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5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain
    #21982855 - 07/23/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

hi everyone.

I've been thinking a lot about earths population lately. Not for one particular reason, but because i keep getting annoyed with different things that happen in modern times like invasive advertisement, government corruption, monetary systems... blah blah blah 
anyway I always like to try and come up with a logical solution to the problem and obviously the more i look into something the more complex it gets to come up with a quick and plausible alternative. I also get very annoyed about how we treat the planet and its residents. By the way, I'm not a green peace freak by far as you'll find out. its more about respect than anything.

so getting strait into it. I began thinking about the population of earth when i started to find that people were the problem. If you remove people then the problem insnt a problem anymore. Not just people in general but the quantity of people. so as you do i googled that shit and I discovered that the earth as it stands with around 7 billion people is already using 50% more resources globally  than the earth can create. there's around 5 times more people on planet earth than it can sustain.
so curiously i looked deeper into it. turns out we're all proper fucked. It should be a major global crisis but it seems we're kind of all not really doing too much about it. which is cool too. But you should know these figures.
The peak threshold of earth is believed , by scientists studying this field, to be 10 billion people (bearing in mind the huge jump in humans on earth in the past century) at which point a cataclysmic event would happen. i think they called it positive and negative effect.
in a nutshell. positive effect would be a global extinction event that would cull the population of earth brought on by nature. the US government and many others are becoming more concerned about the increased threat of viral epidemics such as smallpox. which in modern times  would kill a large amount of population, and its actually not too far away. apparently.
negative effect is basically human interception. population control. which isn't far off either. in fact china already does it and surprisingly a lot of other countries too. but for example the UK is at bursting point. at what stage will it be full? cant be far off.
but either way when we reach 10 billion people the will be problems. food shortages. we're already eating more food than can be created.  overpopulation leads to more diseases and infections. quality of life goes down as the resources get spread over a wider population. nature and other animals have literally pretty much got no real nature left as it is and the extinction rate of animals since we started spreading has gone up from about 5 a year to 10,000 a year now. thats more than 12 a day going extinct directly linked to us and our impact on the environment.
but lets get  bit deeper.
according to quite a lot of online study, (sorry for no links, its from days of random searching) 
oil is set to deplete by 2050
coals all good for another 140 years
gas gone by 2070
uranium gone by 2080. there goes the electricity
lead as early as 20 years from now
zinc gone by 2030. isn't that used to make batteries?
copper - 2050

it sucks but it looks like over the next 200 years we're going to see some crazy shit.
which got me thinking. most of this stuff is going to go within my lifetime. hopefully for me lol and thats shit and I'll tell you why.
imagine looking at earth from you nice shiny alien craft. oh your an alien by the way. your job is to preserve the universe. big job but anyway today your hovering above earth and checking the place out. you see all of the shit that is happening to the ecosystem and the planet/population as a whole and you know its down to humans. i would deal with the problem as an alien and cull the spreading and infection to the habitat that humans have. as an alien! i actually like people :smile: which means unfortunately we are the problem in large numbers. and lets not forget that robotics have come a very long way. you dont really need all these people anymore. it can all be automated and they dont need all that much to run unlike us.
which got me thinking about negative effect and human population control on a mass scale. using a virus. NO I'M NOT AN EVIL GENIUS WHOS ABOUT TO DESTROY THE WORLD! so chill. but using a virus created in a lab and genetically modified  for its desired effects, death on mass, you could successfully in a matter of months nock humanity back a peg or two. 4.5 billion people dead that is at today's population (which goes up at a exponential rate currently at 75 million a year).
so it really does suck a lot for all of us because that got me to my final thought before writing this.
I dont have a lab or experience in anything scientific. i fucked up a pot noodle once you know.
but if humanity waits for nature to make a virus that we dont have the antivirus for we  could all be fucked. but if they pre-empt natures move and make their own virus. they can antidote the important population and guess what! we're not rich enough to get a ticket on that train!
so what you'll have is the rich and powerful controlling all the wealth and us all the way down here will die from an "unknown pandemic from a monkey who fucked a goat and sorry there's no cure". I dont want to die from monkey goat disease  lol. but seriously if they did decide to pull that stunt. which they've done loads of them in the past anyway, it'll happen in the next 100 years. probably a lot sooner. im thinking maybe 50.
maybe thats why America have a mass bunker building program. hmmmmm.

get tripping on that shit... food for thought :smile:
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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: losthunter]
    #21982858 - 07/23/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's a whole lotta words there friend.


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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: losthunter] * 1
    #21982863 - 07/23/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

eh its not that there is too many people, its that we waste too much shit.

Earth can handle a lot more people.


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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21982864 - 07/23/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i know took forever to write :mad2: time for a joint


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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21982865 - 07/23/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Should I just eat a bullet now then


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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21982873 - 07/23/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

hey that could be fun right? like the final level 5 trip? kinda cool :grin:


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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: Rebelutionsssss] * 1
    #21982877 - 07/23/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I just like the fact that he used real math and science to back it up. He didn't just type a gigantic block of text consisting mostly of crazy talk and speculation out of his own ass.


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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21982883 - 07/23/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

its the pub section mate. just an interesting topic. no need to get your feather's ruffled lol


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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: losthunter] * 1
    #21982890 - 07/23/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nuke the whales


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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: losthunter]
    #21982893 - 07/23/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am flirting with a ban already. I will quell my response which originally included both the phrases "limey fucks" and "no sense of humor"

Enjoy your thread. Mate.


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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: SteveRogers] * 1
    #21982904 - 07/23/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sometimes I leave car idling all night so it's warm in the morning


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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: SteveRogers]
    #21982906 - 07/23/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Is the ban cute?


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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: Zombi3]
    #21982919 - 07/23/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

so did moose really pm you?  what was your answer?  im sure she'd cut u in on some of the money it makes her


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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: teamkiller]
    #21982984 - 07/23/15 02:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with teamkiller.

I don't like it how everybody talks about saving planet earth. No,we can't destroy it that easily.
We'll just destroy mankind. We aren't talking about Pluto or Mars. It's about us- you and me. We're gonna get fucked.


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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: Capt. Stern]
    #21983114 - 07/23/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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we're already eating more food than can be created



:hmm:

The premise of your thread is quite valid, though - our present growth is not sustainable. Technology has already allowed our population to grow far beyond what would be sustainable by natural means alone.

Our economic systems depend on population growth, and unless we figure out a way to make a shrinking or steady population economically sustainable, we will probably just keep expanding until the bubble bursts and a significant percentage of the human population dies off in a short period of time.

Things could get ugly very fast.

I suspect we will just keep acting like fossil fuels will last forever, and within a few years sources will fail and without fossil fuels the earth cannot sustain a population even at the size we have now.


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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: koods]
    #21984289 - 07/23/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Teamkiller, we can only handle more people if infrastructure is modernized, we're barely at a scale better than ancient roman and greeks.

This has all been covered lengthily, Look into esoteric agenda and zeitgeist.

For example, the georgia guide stones and the murals in the Denver international airport.

Its all the fault of the american democratic/republican system of thought, they vehemently oppose socialist ideology, its why WW1 and WW2 came to pass, it was all in attempts to stunt ethical and ecological progression, some of the programs (though a little evil in nature; killings gays and jews) the nazis were pro eugenics, they gassed the jews because they bred out of check like alley cats and ate up capitol resources, same as mexicans are doing in America and turks are in western Europe currently.

So after WW2 we had this mentality that all was well, G.I.'s came home (and a bunch didn't, leaving bastard children behind starting a stigma of kids with daddy issues) had more kids, bought houses, white picket fences, cars - and its been on like donky kong since then.

So we want to protect freedom to breed out of control and our complex beuqacratic system that allows this kind of behavior, millionaires skate by without consequences for decades lobbying and feeding the puppets to make their crimes against humanity legal like a murderer appealing the death penalty on death row.

But if you dig deep enough you see that there is two possible outcomes; (1. They want more and more birth certificates like properties in the game monopoly, these people/organizations/government's want you to procreate, food quality gets worse as GMO tech gets better and better, they keep you just barely healthy enough to work a stupid useless job just enough to barely get by and purchase this chemically marginal food, buy gasoline, houses, get further in debt so they have more money to fuel the war machine and create more fear to further thier agenda = complete human slavery - do you know that the city,county,state government gets something like $1000 per person incarcerated? You know how much money it costs to house that one person? something like $2 a day.
(2. they want to reengineer society to have humans live in concentration camps completely isolated from nature, in maximum security super cities people living even closer together than they do in japan. this is suggested in esoteric agenda - and frankly it doesn't sound so bad; humans should be cadged, we are shit creatures.

We should't be allowed to be in control of our own lives, we just fuck everything up. Look at human history, can you find any instance where humans have ever benefited the world ecosystem EVER????


Refrences:
Esoteric Agenda - Full Documentary

KYMATICA (Esoteric Agenda 2)


UNGRIP (the dude that did Esoteric Agenda and KYMATICA)


ZEITGEIST (2007)


ZEITGEIST: addendum (2008)


ZEITGEIST: moving forward (2011)




Alternatively torrent download if you fucking hate youtube like me.

Zeitgeist 2007
TPB Zeitgeist - Addendum 2008
TPB Zeitgeist - Moving Forward 2011
TPB Esoteric Agenda
TPB Kymatica (2009)

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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: drege]
    #21984388 - 07/23/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Guess I'd have to eat coals, drink coal juice, have a coal face wash, wipe my ass with coals and put some coal balls in the christmas tree as it is the only resource I'll have left if I live to see my 93rd birthday.


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Re: 5 x more humans on earth than it can sustain [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21984493 - 07/23/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

THe population will stagnate at around 10 or 11 billion people given the current average birth ration of the planet.


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