I read.

And I guess Natureboy is a cretin, because he thinks DMT trips are all in your head, just like I do!


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Achuma]
    #21986147 - 07/23/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I mean, can't we just agree to agree?

EDIT: I checked on NB's posts today.  Apparently he's just super butt hurt about life, the universe, and everything and thinks that everyone besides him is an asshole today. 

Get better nature boy!  I know, the few days after some heavy drug use can leave you feeling....sandy in the vagina area.  But hey, sand in the vagina makes the crabs feel at home!


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21986736 - 07/23/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Achuma, Leafling (and any others who respond similarly):

You really should get a grip.  There's "out there" and then there's "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out there."  The proposition that entities from another universe inhabit the brains of DMT users falls into the later category.  You guys SERIOUSLY need to do a reality check.  And by the by...my grasp of physics is exemplary.  I have never once read a seriously proposed model of how the universe functions that would allow such a preposterous result.

For the record, I'm NOT going to debate this point or be drawn into a ridiculous argument that would take up even one additional moment of my time.  Anyone..and I mean ANYONE who would even consider such a proposal is not worth my time engaging in conversation.

The end.  I will now "hide" this conversation and spend my time with person's whose IQ's are at least in double digits.  For all you cretins and mathematically challenged out there...that means 10 or above.

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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21987642 - 07/23/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

And who are you?? Lol jk the only reason I smoked dmt was following your STB tek :bow2: 

Yea I really can't put a word on the experience I didn't see "entities" it was a roller coaster of inter dimensional travel ie: meaning there are literally other dimensions that are possible to travel to. Idk Its really really hard to explain


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Re: Do Entities From Another Universe Inhabit the Brains of Psychedelic DMT Users? [Re: ICEMANOO9]
    #21987678 - 07/23/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure why this is in the news section. There's literally thousands of similar re-hashed articles popping up all the time that don't contain any new facts or evidence.


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