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NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow * 2
    #21982084 - 07/22/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

E.T. Dinos, advanced human like species, crazy new alien technology fueled by a new to us kind of E.T. fuel not known on our planet which enables traveling at the speed of light, portals, cool new plants and mushrooms, all that jazz

http://www.space.com/30021-nasa-unveiling-kepler-exoplanet-discovery-thursday.html

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NASA will unveil a potentially exciting discovery on Thursday (July 23) regarding the search for alien planets.

In a teleconference at 12 p.m. EDT (1600 GMT) tomorrow, the space agency will announce new findings made by the planet-hunting Kepler Space Telescope. You can tune in to the announcement live via an online audio feed provided by NASA. A statement from NASA announcing the teleconference did not provide any additional details as to what new information will be unveiled.

"Exoplanets, especially small Earth-size worlds, belonged within the realm of science fiction just 21 years ago," according to the statement NASA statement. "Today, and thousands of discoveries later, astronomers are on the cusp of finding something people have dreamed about for thousands of years -- another Earth."

Participants in the teleconference will be John Grunsfeld, an associate administrator for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington; Jon Jenkins, Kepler data analysis lead at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, California; Jeff Coughlin, a Kepler research scientist at the SETI Institute in Mountain View, California; and Didier Queloz, a professor of astrophysics at the University of Cambridge, United Kingdom.




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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21982097 - 07/22/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

do not care until wider coverage.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: akira_akuma] * 7
    #21982111 - 07/22/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus] * 1
    #21982127 - 07/22/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

lol, exactly.

look, they reveal more than "potentially exciting news" then i'll get excited. we've found planets that can support human life, and we'll continue to find them.

i see nothing in that article resembling "alien life" or "space fuel for portals".

no offence. i am not even being skeptical here, just being patient, if anything.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #21982176 - 07/22/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I agree with akira


It even says at the end that the sattelite has discovered nearly 5000 potential plants, and a bit over 1000 are confirmed to be within the guidelines of "habitable"



And like akira said, if they reveal something actually interesting, then we're talking. Until then, this is old news from the sounds of it


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Gottaloveacid] * 2
    #21982199 - 07/22/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:blah::blah::blah::blah::blah::blah::blah:

prepare your assholes for the aliens pubbers

:alien:


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21982218 - 07/22/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i hope so. no blahs involved. i hope it's like really re-evaluating and stuff.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus] * 5
    #21982224 - 07/22/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

SENSATIONAL HEADLINES

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21982233 - 07/22/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:grin:


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus] * 1
    #21982255 - 07/22/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

E.T. BUTTRAPEAPATAMUS

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21982298 - 07/22/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That would make for a mighty fine villain in a superhero story :takingnotes:


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus] * 1
    #21982327 - 07/22/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

"Are you guys gonna probe my anus?"

"Nah, that technique has been discontinued"

"...well do you still have the thingy?"


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21982555 - 07/22/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

lol the aliens are here on earth

theres nothing out there but fairy dust


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: zZZz]
    #21982660 - 07/23/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Spore

that's what I imagine

but in reality
staring into deep space in an asian mans eyes

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21982674 - 07/23/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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lol, exactly.

look, they reveal more than "potentially exciting news" then i'll get excited. we've found planets that can support human life



:orly:


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #21982676 - 07/23/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

potentially. with many a circumscription and advancement.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #21982679 - 07/23/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It is interesting that one of the presenters is from SETI.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods] * 1
    #21982704 - 07/23/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

oh man, whoa, Microbes!1

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21982717 - 07/23/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #21982732 - 07/23/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I just read up a bit on Kepler and it turns out its only instrument is a photometer, which detects only the brightness of distant objects. They are able to detect the presence of planets by measuring the changes in brightness emitted by distant stars, but AFAIK we have no way of actually seeing the details of any given exoplanet. They have discovered 3 "earth like" planets so far in terms of their being in the habitable zone of their star system. I wonder what they will be announcing tomorrow.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21982753 - 07/23/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Binary code sent as small variations of the brightness of a distant star.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #21982767 - 07/23/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hasn't that already been announced though?


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21982789 - 07/23/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Hasn't that already been announced though?




I think you know what this is about:


“The eugenics, trans-humanist cult wants to confuse the general species ahead of rendering us down and removing us. The plan is an asexual humanoid, even if they decide to keep us around, stated in hundreds of textbooks.”

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #21982965 - 07/23/15 02:04 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: brokentv]
    #21982974 - 07/23/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe this it the "IT" that Asante has been :blah: about


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #21983086 - 07/23/15 03:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

BlindSophist said:
Hasn't that already been announced though?




I think you know what this is about:


“The eugenics, trans-humanist cult wants to confuse the general species ahead of rendering us down and removing us. The plan is an asexual humanoid, even if they decide to keep us around, stated in hundreds of textbooks.”

- See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/alex-jones-endgame-lgbt-movement-asexual-humanoid-and-human-extermination#sthash.ZSi2ZH7O.dpuf




:thatsinteresting:


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21983164 - 07/23/15 05:14 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:prettyflyforawhiteguy:  :ohsodevious:


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
    #21983172 - 07/23/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I got all excited and spent the night watching alien & UFO videos.
I was about to lay down about 10 minutes ago (little after 5 am) and I heard a noise right outside by my deck...
Don't think sleeps happening for me.
Less than 5 hours to go til the announcement (:


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus] * 3
    #21983354 - 07/23/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

holy crap I wish I was there with you to witness the look of utter disappointment.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #21983491 - 07/23/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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holy crap I wish I was there with you to witness the look of utter disappointment.




I'm trying to picture it. I wonder what he's going to post about it.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: healing]
    #21983741 - 07/23/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

rumor is the planet has an earth similarity index of 0.98

more to cum in 44 minutes


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21983909 - 07/23/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

conference is about to begin - http://www.nasa.gov/news/media/newsaudio/index.html
They got some funky ass waiting music over at NASA (:


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21983960 - 07/23/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

dude holy shit this is incredible
also
uuh oh
live feed just got shut down.... :tinfoil:


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21983965 - 07/23/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

been down for like 3 minutes now holy shit what the fuck
nasa can find alien planets but not work a live feed?
yeah fucking right
this is fucked
what the fuck
they're being censored


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21983967 - 07/23/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

it's back
dude's probably gotta gun pointed at his dick though
he sounds nervous


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21984012 - 07/23/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I bet NASA "sorta-kinda, maybe, might have found suggestive evidence, that could possibly, remotely, and slightly indicate" that there is a "small chance", there may have been carbon on a planet 20 trillion light years away.

They'll have a pinpoint image of light to verify their findings, then request more funding.

bullshit as usual.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: badchad]
    #21984023 - 07/23/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It may be pota's home world


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: badchad]
    #21984043 - 07/23/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I bet NASA "sorta-kinda, maybe, might have found suggestive evidence, that could possibly, remotely, and slightly indicate" that there is a "small chance", there may have been carbon on a planet 20 trillion light years away.

They'll have a pinpoint image of light to verify their findings, then request more funding.

bullshit as usual.





l0l, you clearly didn't watch/listen

it's literally another earth with an additional 5% more day everyday! Think of all the nap opportunities!
It's glorious!


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21984059 - 07/23/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

thanks potamus. 

hadn't heard about this
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21984069 - 07/23/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry 'Potamus, but your alien rape fantasies won't be confirmed today.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: badchad]
    #21984079 - 07/23/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I bet NASA "sorta-kinda, maybe, might have found suggestive evidence, that could possibly, remotely, and slightly indicate" that there is a "small chance", there may have been carbon on a planet 20 trillion light years away.

They'll have a pinpoint image of light to verify their findings, then request more funding.

bullshit as usual.




It's kind of like the planet is sorta kinda like ours, but it's not like ours-like ours... if you get what I'm sayin'

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Konyap]
    #21984095 - 07/23/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Even if it's not full of life it's still a cool discovery!


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Konyap]
    #21984112 - 07/23/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

dude
nasa's hinting at sending telescopes out to space

the future is fuckin awesome

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Sorry 'Potamus, but your alien rape fantasies won't be confirmed today.



I can make that happen any day  :mushroomgrow:
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I bet NASA "sorta-kinda, maybe, might have found suggestive evidence, that could possibly, remotely, and slightly indicate" that there is a "small chance", there may have been carbon on a planet 20 trillion light years away.

They'll have a pinpoint image of light to verify their findings, then request more funding.

bullshit as usual.




It's kind of like the planet is sorta kinda like ours, but it's not like ours-like ours... if you get what I'm sayin'



it's about as close in similarities as it can be


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21984117 - 07/23/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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E.T. Dinos, advanced human like species, crazy new alien technology fueled by a new to us kind of E.T. fuel not known on our planet which enables traveling at the speed of light, portals, cool new plants and mushrooms, all that jazz




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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: healing]
    #21984129 - 07/23/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

it was implied


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21984152 - 07/23/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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l0l, you clearly didn't watch/listen
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I didn't, but did read the NASA press release.

So this sucker is

60% larger than earth, 5 percent further from its sun, older than earth, and its mass and composition are "not yet determined".

But they're both spherical, so yeah, totally like earth.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: badchad]
    #21984172 - 07/23/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

its only 5% farther from the sun?? wtf, how haven'f we discovered it before?

it uses the same sun that we use right?


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: healing]
    #21984279 - 07/23/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

About kepler planets, I've wondered how they have been determining the chemical composition of these exo-planets.

I don't see how through measuring the duration and intensity of the light being dimmed as the planet passes in front of the star can tell them anything more than the things discussed in the following sentence. They are able to determine that the planet is there, and it's size, and it's distance from the star, but that's all they can possibly know , right?

what could they  be using to determine the composition of an exo-planets surface and atmosphere?

We can determine chemical composition of the atmospheres and surfaces of other planets by measuring spectrums off of the light the reflect back from the planet's surface as the star shines light on it (spectral analysis) every element has a specific chemical signiture, so by using spectrosopy, the science of analyzing chemical structure through reflected light, we can easily determine chemical composition regarding local planets.

But how are they doing this with planets light years away only known to exist by its star dimming slightly as the planet passes in front of it? Can they even do this? If not than why make headlines when all your doing is speculating based on a minimal amount of dry data?

(This is off topic, by why did the Russians give up on gong to the moon? America got there first so they just quit? We're they unable to develop the technology?

...another quick question:

why has the United states never returned?

Why hasn't any other country gone to the moon?

Sorry if these are stupid questions, it just bothers me that's there is only one single source of footage of people landing on the moon. There is only one source for everything we know about putting a human on another planet. Which is NASA. It would be amazing to have another moon landing tape from someone other than NASA, specially with modern technology, it won't look terrible when filmed and broadcast with modern technology. (Did they even have digital calculators in the 1960s?) it would be amazing to see what explorers other than NASA could produce. NASA is not a civilian exploration and research agency, it's a branch of the military/government, they are not in any way obligated to tell you the truth, they can classify information, they are not an objective scientifical institution, though they present themselves to be something similar. I can't wait until civilian space exploration is possible.)


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Sheekle] * 2
    #21984365 - 07/23/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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its only 5% farther from the sun?? wtf, how haven'f we discovered it before?




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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #21984589 - 07/23/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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it was implied




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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #21984811 - 07/23/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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its only 5% farther from the sun?? wtf, how haven'f we discovered it before?




I love you the way you love ur brain damaged cat.



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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #21985019 - 07/23/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i didnt choose his name


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    #21985067 - 07/23/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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dude
nasa's hinting at sending telescopes out to space

the future is fuckin awesome






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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #21985071 - 07/23/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

. . . hubble?


I thought she was joking :lol:


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #21985083 - 07/23/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Its really hard to tell


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #21986656 - 07/23/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Good thing Stephen Hawking and Yuri Milner just put 100 million into the new research project to find E.T.'s!

http://m.csmonitor.com/Science/2015/0723/You-can-help-discover-aliens-with-your-smartphone.-Here-s-how


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #21986688 - 07/23/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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. . . hubble?


I thought she was joking :lol:



Think he might be talking about this
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
    #21986756 - 07/23/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So what did they announce


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21986787 - 07/23/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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About kepler planets, I've wondered how they have been determining the chemical composition of these exo-planets.

I don't see how through measuring the duration and intensity of the light being dimmed as the planet passes in front of the star can tell them anything more than the things discussed in the following sentence. They are able to determine that the planet is there, and it's size, and it's distance from the star, but that's all they can possibly know , right?

what could they  be using to determine the composition of an exo-planets surface and atmosphere?

We can determine chemical composition of the atmospheres and surfaces of other planets by measuring spectrums off of the light the reflect back from the planet's surface as the star shines light on it (spectral analysis) every element has a specific chemical signiture, so by using spectrosopy, the science of analyzing chemical structure through reflected light, we can easily determine chemical composition regarding local planets.

But how are they doing this with planets light years away only known to exist by its star dimming slightly as the planet passes in front of it? Can they even do this? If not than why make headlines when all your doing is speculating based on a minimal amount of dry data?

(This is off topic, by why did the Russians give up on gong to the moon? America got there first so they just quit? We're they unable to develop the technology?

...another quick question:

why has the United states never returned?

Why hasn't any other country gone to the moon?

Sorry if these are stupid questions, it just bothers me that's there is only one single source of footage of people landing on the moon. There is only one source for everything we know about putting a human on another planet. Which is NASA. It would be amazing to have another moon landing tape from someone other than NASA, specially with modern technology, it won't look terrible when filmed and broadcast with modern technology. (Did they even have digital calculators in the 1960s?) it would be amazing to see what explorers other than NASA could produce. NASA is not a civilian exploration and research agency, it's a branch of the military/government, they are not in any way obligated to tell you the truth, they can classify information, they are not an objective scientifical institution, though they present themselves to be something similar. I can't wait until civilian space exploration is possible.)


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The chemical compositions of the atmospheres of other planets is simple to figure out (not to people like me and you obviously, but luckily science can be dumbed down enough for even people like us to understand), though incomplete. When you shine white light through elements, they give off certain colors of the wavelength, when the star has a planet pass in front of it, light shines through the atmosphere and they can use sensitive equipment to pick up on what wavelengths are being portrayed around the planet, and while incomplete, it gives them the general makeup of the atmosphere itself, since the most abundant elements will show more of the that color. Sorry if this was a little funky, I'd have to link the article to explain it in detail and don't have time now, as we have technological innovation and advancements, we will be able to use this to determine whether actual life is on another planet. The surface on the other hand, I can't remember how they figure out, I read about it before but it's been a while.

I remember it being because there is the element oxygen which is created while a star is dieing, it's one of the top 8 most abundant elements in the universe I believe as well , but there is different compositions of it (again, might have terminology off, but just trying to paint the picture for you), only life gives off a certain type of oxygen, which I'll call oxygen two (I remember it was the atomic symbol for oxygen squared I believe), when we have technology advanced and sensitive enough to pick up these differences, we can use the light passing through the atmosphere of a planet to determine whether it has oxygen 2 in it, which would verify that there would have to be life on that planet producing it.

To your other points, the moon is not a planet and we haven't put a human on another planet, Yes they had calculators whether they were digital, I believe so, but my dad tells me were commonly referred to as "adding machines" and I still hear old timers use that phrase today. We have the technology for civilian space exploration, the problem is funds, and whether it is considered worth it.

The amount of money needed to invest in a project such as that, would be many many years before it would even be possible to return a profit on it.

The United States did return to the moon, a number of times, they stopped because of funding, the only reason we went in the first place is because during the cold war we were afraid of Russia gaining the high ground, especially after they released sputnik, we only ever went, out of fear.

Cold war and other wars ended, most likely leaving a government seeing it as a waste of resources to continue going back. It might be because we went that Russia and them never did, it was a space race after all, and we won that race.

We've been to the moon, if you had the money, you could buy a particular type of laser that can calculate the angle of, shoot at the moon, and it will bounce off plates placed in a certain position by the people who went within about a second or so, they actually used this technology to determine the exact rate at which the moon is moving away from us I believe.

From me and your viewpoint, it makes no sense to not go back to the moon, the government on the other hand probably thinks it makes a lot of sense not to go back especially if it isn't profitable. It's a shame though, the amount of our taxes that goes towards the space program is shameful, considering that space exploration is the greatest thing humans are capable of and already have the potential of doing. If even like one penny on a taxed dollar went to the space program (which is over half of what it is now), we could basically have the funding to send people to mars within 10 years and attempt to start colonizing it.

We'll go back to space though, don't you worry about that, all we need is china to say they're going to mars or getting ready to set up a colony on the moon, if that happens we'll be there so fast your head will spin.

This link can start you in the right direction http://www.universetoday.com/92962/how-well-can-astronomers-study-exoplanet-atmospheres/ and explains how they discover the makeup of exoplanets atmospheres much better then I can, I attempted to give you a general idea as there is a lot of information out about all of this but the answers to your other questions can be found everywhere, you just have to search around.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: berdinwall]
    #21986844 - 07/23/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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So what did they announce





all that was announced was the discovery of an earthlike planet that is situated in a habital zone in a solar system outside of ours.

we don't know if it has life. it may or may not have the possibility to hold life.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: 404]
    #21986852 - 07/23/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Not exactly news, I don't even have to look up the article to remember Keplar 22b, much larger then earth I believe, but thought to be rocky and have liquid water and be in the habitable zone, and this was years ago.

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    #21986875 - 07/23/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What I'd like to see is a "scientific" study with a group of Scientists that have subpoena power to get every single document from the US government, with nothing blacked out, on every significant UFO case, alleged alien craft recovery and every alleged project involving alien technology.  Let them study whether or not aliens are already here with complete and total access to all documentation.

Looking into space for answers to questions that are more practically answered right here on earth is kinda silly.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca] * 1
    #21986884 - 07/23/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Might just be an illusion of advancement they are intentionally giving off, meaning we might already have the answers, but they don't want people to have them yet for whatever their reason might be but make us think we're working towards those answers, maybe anyway.

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    #21986967 - 07/23/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Might just be an illusion of advancement they are intentionally giving off, meaning we might already have the answers, but they don't want people to have them yet for whatever their reason might be but make us think we're working towards those answers, maybe anyway.




It seems to me that decades of compartmentalization of top secret projects in order to keep information safe and secure and not subject to the political process that would enable elected officials access to highly sensitive secrets has put all of the macro knowledge of Aliens, UFO's and Alien technology projects in the hands of private corporations.  I don't think the President has any knowledge of this anymore.  Reportedly, Clinton was relentless about getting answers and was very frustrated at the stonewalling.  John Podesta, Clinton's Chief of Staff and Hillary's #1 Campaign guy is the county's #1 advocate for full disclosure.  This indicates to me that the political class knows they are cut out of the information loop on the planet's most significant issue.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21986996 - 07/23/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Assuming there is any.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: healing]
    #21987037 - 07/23/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Assuming there is any.




One thing for sure, there are thousands and thousands, maybe millions, of highly classified documents on it.  Would be good for open minded scientists to take a look at all of them and tell us what they think.

If there was absolutely nothing to the Alien mystery, why would thousands of documents from several  alleged alien craft recoveries from the 40's still be highly classified?  Why would Harry Truman say on camera that his administration talked about UFO's with the military "all the time?"


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21987060 - 07/23/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

How do you know that these documents exist, and if they are classified, how do you know what they contain?

What if you're just like OP and your wishful thinking has you seeing the possibilities of contact with life on other planets, but what you end up with are some rough estimates as to the size of a rock.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: healing]
    #21987089 - 07/23/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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How do you know that these documents exist, and if they are classified, how do you know what they contain?

What if you're just like OP and your wishful thinking has you seeing the possibilities of contact with life on other planets, but what you end up with are some rough estimates as to the size of a rock.




Is this a serious question?  The documents that have come out in the famous cases like Roswell have been nearly completely blacked out.  Requests through the FOIA are made all the time for documents regarding government UFO files that are denied.  There is a global disclosure project that most nations, but not the US has agreed to. Most of these nations, including England, France, Germany, Brazil have turned over their military UFO files, but the US has not.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21987105 - 07/23/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So you think you're going to find some earth shattering knowledge. Like I said, so did OP.


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    #21987117 - 07/23/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

According to a National Geographic survey, 77 percent of all Americans "believe there are signs that aliens have visited Earth", and according to a recent Harris poll only 68 percent of all Americans believe that Jesus is God or the Son of God. -- Jan 6, 2014.

Given the beliefs of the public on this important issue, do you not find it odd that the government ignores it entirely?


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: healing]
    #21987126 - 07/23/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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So you think you're going to find some earth shattering knowledge. Like I said, so did OP.




The earth shattering knowledge has already been found out.  This knowledge, like many military secrets, is tightly controlled and suppressed.  There are simply too many credible astronauts and military people on the record about this.


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    #21987149 - 07/23/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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According to a National Geographic survey, 77 percent of all Americans "believe there are signs that aliens have visited Earth", and according to a recent Harris poll only 68 percent of all Americans believe that Jesus is God or the Son of God. -- Jan 6, 2014.

Given the beliefs of the public on this important issue, do you not find it odd that the government ignores it entirely?




People believe in stupid things. You even brought up the bible.

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    #21987176 - 07/23/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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According to a National Geographic survey, 77 percent of all Americans "believe there are signs that aliens have visited Earth", and according to a recent Harris poll only 68 percent of all Americans believe that Jesus is God or the Son of God. -- Jan 6, 2014.

Given the beliefs of the public on this important issue, do you not find it odd that the government ignores it entirely?




People believe in stupid things. You even brought up the bible.

If there were all the earth shattering evidence available to us, why is the earth going unshattered?




What do you mean by "unsheltered?"  This seems a silly question. 

The implications of aliens interacting with humans on our planet, possibly for thousands if not millions of years, are significant, I think you'd agree.


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    #21987183 - 07/23/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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People believe in stupid things. You even brought up the bible.






I would agree with this.  It is amazing the amount of people that believe the nonsense the government tells them about many topics, including UFO's and military secrets.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21987184 - 07/23/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It would be, if it was anything more than speculation.

Again, if you had any real evidence of any of this, we wouldn't be having this conversation.


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    #21987211 - 07/23/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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It would be, if it was anything more than speculation.

Again, if you had any real evidence of any of this, we wouldn't be having this conversation.




There is a mountain of evidence. The fact that you seem to have no knowledge of it shows you have put zero effort into looking into it.  The Rendelsham  Forest incident is a good one for a person like you and, of course the 3-4 crashes in New Mexico as a result of the Military's efforts to bring them down.


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    #21987258 - 07/23/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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nasa's hinting at sending telescopes out to space

the future is fuckin awesome






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    #21987271 - 07/23/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah if you were to shrink down the earth to the size of a globe, and shrink the moon down so they are still proportionally accurate, the moon would be 30 feet away from the earth globe if they were shrunk down to scale. Our furthest satellites would only be about a sixteenth-eighth of an inch off the surface of the earth if the earth was the size of a globe and you shrank them down to scale too, mars would be a mile away at that size.

Those satellites are shrimp babies compared to what they have planned and barely off the surface of the planet.

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    #21987275 - 07/23/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

healing, you have literally become the most negative person on the planet


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    #21987282 - 07/23/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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E.T. Dinos, advanced human like species, crazy new alien technology fueled by a new to us kind of E.T. fuel not known on our planet which enables traveling at the speed of light, portals, cool new plants and mushrooms, all that jazz

http://www.space.com/30021-nasa-unveiling-kepler-exoplanet-discovery-thursday.html

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NASA will unveil a potentially exciting discovery on Thursday (July 23) regarding the search for alien planets.

In a teleconference at 12 p.m. EDT (1600 GMT) tomorrow, the space agency will announce new findings made by the planet-hunting Kepler Space Telescope. You can tune in to the announcement live via an online audio feed provided by NASA. A statement from NASA announcing the teleconference did not provide any additional details as to what new information will be unveiled.

"Exoplanets, especially small Earth-size worlds, belonged within the realm of science fiction just 21 years ago," according to the statement NASA statement. "Today, and thousands of discoveries later, astronomers are on the cusp of finding something people have dreamed about for thousands of years -- another Earth."

Participants in the teleconference will be John Grunsfeld, an associate administrator for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington; Jon Jenkins, Kepler data analysis lead at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, California; Jeff Coughlin, a Kepler research scientist at the SETI Institute in Mountain View, California; and Didier Queloz, a professor of astrophysics at the University of Cambridge, United Kingdom.







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    #21987812 - 07/23/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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3-4 crashes in New Mexico as a result of the Military's efforts to bring them down.




They mastered interstellar space travel but got shot down by Murica? This sounds like a bad sci fi movie.

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    #21987835 - 07/23/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

maybe they live in total peace, or didn't want to risk war by bringing an armed ship.


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    #21987842 - 07/23/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

plus typically even if they wanted war, you always send scouts first to gather data about your enemy and resources.  They might be trying to determine how valueable our planet is and if we are worth the trip


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    #21988676 - 07/24/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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plus typically even if they wanted war, you always send scouts first to gather data about your enemy and resources.  They might be trying to determine how valueable our planet is and if we are worth the trip




Chances are, they've been here for thousands if not millions of years.  UFO activity picked up considerably after the US and USSR developed nuclear weapons.  A high percentage of UFO activity happens around nuclear bases both here and in Russia.  There are many military reports that these UFO's had the ability to literally shut down the operations (electricity) at these bases at will.  The most reliable reports indicate that in New Mexico, we brought down a number of these UFO's in the late 1940's with very powerful radar arrays that disabled them in flight as they kept coming near the nuclear facilities in that area.


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    #21988684 - 07/24/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The chemical compositions of the atmospheres of other planets is simple to figure out (not to people like me and you obviously, but luckily science can be dumbed down enough for even people like us to understand), though incomplete. When you shine white light through elements, they give off certain c6olors of the wavelength, when the star has a planet pass in front of it, light shines through the atmosphere and they can use sensitive equipment to pick up on what wavelengths are being portrayed around the planet, and while incomplete, it gives them the general makeup of the atmosphere itself, since the most abundant elements will show more of the that color. Sorry if this was a little funky, I'd have to link the article to explain it in detail and don't have time now, as we have technological innovation and advancements, we will be able to use this to determine whether actual life is on another planet. The surface on the other hand, I can't remember how they figure out, I read about it before but it's been a while.




Below is a section of my last post, as a chemistry student I understand the principal quite well...

We can determine chemical composition of the atmospheres and surfaces of other planets by measuring spectrums off of the light the reflect back from the planet's surface as the star shines light on it (spectral analysis) every element has a specific chemical signiture, so by using spectrosopy, the science of analyzing chemical structure through reflected light, we can easily determine chemical composition regarding local planets.

E. Borodin


I was asking how they could employ this technique on exo-planets so distant we are unable to receive reflected light from them, such as the Kepler exo-planets..

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    #21988693 - 07/24/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The United States did return to the moon, a number of times, they stopped because of funding, the only reason we went in the first place is because during the cold war we were afraid of Russia gaining the high ground, especially after they released sputnik, we only ever went, out of fear.




Obviously I was referring to after the Apollo missions...

They claim it's was from lack of funding or public interest, trust me though funds are never an issue for a branch of the military, and recently public interest is piqued in space exploration, to go to mars re-visiting the moon may be necessary, so a return is not unheard of...

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    #21988701 - 07/24/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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From me and your viewpoint, it makes no sense to not go back to the moon, the government on the other hand probably thinks it makes a lot of sense not to go back especially if it isn't profitable. It's a shame though, the amount of our taxes that goes towards the space program is shameful, considering that space exploration is the greatest thing humans are capable of and already have the potential of doing.




There are plans for a trip to mars which involve return to the moon, possibly even building a base there, though projected dates even for a complete plan are something like 2025 or beyond, and several other options do exist that don't involve the moon...

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    #21988716 - 07/24/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Cold war and other wars ended, most likely leaving a government seeing it as a waste of resources to continue going back. It might be because we went that Russia and them never did, it was a space race after all, and we won that race.




This still puzzles me...why would Russia just give up because we got there first?

It would be a waste of funding to go so far and then quit on the brink of the end-goal of the program...

Was it technology? Could they not get the technology to pull it off?

Money shouldn't have been in issue for the Russians at that point ,right?


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    #21988732 - 07/24/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

As for the question regarding digital technology,the calculator was a random example, I was trying to imply how these people didn't have digital technology, or at least nothing you or I would consider digital technology (it was very very crude), and still put a man on the moon...

As for the moon not being a planet, it's a simple error in nomenclature, the point still should have been obvious, it's obviously a satellite, but that sounds strange "everything we know about putting a man on a satellite comes from nasa."..

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    #21988735 - 07/24/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

maybe they were just pretending and wanting to make it seem like a race so america wasted money doing it


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    #21988741 - 07/24/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

arn't satellites supposed to be curved or something?  why do we not detect transmissions from it?


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    #21988742 - 07/24/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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maybe they were just pretending and wanting to make it seem like a race so america wasted money doing it




Or, maybe the real reasons we wanted to go to the moon were never revealed to the public and the "made for TV version" was just a PR event to justify the expense.

What do most people remember?  The planting of the flag, hopping around with less gravity and hitting a golf ball.


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    #21988749 - 07/24/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

its the moon and we had almost no technology, i don't think we really had any idea what to do


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    #21988750 - 07/24/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

hell we still almost have no idea what to do with it, another 10 years to design some shit to do on it 2025 next time we go there


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    #21988751 - 07/24/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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arn't satellites supposed to be curved or something?  why do we not detect transmissions from it?




How odd is it that the moon's rotation is such that we never see the back half of it from the earth?  This is the only orb in our solar system that does this, from what I understand.


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    #21988754 - 07/24/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

how does that make it a satellite tho, that would only make sense if it was transmitting to earth, where are the thrusters adjusting it


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    #21988756 - 07/24/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, that link you posted cleared up my issue with exo-planet analysis...

"Interestingly enough, one method makes use of the light coming from the host star. The basic principle is that the light from a star can be analyzed both before and after an exoplanet crosses in front of the star" -that link

They are doing spectral analysis of the stars light! Not light reflected from the planets!, which are invisible to us.

There's another method which preforms analysis of light curves.

Brilliant stuff.

It was bothering me because in all actuality these planets are invisible, kepler simply watches stars for long durations and graphs the light intensity, since these planets are otherwise invisible I could not wrap my mind around how spectral analysis would even be an option, though the solution was quite simple, it's still good thinking.

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    #21988758 - 07/24/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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how does that make it a satellite tho, that would only make sense if it was transmitting to earth, where are the thrusters adjusting it




A satellite just means it's an object in orbit around a planet...

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    #21988765 - 07/24/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

then why mention we never seen the back of it?


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21988776 - 07/24/15 07:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok, that link you posted cleared up my issue with exo-planet analysis...

"Interestingly enough, one method makes use of the light coming from the host star. The basic principle is that the light from a star can be analyzed both before and after an exoplanet crosses in front of the star" -that link

They are doing spectral analysis of the stars light! Not light reflected from the planets!, which are invisible to us.

There's another method which preforms analysis of light curves.

Brilliant stuff.

It was bothering me because in all actuality these planets are invisible, kepler simply watches stars for long durations and graphs the light intensity, since these planets are otherwise invisible I could not wrap my mind around how spectral analysis would even be an option, though the solution was quite simple, it's still good thinking.

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Anyone that found this post interesting and/or has an interest in brushing up on the whole foundation of these astronomical observations (meaning how we began measuring things like the circumference of the earth to the orbit of the moon to the distances of nebulae) would do well to watch this lecture: Terence Tao: The Cosmic Distance Ladder, UCLA


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why is it the moon has so many impact crators, but nothing in any of them?


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    #21988799 - 07/24/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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then why mention we never seen the back of it?




Given that building like structures have been reported seen on the moon by astronauts and that several astronauts reported UFO's tracking their lunar modules while in orbit around the moon, this gives an indication of why we REALLY went to the moon and went there repeatedly.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #21988800 - 07/24/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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why is it the moon has so many impact crators, but nothing in any of them?






did you check them all?

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    #21988804 - 07/24/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Impact objects can vaporize on impact.

sometimes even exploding in the air if the planet has an atmosphere.

I'm sure there are impact objects on the moon, you have to understand the physics of these impacts for this to make sense

Look at meteor crator in Arizona, nothing was ever found in that impact crater either...

Most the moon's crators are there from a time in our solar systems history called "the heavy bombardment" where the earth was being bombarded as well...

I'm a chemistry student, so all this is out of my field, but it's great  review of a field that I'm not entirely familiar with...I mean chemistry plays its role here to, as does physics, and I know a bit about these topics, but chemistry is where I'm most comfortable.

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    #21988805 - 07/24/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The energy from the impacts blows everything away from the point of impact.  The same basic principle as your foot making a footprint in the sand as far as I can tell.  Good question though.

The moon doesn't necessarily have more craters, they're just visible for alot longer because the lack of atmosphere means no erosion.

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    #21988820 - 07/24/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
then why mention we never seen the back of it?




Given that building like structures have been reported seen on the moon by astronauts and that several astronauts reported UFO's tracking their lunar modules while in orbit around the moon, this gives an indication of why we REALLY went to the moon and went there repeatedly.






Oh while we are discussing alien bases on the moon, have you guys heard this?:

There were joint missions between the United states and Russia, Apollo 20 was a mission sent to one of these structures where an alien "mummy" was recovered, her picture is below:


There's a video of it on YouTube...

It's obviously a hoax, but they did a damn good job, in the video when they pan around  craft you see technology of the time, a half Russian half American flag above a legitimate looking mission patch reading "Apollo 20"...everything looks pretty good until you see the dead alien, and the shots outside the craft look like shit...

If you want "moon conspiracy" this one is pretty entertaining.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21988829 - 07/24/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Oh while we are discussing alien bases on the moon, have you guys heard this?:

There were joint missions between the United states and Russia, Apollo 20 was a mission sent to one of these structures where an alien "mummy" was recovered, her picture is below:


There's a video of it on YouTube...

It's obviously a hoax, but they did a damn good job, in the video when they pan around  craft you see technology of the time, a half Russian half American flag above a legitimate looking mission patch reading "Apollo 20"...everything looks pretty good until you see the dead alien, and the shots outside the craft look like shit...

If you want "moon conspiracy" this one is pretty entertaining.

-E. Borodin




There is a lot of disinformation spun out intentionally to discredit anyone looking into possible real motives for our space program.  "Conspiracy thinking" has been encouraged as it spreads confusion and makes it easy to "laugh off" the "crazies."

Kind of hard to laugh off an Astronaut that was there and reported being tracked in orbit by UFO's.


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    #21988846 - 07/24/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

but there's conspiracys around the astronauts as well, they have a motive, they view themselves as these great hero's of space, they have a vested interest in creating interest for more space travel, as anything gained from it ultimatly comes back to them, and their names as starting it all, growing there legacy with each finding


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    #21988849 - 07/24/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I do believe intelligent life is common and widespread in our universe....

Don't get me wrong on that.

I'm just careful When it comes to these things.



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    #21988855 - 07/24/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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but there's conspiracys around the astronauts as well, they have a motive, they view themselves as these great hero's of space, they have a vested interest in creating interest for more space travel, as anything gained from it ultimatly comes back to them, and their names as starting it all, growing there legacy with each finding




That's an interesting angle. Never thought of it from that perspective.  I'd find it hard to believe a guy like Buzz Aldrin would lie, later in life, about this to promote more space exploration spending?  Is it possible? Perhaps. 

We, as humans, are so fixated on the notion that we are the most advanced beings in our solar system that we are missing the real story that is right in front of us.  There has been "alien" activity on our planet and in our solar system for a long, long time.  Possibly millions of years.  And it's very likely our civilization in 2015 is NOT the most advanced civilization that has grown in this solar system over the last 100 million years.


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    #21988864 - 07/24/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The universe is 14 billion years old, earth is only 4 billion years old...we are the new-comers in this universe....

Think, some life forms out there could have billions of years evolution on us...

How could we even interact?  would a species evolved billions of years beyond us even want to interact?

Then there could be life that's only a few hundred or thousand years beyond us...

The possibilities are endless...

I'm sure NASA knows something about all this they are not telling us.

As a branch of the military they are in now way obligated to tell us the truth...

Which is why we need a civilian scientific research and exploration program...

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21988875 - 07/24/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The universe is 14 billion years old, earth is only 4 billion years old...we are the new-comers in this universe....

Think, some life forms out there could have billions of years evolution on us...

How could we even interact?  would a species evolved billions of years beyond us even want to interact?

Then there could be life that's only a few hundred or thousand years beyond us...

The possibilities are endless...

I'm sure NASA knows something about all this they are not telling us.

As a branch of the military they are in now way obligated to tell us the truth...

Which is why we need a civilian scientific research and exploration program...

-E. Borodin




The "known" universe is estimated at 14 billion years old.  If indeed our observable universe is only a piece of a multiverse that is multidimensional, the multiverse could be trillions of years old if not infinite in age.


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    #21988912 - 07/24/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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then you surely know that these meteors would bounce, break apart, deflect,
explode and even become buried. those that were easily found were often
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    #21988917 - 07/24/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Guys I just astral projected to Kepler 452b and it's already a total sausage-fest.  Don't bother.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21988923 - 07/24/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The universe is 14 billion years old, earth is only 4 billion years old...we are the new-comers in this universe....

Think, some life forms out there could have billions of years evolution on us...

How could we even interact?  would a species evolved billions of years beyond us even want to interact?

Then there could be life that's only a few hundred or thousand years beyond us...




10 billion years of evolution doesnt mean anything, they could still be bacteria

I have no idea why people want to believe that a longer evolutionary period
would mean a more advanced race

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21988938 - 07/24/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
Quote:

KauaiOrca said:
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then why mention we never seen the back of it?




Given that building like structures have been reported seen on the moon by astronauts and that several astronauts reported UFO's tracking their lunar modules while in orbit around the moon, this gives an indication of why we REALLY went to the moon and went there repeatedly.






Oh while we are discussing alien bases on the moon, have you guys heard this?:

There were joint missions between the United states and Russia, Apollo 20 was a mission sent to one of these structures where an alien "mummy" was recovered, her picture is below:


There's a video of it on YouTube...

It's obviously a hoax, but they did a damn good job, in the video when they pan around  craft you see technology of the time, a half Russian half American flag above a legitimate looking mission patch reading "Apollo 20"...everything looks pretty good until you see the dead alien, and the shots outside the craft look like shit...

If you want "moon conspiracy" this one is pretty entertaining.

-E. Borodin





do you have any idea how many thousands of videos there are about moon conspiracies


provide a fucking link

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    #21988970 - 07/24/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The universe is 14 billion years old, earth is only 4 billion years old...we are the new-comers in this universe....

Think, some life forms out there could have billions of years evolution on us...

How could we even interact?  would a species evolved billions of years beyond us even want to interact?

Then there could be life that's only a few hundred or thousand years beyond us...




10 billion years of evolution doesnt mean anything, they could still be bacteria

I have no idea why people want to believe that a longer evolutionary period
would mean a more advanced race




More time = more probabilities.

Are you suggesting that in a universe where we estimate hundreds of billions of galaxies with trillions of stars that the only planet to have advanced life is ours?  And, that the rest of them are at the bacteria stage? 

What is the probability that at least one of those stars has a planet with intelligent life that has a million year head start on us in terms of technology and knowledge?


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Why do aliens have FAA compliant strobe lights on their craft?


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Sensational title is sensational.


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Why did Truman say, on camera, he talked in defense meetings about UFO's all the time?


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    #21990017 - 07/24/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The universe is 14 billion years old, earth is only 4 billion years old...we are the new-comers in this universe....

Think, some life forms out there could have billions of years evolution on us...

How could we even interact?  would a species evolved billions of years beyond us even want to interact?

Then there could be life that's only a few hundred or thousand years beyond us...




10 billion years of evolution doesnt mean anything, they could still be bacteria

I have no idea why people want to believe that a longer evolutionary period
would mean a more advanced race




Because I'm not speaking about single celled organisms I'm talking about intelligent life.

Regardless time equals evolution with any living species, so had an intelligent species had billions of years of evolution on us clearly they would be advanced beyond our comprehension.

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Why did Truman say, on camera, he talked in defense meetings about UFO's all the time?



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Why did Truman say, on camera, he talked in defense meetings about UFO's all the time?



clip?




In the late 40's and early 50's there were literally 100's of sightings being reported A DAY!  The sightings by military pilots went up dramatically as well, most of which happened around nuclear weapons facilities. 

Clearly, the UFO interest had to do with the human race becoming nuclear capable.  It changed their level of interest.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21991177 - 07/24/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Just read the article about Kepler-186f: https://www.nasa.gov/ames/kepler/nasas-kepler-discovers-first-earth-size-planet-in-the-habitable-zone-of-another-star

Holy crap guys, this could be it! An Earth-Like planet that could have (is?!) hosting life. Truly amazing.

The little video I watched said that Kepler-186f is about 1.5 times the size of Earth, but is also, as they say "in a relative distance to its parent star in whats called the 'habitable zone' ".

Truly amazing.

Imagine the future when we send a satellite to Kelper-186f, and take surface photos and see a forest of trees!!!! :omgz:


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Just read the article about Kepler-186f: https://www.nasa.gov/ames/kepler/nasas-kepler-discovers-first-earth-size-planet-in-the-habitable-zone-of-another-star

Holy crap guys, this could be it! An Earth-Like planet that could have (is?!) hosting life. Truly amazing.

The little video I watched said that Kepler-186f is about 1.5 times the size of Earth, but is also, as they say "in a relative distance to its parent star in whats called the 'habitable zone' ".

Truly amazing.

Imagine the future when we send a satellite to Kelper-186f, and take surface photos and see a forest of trees!!!! :omgz:




This planet is 500 light years away from Earth.  We need to look at space travel in a very different way than we do currently in order to bridge that kind of distance.  I think the likelihood of figuring out the elements of inter-dimensional travel are far more likely than coming up with propulsion systems that can cover that kind of mileage. 

It's likely that groups of humans that have walked on this planet did figure out inter dimensional travel and communication ... hopefully we can re discover these mysteries.


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    #21991267 - 07/24/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've always been curious about new drugs on other planets. I mean, what if there was a whole new class of drugs that we know nothing about. Or what if there was a psychedelic opiate out there. :strokebeard:

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    #21991366 - 07/24/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I've always been curious about new drugs on other planets. I mean, what if there was a whole new class of drugs that we know nothing about. Or what if there was a psychedelic opiate out there. :strokebeard:




Imagine what kind of drugs we could discover ON THIS PLANET if our government wasn't so damned paranoid about recreational drugs?  What if they gave the drug companies the GO AHEAD to research all recreational drugs and find substances that are non-addictive, enjoyable, expand our capabilities and are fun. 

Instead, they give us alcohol, caffeine, sugar and nicotine and you have to get "sick" to get something else ... some exceptions in some states with marijuana.  What if they were to really turn on the research to find better alternatives than these 4 highly addictive corporation enriching drugs? 

Humans want and need ways to explore their inner reality.  If only we'd drop the fear and start doing some good research to take it to the next level.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21991717 - 07/24/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You forgot monosodium glutamate. We don't live in a utopian society where nobody uses drugs. It is a fictional dream. Hopefully some day society will realize this and stop the taboo of "using drugs".

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    #21992603 - 07/24/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

what if aliens are drug users too, and we are the drug:stoned:


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    #21993369 - 07/25/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I've always been curious about new drugs on other planets. I mean, what if there was a whole new class of drugs that we know nothing about. Or what if there was a psychedelic opiate out there. :strokebeard:




Ha!

Me and my friends used to joke about this, having alien contact and them brining new drugs forr us to try. Would be pretty cool :lol:

I sure how NASA builds a satellite to travel to Kepler-186f soon, i wanna see some up-close photos of the surface in my lifetime :awesome:

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    #21993379 - 07/25/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Kepler 452b is the new one they were talking about, Kepler 186 was a different one from the past in case you want to read up on this one.

And I wonder the same shit... Alien weed?
Alien mushrooms?
Alien brand new shit that literally sends you into another being and takes over their body?

Who the fuck knows, I dunno, ya know?
But I wonder the same about plants here on Earth too...
Like, Oceanic drugs or like what if you smoked strawberries, I dunno, who the fuck knows, ya know?
I dunno.
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    #21993386 - 07/25/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Most of the nasa photos are paintings...
I just never really trust them at all actually


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    #21993455 - 07/25/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I've always been curious about new drugs on other planets. I mean, what if there was a whole new class of drugs that we know nothing about. Or what if there was a psychedelic opiate out there. :strokebeard:




Imagine what kind of drugs we could discover ON THIS PLANET if our government wasn't so damned paranoid about recreational drugs?  What if they gave the drug companies the GO AHEAD to research all recreational drugs and find substances that are non-addictive, enjoyable, expand our capabilities and are fun. 

Instead, they give us alcohol, caffeine, sugar and nicotine and you have to get "sick" to get something else ... some exceptions in some states with marijuana.  What if they were to really turn on the research to find better alternatives than these 4 highly addictive corporation enriching drugs? 

Humans want and need ways to explore their inner reality.  If only we'd drop the fear and start doing some good research to take it to the next level.






Aahh, dear brother, but what you are forgetting is that these 4 drugs you mentioned are in their natural form, kind, healing, and helpful unless they are abused, like all "good" drugs.

It is their nastiest trick to make a brother think these things are bad for us, just by refining them, processing them, poisoning them, and marketing them for their own profit.

For instance, nasal snuff has never caused one case of cancer, after an odd four hundred years of human experimentation.

People in S. America who smoke mapacho tobacco and chew coca hardly ever get complications from smoking tobacco.

Down there, before ayahuasca sessions, they soak tobacco in water and then lay the ones to be healed on their backs. They then drain the water into the noses of the sick and tell them to swallow as much as possible. This causes toxins in the body to gather in the stomach, be absorbed by the tobacco juice, and then are expelled, as more will be later when Ayahuasca is taken and the same effects take place.







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    #21993898 - 07/25/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I've always been curious about new drugs on other planets. I mean, what if there was a whole new class of drugs that we know nothing about. Or what if there was a psychedelic opiate out there. :strokebeard:




Imagine what kind of drugs we could discover ON THIS PLANET if our government wasn't so damned paranoid about recreational drugs?  What if they gave the drug companies the GO AHEAD to research all recreational drugs and find substances that are non-addictive, enjoyable, expand our capabilities and are fun. 

Instead, they give us alcohol, caffeine, sugar and nicotine and you have to get "sick" to get something else ... some exceptions in some states with marijuana.  What if they were to really turn on the research to find better alternatives than these 4 highly addictive corporation enriching drugs? 

Humans want and need ways to explore their inner reality.  If only we'd drop the fear and start doing some good research to take it to the next level.






Aahh, dear brother, but what you are forgetting is that these 4 drugs you mentioned are in their natural form, kind, healing, and helpful unless they are abused, like all "good" drugs.

It is their nastiest trick to make a brother think these things are bad for us, just by refining them, processing them, poisoning them, and marketing them for their own profit.

For instance, nasal snuff has never caused one case of cancer, after an odd four hundred years of human experimentation.

People in S. America who smoke mapacho tobacco and chew coca hardly ever get complications from smoking tobacco.

Down there, before ayahuasca sessions, they soak tobacco in water and then lay the ones to be healed on their backs. They then drain the water into the noses of the sick and tell them to swallow as much as possible. This causes toxins in the body to gather in the stomach, be absorbed by the tobacco juice, and then are expelled, as more will be later when Ayahuasca is taken and the same effects take place.





What you are describing is quite different from products like coca cola, bud light, camel cigarettes and highly caffeinated "energy boost" drinks.


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    #21994046 - 07/25/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I've always been curious about new drugs on other planets. I mean, what if there was a whole new class of drugs that we know nothing about. Or what if there was a psychedelic opiate out there. :strokebeard:




Salvinorin-A is a psychedelic opiate.

Reading through shulgins technical work-ups I'm certain that many of shulgins "artificial" compounds exist on other planets where the compounds and conditions are ideal...

These new planets are all like amazing chemical land all with their own unique set of conditions and ratios of elements...

Imagine alien plants! Bound to be NEW medicine and psychedelics there...

The only way to travel between the stars is DMT, and you can't take your body with you....either we find a way at around the speed of light or we never get to see alien worlds...

Ok so LSD in some work ups is prepared with lysergic acid,  diethylamine, phosphorus oxycholride, phosphorus pentachloride, DCM,THF,etc...at o°C under red light...what if a planet had all these compounds and conditions? There could be planets full of psychedelics...or alien plants or planets naturally producing compounds believed to be synthetic...or new compounds all together!

(Below this point the speculation loses touch with real grounding, these are just ideas, I'm aware they may be full of holes or sound crazy)


If look at stropharia cubensis, it will 4-hydroxylate any tryptamine in its substrate, so say MET (n-methyl-n-ethyl-tryptamine) is natural on some planet, and stropharia cubensis spores that had been blown by wind into the high atmosphere and  made it to space (assuming they didn't come from space as mckenna once claimed), the spore casing is as electron dense as some metals,so it could make it out, plus they are purple so light waves can carry them, and space is the exact conditions needed to preserve spores, now say they made it to a planet full of MET, the mushrooms would naturally be producing 4-ho-MET...no matter what tryptamine stropharia cubensis encounter they will 4-hydroxylate, making innocuous tryptamines psychedelic to any creature with an advanced mind on any planet...

..if it's not through spores it's through microbes on asteroids and meteorites, similar to cricks panspermia...living things can't stay alive long enough to make million light year long trips (unless they reproduce on the ship for generations until the y reach their target)(or unless we find a way around the speed of light)....so maybe when planets are destroyed by an impact, or some other way that microbe covered pieces of the planet blast out into space until they hit another planet and inoculate it with life...if not, life would always die with its planet...


...I hope I don't get my head torn off for all this wild speculation...

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21994415 - 07/25/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

As I was coming down from my wildest DMT breakthrough I looked at my buddy and told him that if aliens ever landed, the thing to do would be loading up a pipe of deemsters & passing it to them. Get us started out on the same page.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21994701 - 07/25/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I've always been curious about new drugs on other planets. I mean, what if there was a whole new class of drugs that we know nothing about. Or what if there was a psychedelic opiate out there. :strokebeard:




Salvinorin-A is a psychedelic opiate.

Reading through shulgins technical work-ups I'm certain that many of shulgins "artificial" compounds exist on other planets where the compounds and conditions are ideal...

These new planets are all like amazing chemical land all with their own unique set of conditions and ratios of elements...

Imagine alien plants! Bound to be NEW medicine and psychedelics there...

The only way to travel between the stars is DMT, and you can't take your body with you....either we find a way at around the speed of light or we never get to see alien worlds...

Ok so LSD in some work ups is prepared with lysergic acid,  diethylamine, phosphorus oxycholride, phosphorus pentachloride, DCM,THF,etc...at o°C under red light...what if a planet had all these compounds and conditions? There could be planets full of psychedelics...or alien plants or planets naturally producing compounds believed to be synthetic...or new compounds all together!

(Below this point the speculation loses touch with real grounding, these are just ideas, I'm aware they may be full of holes or sound crazy)


If look at stropharia cubensis, it will 4-hydroxylate any tryptamine in its substrate, so say MET (n-methyl-n-ethyl-tryptamine) is natural on some planet, and stropharia cubensis spores that had been blown by wind into the high atmosphere and  made it to space (assuming they didn't come from space as mckenna once claimed), the spore casing is as electron dense as some metals,so it could make it out, plus they are purple so light waves can carry them, and space is the exact conditions needed to preserve spores, now say they made it to a planet full of MET, the mushrooms would naturally be producing 4-ho-MET...no matter what tryptamine stropharia cubensis encounter they will 4-hydroxylate, making innocuous tryptamines psychedelic to any creature with an advanced mind on any planet...

..if it's not through spores it's through microbes on asteroids and meteorites, similar to cricks panspermia...living things can't stay alive long enough to make million light year long trips (unless they reproduce on the ship for generations until the y reach their target)(or unless we find a way around the speed of light)....so maybe when planets are destroyed by an impact, or some other way that microbe covered pieces of the planet blast out into space until they hit another planet and inoculate it with life...if not, life would always die with its planet...


...I hope I don't get my head torn off for all this wild speculation...

-E. Borodin




I was wondering these same things. All the novel chemicals that we have created could be natural somewhere. Imagine if there was an LSD, or 4ho-x or 2C-X containing plant on one of these exoplanets. Shit, imagine mescaline salt deposites. :strokebeard:

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    #21994758 - 07/25/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I was wondering these same things. All the novel chemicals that we have created could be natural somewhere. Imagine if there was an LSD, or 4ho-x or 2C-X containing plant on one of these exoplanets. Shit, imagine mescaline salt deposites. :strokebeard:




This could be one of the factors that motivates advanced beings to explore and check out other planets.  To find new species that offer new possibilities for food, medicine, etc. 

It could also be a factor that would motivate them to "seed" a planet, over see it, occasionally intervene to juice up the genetics in some way and then back off an watch. 

Given that we have thousands of years of very lucid eyewitness accounts of interactions with these advanced beings and a lot of physical evidence to support that, I'd suspect "they" were here long before "we" were.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca] * 1
    #21994765 - 07/25/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

One of my friends when he was really high on cactus had a vision of extraterrestrials bringing cactus to earth for our education and enjoyment.


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    #21998574 - 07/26/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Exactly!

Imagine the molecule structures our chemist never dreamed of!
(With phenethylamines anything bigger than an ethyl chain on the amine nitrogen kills activity...so nobody would have thought that a benzylmethoxy group off the amine nitrogen could produce active compounds, but it increased their potency! (2C-B (phenethylamine) 25B-NBOMe (n-benzoyl-methoxy-phenethylamine)...I mean a chemist did figure this out, but that's an example of novel substitutions alien plants could be making that our chemists never would have thought of...)

If The conditions (light, temperature, pressure, atmosphere, etc...) and elements were ideal, these synthetics could be natural parts of the planet!

Or alien plants, our plants take tryptophan and convert it into psychedelic tryptamines (just like we eat tryptophan and our bodies decarboxylate it to tryptamine, 5-hydroxylate it to 5-ho-tryptamine AKA serotonin, then acetylate it it to 5-hydroxy-n-acetyl-tryptamine which is then converted to N-acetyl-5-MEO-tryptamine AKA Meletonin which is then converted to 6-MEO-tetrahydrobetacarboline AKA pinoline)

Phenethylamines are generated in vivo from phenethylamine amino acids (tyrosine ,phenylalanine,etc..) the CACTI produce mescaline as a means of stress response much like humans produce cortisol in relation to stress.

...imagine what alien plants could do with these amino acids! I'm sure alien plants could produce every one of shulgins compounds, which honestly mimic endogenous neurotransmitters, and should be expected in plant metabolism.

It's mind blowing! Universal chemistry and biology and pharmacology would be a blast to explore!

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21998579 - 07/26/15 06:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The chances that alien biochemistry would be compatible with what evolved on earth would be minuscule. Their drugs would be useless, and visa versa.


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    #21998593 - 07/26/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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One of my friends when he was really high on cactus had a vision of extraterrestrials bringing cactus to earth for our education and enjoyment.





I think the mushrooms could be from space...they don't fossilize so we really don't know how long they have been here...Plus all the examples related to the spore I listed in a previous post.

I think psychedelic molecules may be universal and active in every advanced intelligent beings minds...they may even be our connection to these life-forms, our mental gateway to the universe as well as other dimensions and to the existence points after death...DMT and psilocybin specifically are the molecules I'm referring to...

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    #21998602 - 07/26/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The chances that alien biochemistry would be compatible with what evolved on earth would be minuscule. Their drugs would be useless, and visa versa.





You think so?

All true psychedelics are tryptamines or phenethylamines, all higher neurotransmitters are tryptamines or phenethylamines, and the known psychedelics are very active in most species,not just humans....so why would the neurotransmitters that cause our brain to function not be universal in all advanced brains? They are still working with the same table of elements we are, and chemically most the stuff in space is no different from the stuff on earth, so if life evolved, it may have been in similar conditions from the same elements as on earth, and their brains would likely involve these higher neurotransmitters...

But who knows...

Regardless I think tryptamines and phenethylamine molecules are universal (meaning abundant in the universe) and likely function as neurotransmitters and psychedelics for more than just earth life...

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    #21998624 - 07/26/15 07:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Because we are related to other species. We share common ancestors and a lot of our biochemistry has existed since the earliest forms of life evolved.

Without a common ancestor, another life form would not have the same biochestry.


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    #21998650 - 07/26/15 07:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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One of my friends when he was really high on cactus had a vision of extraterrestrials bringing cactus to earth for our education and enjoyment.





I think the mushrooms could be from space...they don't fossilize so we really don't know how long they have been here...Plus all the examples related to the spore I listed in a previous post.

I think psychedelic molecules may be universal and active in every advanced intelligent beings minds...they may even be our connection to these life-forms, our mental gateway to the universe as well as other dimensions and to the existence points after death...DMT and psilocybin specifically are the molecules I'm referring to...

-E. Borodin




I think this is probably true.  Or minds are the gateway to communication with all other species in the universe and to travel as well.  We are multi dimensional beings that have been "trapped" in a single, very predatory dimension for a variety of reasons.


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    #21998666 - 07/26/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Mushrooms contain substances that alter brain functions, causing some people to believe that "minds are the gateway to communication with all other species in the universe and to travel as well." It's just the drugs fucking with you.


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Mushrooms contain substances that alter brain functions, causing some people to believe that "minds are the gateway to communication with all other species in the universe and to travel as well." It's just the drugs fucking with you.




The mind is capable of functions like lucid dreaming, out of body travel and states achieved in meditation that rival anything drugs can generate.  Every food and drink we take in is a combination of chemicals that create mental and physical reactions.  Drugs are no different.  The mind is more like radio receiver and drugs help to switch the channel being received much the way dreams and non-ordinary states of reality do. 

Can explain how exactly drugs enable the mind to construct incredibly complex worlds with amazingly clear detail, meaning and clarity and WHY these worlds or hallucinations would exist in the mind in the first place ... where do they come from?  Why are they so perfectly constructed?  What is the point? 

We are part of an infinitely constructed multi dimensional universe.  Our minds are capable of tuning in more of it.  Certain drugs can temporarily increase our ability to disconnect from this station and tune in others.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #21998945 - 07/26/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Because we are related to other species. We share common ancestors and a lot of our biochemistry has existed since the earliest forms of life evolved.

Without a common ancestor, another life form would not have the same biochestry.




Not necessarily, it's entirely possible that life forms with out our common ancestor could evolve equal or similar neurochemistry. 

I feel that life is fairly common in the universe, and mathematics dictate that at least a percentage of a advanced life-forms would share compatible biochemistry.

I feel these compounds May actually be our link to advanced life in this universe, as well as in other dimensions, and with the denizens of the after death. Though my only basis for this idea comes from my experience with the compounds themselves (specifically DMT and psilocybin, though there are exceptions)

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    #21999025 - 07/26/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

They may develop something similar to DNA, but the chances that say serotinin would be a neurotransmitter is very very slim. The reasons psychoactive chemicals do what they do is becasue of their very particular structure. If you change the chemistry even a little bit, none of those substances would have much effect at all.


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    #21999057 - 07/26/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Mushrooms contain substances that alter brain functions, causing some people to believe that "minds are the gateway to communication with all other species in the universe and to travel as well." It's just the drugs fucking with you.




Nonsense.

The brain takes in something like 12 billion signals per second, all of which enter the brain via the thalamus (except smell), these signals are then heavily filtered down to.what's essential for function in the present moment and what's left is sent to the cortex regions. We actually only perceive a very small percent of the existence around us. These cortex regions is where higher processing occurs, and where you decide what these signals mean. When you take psilocin or DMT it's turning off the filter mechanisms in your thalamus, so your cortex regions are flooded with the whole picture, instead of the small slice of reality we normally perceive, you get it all. The thalamus and the cortex are connected by 5ht2a and 5ht2c receptors, all the classic tryptamine and phenethylamine psychedelics agonize these receptors, and though other pharmacological processes are occurring, the basis of this revolves around this interaction described above.You are actually perceiving MORE of reality on these compounds.

Dr. Rick strassman was also convinced these experiences were genuine.

...as was Rolland Griffiths of John's Hopkins.

Every religion is likely the exegesis of an experience with one of these compounds.

It's not just neurons randomly firing, and you misprecieving this as a mystical experience. Some very educated individuals share this view. Though it was the experience itself which convinced me.

Now for survivals sake we can't be in these highly receptive states all the time, specially as we were evolving, being able to hunt your food, protect yourself from sabor-tooth tigers and other predictors, start a fire, etc...were crucial for survival, so out of necessity our consciousness had to be filtered. (When the Spanish forced the natives to give their entheogens Christian names, the cimora users choose saint peter (San Pedro), for T. Pachanoi, the reasoning was saint Peter holds the keys to the gates of heaven, as does this cactus, and this was before advanced pharmacology let us know about the thalamus acting as a filter and the cortex processing it, before anybody knew these things are actually pharmacological keys, when Huxley spoke of his "consciousness valve" he was actually right.)

When a shaman takes ayahuasca, and sings into his patients stomach, then says to the man "you have stomach parasites" and gives him the plant to heal them, and when asked how he did it he says "the sound waves bouncing through his body allowed me to see inside his stomach", was this the "drugs fucking with him?"...When the shaman can tell you where to hunt, the weather forecast, or be able to tell you who stole the chickens, etc...is this just the "drugs fucking with him"...

...These entheogens provide essential skills to people who don't have x-rays, or GPS hunting tools or 5 day forecasts or cameras on their chickens, etc...they also allow the shaman to contact beings in other galaxy's, beings in other dimensions, and beings in the after death, he actually visits these places while his body waits on earth...some of these dimensions are existing right on top of us simultaneously, others are mind boggling distances away...

I know this sound like airy-fairy nonsense, but keep in mind this is also the world's oldest spiritual practice, and I'm only following in the footsteps of our human ancestors, my interpretation of these experiences is not dissimilar from the reports of shamans since the beginning of history, and I am the modern extention of this line, basement shamans are a new phenomena, but we are guided by thousands of years of experience.

I'm all over the place here, and still did not say all I wanted to, but I'm going to stop here.

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    #21999085 - 07/26/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, the brain breaks down a visual image in lots of ways. It finds lines, it finds areas of contrast, of motion, etc.,. We are not normally conscious of this lower level processing, but on psychedelics this bleeds through. So what? It's kinda like when you take a picture with your phone, if the final image had those little boxes around all the faces. Interesting insight into how an image is processed, not necessarily into the nature of reality.


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    #21999144 - 07/26/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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They may develop something similar to DNA, but the chances that say serotinin would be a neurotransmitter is very very slim. The reasons psychoactive chemicals do what they do is becasue of their very particular structure. If you change the chemistry even a little bit, none of those substances would have much effect at all.




That's not correct, and if I hadn't just typed a ton in the last post I would be willing to explain it.

I explained some of the pharmacology of psychedelics in my last post.

When you say "if you change them a little they are not active" this is not true, PIHKAL and TIHKAL were based on shulgin making very small changes to these compounds, and most remained active...Plus why would they be changed?

As for DNA, crick came up with his panspermia after co-discovering DNA, crick felt there was no way a compound this complex could have evolved on earth.

I think it's more likely than not that the aliens have DNA. With Every life form on earth the DNA double helix spirals the same direction, maybe alien DNA would spiral the other direction, or some minuscule change like that, but If these intelligent beings have bodies made of cells, they likely needed similar conditions to us to evolve, and likely would have evolved in a similar way, using similar amino acids to produce their higher neurotransmitters.

Again I feel life is common, and again mathematics dictate at least percentage of life would have identicle or similar biochemistry. So sure, there could be some life that doesn't, but I feel when we do find life in the universe we will be surprised how similar it is to life on earth.

The table of elements is the same no matter where you are in the universe*, so it's not like they will be all that different, they will be made of all the same elements we are and likely needed similar conditions to evolve, I'm sure a good percentage of life is more similar to earth life than different from it.
(*though we don't have all the elements on earth, and have even had to synthesize a few, due to atomic weights we can predict elements that have yet to be discovered, or synthesize elements we knew should have been next on the chart)

Regardless, the main interest was in these molecules being produced else where in the universe, and the chemical possibilities of the universe, alien consumption was one line in one post...

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    #21999207 - 07/26/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Asteroids and meteorites and full of all the amino acids for life as well as these neurotransmitters to form...

So its probably the most common way life forms and functions in this universe, specially if we are all starting from the same raw materials....which are flying around the universe in meteorites and probably crashing into and innovating plants with life all the time...

Though all my lasts post are mostly speculation, there is accurate information mixed in as well, my chemistry information should be accurate...


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    #21999409 - 07/26/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Nonsense.

The brain takes in something like 12 billion signals per second, all of which enter the brain via the thalamus (except smell), these signals are then heavily filtered down to.what's essential for function in the present moment and what's left is sent to the cortex regions. We actually only perceive a very small percent of the existence around us. These cortex regions is where higher processing occurs, and where you decide what these signals mean. When you take psilocin or DMT it's turning off the filter mechanisms in your thalamus, so your cortex regions are flooded with the whole picture, instead of the small slice of reality we normally perceive, you get it all. The thalamus and the cortex are connected by 5ht2a and 5ht2c receptors, all the classic tryptamine and phenethylamine psychedelics agonize these receptors, and though other pharmacological processes are occurring, the basis of this revolves around this interaction described above.You are actually perceiving MORE of reality on these compounds.

Dr. Rick strassman was also convinced these experiences were genuine.

...as was Rolland Griffiths of John's Hopkins.

Every religion is likely the exegesis of an experience with one of these compounds.

It's not just neurons randomly firing, and you misprecieving this as a mystical experience. Some very educated individuals share this view. Though it was the experience itself which convinced me.

Now for survivals sake we can't be in these highly receptive states all the time, specially as we were evolving, being able to hunt your food, protect yourself from sabor-tooth tigers and other predictors, start a fire, etc...were crucial for survival, so out of necessity our consciousness had to be filtered. (When the Spanish forced the natives to give their entheogens Christian names, the cimora users choose saint peter (San Pedro), for T. Pachanoi, the reasoning was saint Peter holds the keys to the gates of heaven, as does this cactus, and this was before advanced pharmacology let us know about the thalamus acting as a filter and the cortex processing it, before anybody knew these things are actually pharmacological keys, when Huxley spoke of his "consciousness valve" he was actually right.)

When a shaman takes ayahuasca, and sings into his patients stomach, then says to the man "you have stomach parasites" and gives him the plant to heal them, and when asked how he did it he says "the sound waves bouncing through his body allowed me to see inside his stomach", was this the "drugs fucking with him?"...When the shaman can tell you where to hunt, the weather forecast, or be able to tell you who stole the chickens, etc...is this just the "drugs fucking with him"...

...These entheogens provide essential skills to people who don't have x-rays, or GPS hunting tools or 5 day forecasts or cameras on their chickens, etc...they also allow the shaman to contact beings in other galaxy's, beings in other dimensions, and beings in the after death, he actually visits these places while his body waits on earth...some of these dimensions are existing right on top of us simultaneously, others are mind boggling distances away...

I know this sound like airy-fairy nonsense, but keep in mind this is also the world's oldest spiritual practice, and I'm only following in the footsteps of our human ancestors, my interpretation of these experiences is not dissimilar from the reports of shamans since the beginning of history, and I am the modern extention of this line, basement shamans are a new phenomena, but we are guided by thousands of years of experience.

I'm all over the place here, and still did not say all I wanted to, but I'm going to stop here.

-E. Borodin




I think you've got it totally nailed.  Our brain and the typical things we eat and consume, and especially the "legal drugs" of alcohol, sugar, tobacco and caffeine SHRINK the amount of information our brain is processing and serve as additional filters whereas some psychoactives expand the information coming in so we have access to more information in our waking reality and access to non ordinary reality as well.  Our society is pretty cool with legalizing the substances that make us more obedient, more cooperative, more productive from a industrial capacity standpoint and more stupid in some ways.  Where the problems come in is with substances that expand our awareness to see through the veneer of what is a vast enterprise to get 99% of the planet doing things that creates more and more wealth for a tiny, tiny fraction of humans while gradually degrading the health of the planet, exploiting resources until they're gone, paying lip service to real issues of poverty and creating a need/desire for products that are literally turning us into a virtual species.


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    #21999518 - 07/26/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The compounds Shulgin studied are structurally similar to norepinephrine and serotonin. There is really nothing special about those two substances, except they have evolved to be neurotransmitters. Upon a different world, with different environments, what are the chances that we are going to end up with the same neurotransmitters. I don't think it's very likely (unless the aliens share a common ancestor)


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    #21999639 - 07/26/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The compounds Shulgin studied are structurally similar to norepinephrine and serotonin. There is really nothing special about those two substances, except they have evolved to be neurotransmitters. Upon a different world, with different environments, what are the chances that we are going to end up with the same neurotransmitters. I don't think it's very likely (unless the aliens share a common ancestor)




There's a reason why our species and so many species on our planet produce these chemicals in our brains to create all kinds of results while we sleep, 99.99% of which we never even remember.  That seems to be the real affliction of our species is our inability to remember and recall what is happening when our brains switch channels as those brain chemicals start firing up when we fall asleep.  If we were more fluent in those dreaming and out of body states, I think our desire for drugs would go down substantially. 

Why in the world chaotic evolution would somehow choose to give so many species on our planet these amazing dream experiences and out of body travel?  My guess is this is a very basic part of higher consciousness and I'd bet that species all over the universe are experiencing similar kinds of brain chemistry changes to allow more direct experience of non ordinary states of reality.  It's very possible and even likely, that ancient cultures with shamanic orientation MASTERED these states of mind to a level that is technologically WAY AHEAD of where we are today.  They may have discovered portals to knowledge that enabled them to learn about astronomy without telescopes, healing, without the scientific process and what happens after death.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #21999642 - 07/26/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

it doesn't matter anyway by time they ship the alien drugs back to earth 10 years will have passed and it will have lost all its potency.  It'd be like eating stale potato chips, you could do it, but why would u subject yourself to that horror.  at anyrate arn't most things out there, mostly just a handful of chemicals?

like the moon isn't it mostly rocket fuel, mars mostly iron or some shit, pluto mostly something thats something with a tail:shrug:

so i mean im just saying arn't these aliens drugs like only on real alien planets, and also isn't china basically an alien planet with all that shit they are creating in labs over there?


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    #21999647 - 07/26/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

also one last thing, u know how we have a fireball in the sky producing fire n shit?  is it possible that pluto is an ice ball producting ice, and that is where all the water in our solar system came from? like its an chemical ice star or something. i mean i know they have theorys that its not water but what if it is, or maybe its the start of water and a few other things have to happen to turn it the rest of the way


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    #21999653 - 07/26/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ancient cultures were stupid, at least compared to modern standard. It's just absurd to think they had some kind of special understanding. They had mythology and superstition.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #21999688 - 07/26/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Mushrooms contain substances that alter brain functions, causing some people to believe that "minds are the gateway to communication with all other species in the universe and to travel as well." It's just the drugs fucking with you.



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    #21999707 - 07/26/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Ancient cultures were stupid, at least compared to modern standard. It's just absurd to think they had some kind of special understanding. They had mythology and superstition.




You might want to read some greek philosophy and get back to us on how "stupid" they were.  Consider how ancient cultures like the Mayans discovered things like the precession of the equinox ... HOW THE FUCK do you do that without a telescope? 

Consider the construction ability, planning and just overall vision it would take to build the Pyramids or the structures in Peru?  Seriously, these people were not stupid at all.  The Chinese had mapped out the curing properties of thousands of plants reportedly over 5,000 years ago. 

Modern man has his superstitions and mythologies as well, some of which appear more idiotic than the creation myths of ancient man.  Over 2/3 of our planet honestly believes that an apocalyptic messiah will save them and escort them to a paradise world reserved exclusively for true believers. 

If there is any truth at all to the stories of Atlantis or Lemuria it's possible there were civilizations in man's past that might have been technologically  more advanced than we are today.  Given that we're finding more and more submerged structures built on a gigantic scale, it's becoming more and more likely that an ancient, very sophisticated sea oriented culture did indeed exist on our planet.


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    #21999797 - 07/26/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

what makes you say sea oriented?


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    #21999833 - 07/26/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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what makes you say sea oriented?




Obviously, the legends of Atlantis and Lemuria tell of an incredibly sophisticated technologically advanced civilization that was sea oriented.  Add to that the underwater structures they've found in places like the Bahamas, Japan and all around the Mediterranean.  There are many primitive cultures that speak of an extremely advanced civilization that ruled the planet for many centuries.  And, of course, you have the amazing documentation of Edward Cayce's readings that suggest Atlantis was very real. 

My guess is the destruction of Atlantis took time and some of the people established outposts in other places like Sumeria/Egypt, Cancun/Mexico and others.  Atlantis then fell into ancient history as their technology and infrastructure was destroyed and mankind kinda started over but kept those legends.


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    #22000426 - 07/26/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

their cultures were more primitave looking
look at the easter islands statues
how long ago would these cultures have had to exist?
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    #22000431 - 07/26/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

After I die I'm going to torment the people of this earth along with the land walking hairless apes

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    #22000828 - 07/26/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think the reason human hands prune up in the water is cause it gives us better grip

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    #22000940 - 07/26/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I think the reason human hands prune up in the water is cause it gives us better grip




I think it's because your skin gets saturated with water and expands. But, since it is attached to tissue below, it has to buckle giving it the prune texture.

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    #22001164 - 07/26/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

There is evidence to support Konyap here.

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People often assume that wrinkling is the result of water passing into the outer layer of the skin and making it swell up. But researchers have known since the 1930s that the effect does not occur when there is nerve damage in the fingers. This points to the change being an involuntary reaction by the body's autonomic nervous system — the system that also controls breathing, heart rate and perspiration. In fact, the distinctive wrinkling is caused by blood vessels constricting below the skin.




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    #22001181 - 07/26/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Ancient cultures were stupid, at least compared to modern standard. It's just absurd to think they had some kind of special understanding. They had mythology and superstition.




I don't think culturally we have come as far as we have technologically.  I think there are plenty of lessons to be had from the way our ancestors lived, and we don't really know what they were like all we can do is speculate.  I'm sure it was pretty fucked up, I mean humans who didn't have wrinkly fingers didn't survive :uhoh: It's still pretty fucked up today in most places.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #22003067 - 07/27/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Mushroom spores are some of the only potential life forms that survive deep space travel, be it on asteroids, chunks of uneaten pie, you name it.

There is hardcore evidence leaning towards the fact that there was not the shroomy life forms on this planet we have now, until a certain time after the Earth cooled, long after plant life.

This would mean that there is a huge possibility that psychedelic mushrooms are universal, and if they truly are what evolved mammals, then all mammalian life forms in the span of our creation have been evolved by what these spacey spores grow into.








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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
    #22003203 - 07/27/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's about time to start packing your things folks

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
    #22003216 - 07/27/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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  think you've got it totally nailed.  Our brain and the typical things we eat and consume, and especially the "legal drugs" of alcohol, sugar, tobacco and caffeine SHRINK the amount of information our brain is processing and serve as additional filters whereas some psychoactives expand the information coming in so we have access to more information in our waking reality and access to non ordinary reality as well.  Our society is pretty cool with legalizing the substances that make us more obedient, more cooperative, more productive from a industrial capacity standpoint and more stupid in some ways.  Where the problems come in is with substances that expand our awareness to see through the veneer of what is a vast enterprise to get 99% of the planet doing things that creates more and more wealth for a tiny, tiny fraction of humans while gradually degrading the health of the planet, exploiting resources until they're gone, paying lip service to real issues of poverty and creating a need/desire for products that are literally turning us into a virtual species.




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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #22003341 - 07/27/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The compounds Shulgin studied are structurally similar to norepinephrine and serotonin. There is really nothing special about those two substances, except they have evolved to be neurotransmitters. Upon a different world, with different environments, what are the chances that we are going to end up with the same neurotransmitters. I don't think it's very likely (unless the aliens share a common ancestor)




Did you even read my last few posts on the issue of why a common ancestor is not necessarily an issue? Or the reason why these compounds are significant and likely will be common to life?
...Because I'm NOT repeating all of that.



As for your statements regarding shulgin:

It was actually serotonin and dopamine, though serotonin, meletonin, pinoline, Etc..are all tryptamines, and dopamine, epinephrine, norepinephrine, etc...are all phenethylamines.

You are assuming that things in the universe are somehow different than things here, it's all the same laws of chemistry and physics, it's the same table of elements, so what makes you think that chemistry would be any different else where in the universe?

There is something special about amino acids in that they are essential for all life, not only for neurotransmitter formation, but for the formation of the cell as well as DNA. These amino-acids are the building blocks for life and are common in asteroids and meteroites. All the tryptamine and phenethylamine psychedelics as well as your tryptamine and phenethylamine  neurotransmitters were derived from the amino acids L-tryptophan in the case of tryptamines, or tyrosine or phenylalanine, etc... in the case of phenethylamines.

Not only are these compounds variations of neurotransmitters, they are variations of your KEY neurotransmitters, these compounds ARE exogenous neurotransmitters.

I've explained all of this several times...

N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is produced in every human body as well as several animals and plants. It's also one of the most powerful psychedelics known, this in itself makes it special....

AGAIN I feel life is common...so mathematics dictates that at least a percent would be similar or identical to life on earth, so even if some life was not, it wouldn't matter.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22003381 - 07/27/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The compounds Shulgin studied are structurally similar to norepinephrine and serotonin. There is really nothing special about those two substances, except they have evolved to be neurotransmitters. Upon a different world, with different environments, what are the chances that we are going to end up with the same neurotransmitters. I don't think it's very likely (unless the aliens share a common ancestor)




Did you even read my last few posts on the issue of why a common ancestor is not necessarily an issue? Or the reason why these compounds are significant and likely will be common to life?
...Because I'm NOT repeating all of that.



As for your statements regarding shulgin:

It was actually serotonin and dopamine, though serotonin, meletonin, pinoline, Etc..are all tryptamines, and dopamine, epinephrine, norepinephrine, etc...are all phenethylamines.

You are assuming that things in the universe are somehow different than things here, it's all the same laws of chemistry and physics, it's the same table of elements, so what makes you think that chemistry would be any different else where in the universe?

There is something special about amino acids in that they are essential for all life, not only for neurotransmitter formation, but for the formation of the cell as well as DNA. These amino-acids are the building blocks for life and are common in asteroids and meteroites. All the tryptamine and phenethylamine psychedelics as well as your tryptamine and phenethylamine  neurotransmitters were derived from the amino acids L-tryptophan in the case of tryptamines, or tyrosine or phenylalanine, etc... in the case of phenethylamines.

Not only are these compounds variations of neurotransmitters, they are variations of your KEY neurotransmitters, these compounds ARE exogenous neurotransmitters.

I've explained all of this several times...

N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is produced in every human body as well as several animals and plants. It's also one of the most powerful psychedelics known, this in itself makes it special....

AGAIN I feel life is common...so mathematics dictates that at least a percent would be similar or identical to life on earth, so even if some life was not, it wouldn't matter.

-E. Borodin




The KEY question will still remain ... does consciousness create the physical form or does the physical form create consciousness?  Can consciousness exist, grow and thrive without the need for a physical form or body as we know it?  No need for cells or the organization of chemicals in any form at all?  If this is, indeed what real evolution is as we, as beings, progress, then I'd think the universe would be serving up all kinds of stuff whether it's philosophy, messiahs, psychoactive plants and chemicals, music, etc. to help us get out of the illusion of thinking that we are a physical form creating a consciousness that is fragile and finite.  Fear is far more likely in a being that believes consciousness is totally extinguished at death and, I believe, more easily controlled and more obedient to an extent.  Beings that truly feel their consciousness is infinite, cannot be extinguished at death and also have no fear of a judgmental God that will sentence them to eternal damnation are much freer and more dangerous to a top down management system like we have here on planet earth.

People with extreme dream recall ability report that virtually every night, their awareness travels through dimension of awareness as extreme as any psychoactive can create.  Read Robert Monroe's books for a sense of what is going on psychoactively while we sleep. 

WHY is our consciousness doing this every single night and, more importantly, who are so many of us unaware of it?  I think it is very possible that ancient man was far more aware of these consciousness transformations in sleep and, as a result, was learning in ways we in our modern era have completely forgotten or, worse, don't even acknowledge as valid anymore.

Psychoactive plants/fungi are possibly just helping us remember things we already know, but forget virtually every single morning when we wake up.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22003417 - 07/27/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Why would unrelated life forms utilize serotonin, NE, Dopamine the way we do, as neurotransmitters. There is nothing special about them in that role. There's practically an unlimited number of organic compounds that could serve as neurotransmitters, why you think unrelated life in the universe would have evolved to use the same ones as us is beyond me.

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[The KEY question will still remain ... does consciousness create the physical form or does the physical form create consciousness?




That's not an open question. We know the answer. human consciousness is a function of the the physical brain. Show me one example of consciousness existing without a brain. The correlation is 100%. Full consciousness requires a healthy brain. Degradation of brain structures degrades consciousness and destruction of brain structures destroys consciousness,


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #22003442 - 07/27/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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That's not an open question. We know the answer. human consciousness is a function of the the physical brain. Show me one example of consciousness existing without a brain. The correlation is 100%. Full consciousness requires a healthy brain. Degradation of brain structures degrades consciousness and destruction of brain structures destroys consciousness,




Objectively, I would say this is perhaps the most "open" question on the planet.  At least 80% of all humans on this planet do not agree with what you're saying and probably 90%+ of all humans that have existed in our history disagree with your assertion.  We have literally millions of direct personal accounts of humans that have interacted with non-physical beings/entities that seem to intersect with our waking/ordinary reality.  We have after death experiences where the brain is completely inactive and extraordinary things are reported.  We have the teachings and insights from some of the planets greatest minds that directly contradict what you're saying.  We have the Tibetan Buddhists that have studied death more scientifically and rigorously over centuries than any other culture that has proven that consciousness does survive the death process.  We have virtually EVERY ancient culture that testifies that consciousness is temporarily bound to the physical form but has much more access.

The brain is an interface, perhaps, like a computer operating system, that plugs us into this earth based reality.  it is not, however, the the electrical power itself.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus] * 1
    #22003456 - 07/27/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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E.T. Dinos, advanced human like species, crazy new alien technology fueled by a new to us kind of E.T. fuel not known on our planet which enables traveling at the speed of light, portals, cool new plants and mushrooms, all that jazz

http://www.space.com/30021-nasa-unveiling-kepler-exoplanet-discovery-thursday.html

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NASA will unveil a potentially exciting discovery on Thursday (July 23) regarding the search for alien planets.

In a teleconference at 12 p.m. EDT (1600 GMT) tomorrow, the space agency will announce new findings made by the planet-hunting Kepler Space Telescope. You can tune in to the announcement live via an online audio feed provided by NASA. A statement from NASA announcing the teleconference did not provide any additional details as to what new information will be unveiled.

"Exoplanets, especially small Earth-size worlds, belonged within the realm of science fiction just 21 years ago," according to the statement NASA statement. "Today, and thousands of discoveries later, astronomers are on the cusp of finding something people have dreamed about for thousands of years -- another Earth."

Participants in the teleconference will be John Grunsfeld, an associate administrator for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington; Jon Jenkins, Kepler data analysis lead at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, California; Jeff Coughlin, a Kepler research scientist at the SETI Institute in Mountain View, California; and Didier Queloz, a professor of astrophysics at the University of Cambridge, United Kingdom.










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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22003800 - 07/27/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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That's not an open question. We know the answer. human consciousness is a function of the the physical brain. Show me one example of consciousness existing without a brain. The correlation is 100%. Full consciousness requires a healthy brain. Degradation of brain structures degrades consciousness and destruction of brain structures destroys consciousness,




Objectively, I would say this is perhaps the most "open" question on the planet.  At least 80% of all humans on this planet do not agree with what you're saying and probably 90%+ of all humans that have existed in our history disagree with your assertion.



Religious belief is not science. They also believe a virgin can get pregnant and old men can part a sea.

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We have literally millions of direct personal accounts of humans that have interacted with non-physical beings/entities that seem to intersect with our waking/ordinary reality.



Where is the evidence these aren't hallucinations/dream states or delusions?

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We have after death experiences where the brain is completely inactive and extraordinary things are reported.


no we don't. an inactive brain is dead and dead brains have never reported anything.

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We have the teachings and insights from some of the planets greatest minds that directly contradict what you're saying.  We have the Tibetan Buddhists that have studied death more scientifically and rigorously over centuries than any other culture that has proven that consciousness does survive the death process.


monks have not studied death scientifically. Are their findings peer reviewed and have they been tested? do they make accurate predictions?

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We have virtually EVERY ancient culture that testifies that consciousness is temporarily bound to the physical form but has much more access.


ancient cultures have a notoriously poor grasp on natural phenomenon.

The brain is an interface, perhaps, like a computer operating system, that plugs us into this earth based reality.  it is not, however, the the electrical power itself.




absolutely nothing you post is based in reality. it is pseudo-religious bullshit.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #22004180 - 07/27/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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That's not an open question. We know the answer. human consciousness is a function of the the physical brain. Show me one example of consciousness existing without a brain. The correlation is 100%. Full consciousness requires a healthy brain. Degradation of brain structures degrades consciousness and destruction of brain structures destroys consciousness,




Objectively, I would say this is perhaps the most "open" question on the planet.  At least 80% of all humans on this planet do not agree with what you're saying and probably 90%+ of all humans that have existed in our history disagree with your assertion.



Religious belief is not science. They also believe a virgin can get pregnant and old men can part a sea.

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We have literally millions of direct personal accounts of humans that have interacted with non-physical beings/entities that seem to intersect with our waking/ordinary reality.



Where is the evidence these aren't hallucinations/dream states or delusions?

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We have after death experiences where the brain is completely inactive and extraordinary things are reported.


no we don't. an inactive brain is dead and dead brains have never reported anything.

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We have the teachings and insights from some of the planets greatest minds that directly contradict what you're saying.  We have the Tibetan Buddhists that have studied death more scientifically and rigorously over centuries than any other culture that has proven that consciousness does survive the death process.


monks have not studied death scientifically. Are their findings peer reviewed and have they been tested? do they make accurate predictions?

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We have virtually EVERY ancient culture that testifies that consciousness is temporarily bound to the physical form but has much more access.


ancient cultures have a notoriously poor grasp on natural phenomenon.

The brain is an interface, perhaps, like a computer operating system, that plugs us into this earth based reality.  it is not, however, the the electrical power itself.




absolutely nothing you post is based in reality. it is pseudo-religious bullshit.




Listen, bud, I'm not anti-science at all, I don't believe in any Abrahamic Scriptural nonsense, am not waiting for an apocalypse, don't doubt the science on global warming and, in general, believe the scientific process and community is an ENORMOUS benefit to our species.

Having said that, there are limits to the things science and the scientific community is likely to give us answers to.  There is a type of "science religion" that has emerged in the last 50 or so years that states the ONLY evidence we will consider is peer- reviewed evidence from OUR community.  And hey, that's cool, that's kinda like a lot of communities that create a big echo chamber ... it happens in religion, entertainment, politics and, science.  I think this is an element of the human condition, probably a survival instinct to identify and belong to a group, but it serves as a huge blind spot.

For you to say the Tibetans have not studied the death process at great length is akin to a person saying "science is just full of crap, there's no such thing as a big bang."  It's really that level of ignorance.  These are very serious people, functioning at the highest academic level of their culture, incredibly disciplined and examining consciousness at a level of refinement and seriousness that makes your statements quite ludicrous.  The Egyptians did it too and so have other Shamanic societies.  The ancient Taoists could hardly be considered "superstitious" as they had a very scientific and serious method for determining many things, including the process of death. 

I have a very close friend that is a legitimate rocket scientist.  MIT grad, smartest guy from a logic standpoint I've ever met.  Brilliant actually.  And he doesn't have a clue in so many other areas of life.  Minimal human interaction skills.  Says he's never had a spiritual moment in his entire life.  And he's certain there is no such thing as God. 

Strengths and beliefs in one area often distort or blind us to ideas from another.  I am quite open to what theoretical physicists are saying and am also interested in astrophysics as well.  String theory very interesting ... the multi-verse ... multiple dimensions, possibly infinite ... All worth considering.  So is what the Taoists, Tibetans and Egyptians had to say. 

Our Western society is still heavily influenced by the Abrahamic religion taboos that have suppressed our minds to possible answers to the big questions.  I would suggest that you're aggressive put downs of those that consider the possibility that consciousness creates form as opposed to form creating consciousness a bit more seriously.  Because, at some point, you do have to account for the questions of HOW DID CONSCIOUSNESS BEGIN????  Where did all the stuff before the big bang come from.  Saying "I dunno" doesn't really cut it.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22004513 - 07/27/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You would think that if consciousness existed apart from the physical brain, the conciseness of the billions of people who have lived and died on earth would still be around. Where are they? Supposedly we have billions of disembodied conscious entities in existence and billions of people alive to observe them, yet never in human history has a dead person consciousness ever been observed. No evidence of disembodied consciousness exists.

Meanwhile, evidence of the physical nature of consciousness abounds. Altering the physical structure of the brain has a direct and observable effect on consciousness, and brain injuries can destroy the consciousness of a person while preserving the life functions of the body.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #22004558 - 07/27/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You would think that if consciousness existed apart from the physical brain, the conciseness of the billions of people who have lived and died on earth would still be around. Where are they? Supposedly we have billions of disembodied conscious entities in existence and billions of people alive to observe them, yet never in human history has a dead person consciousness ever been observed. No evidence of disembodied consciousness exists.

Meanwhile, evidence of the physical nature of consciousness abounds. Altering the physical structure of the brain has a direct and observable effect on consciousness, and brain injuries can destroy the consciousness of a person while preserving the life functions of the body.




You are completely ignoring the literally MILLIONS of humans through history that have testified to having communicated with humans/ancestors that have died.  In your mind they're all full of shit, and that's OK, but there is a lot of eyewitness testimony that communication with the dead does happen.  The CIA has been running a remote viewing program literally for decades.  How would it be possible for a person's awareness to "leave" the body and travel to other locations to witness what is taking place?  The accounts of people having a direct experience with non physical entities are probably in the millions at this point.  The top Nazi scientist responsible for most of the amazing discoveries in the 30's/40's once said that "they had help" and the Nazi's were carefully aligned with an occult society that performed elaborate ceremonies to interact with inter dimensional beings. 

Please consider that simply because YOU haven't experienced these things or even seriously looked into them doesn't mean others haven't experienced it.  Most humans NEVER experience the mental processes of Hawking when he's deep into his mathematical mind, but even fewer have experienced the kind of consciousness leaps a highly trained Taoist Master might experience after 50 years of intense mediation and Qi Gong practice.  There are quite a few humans that have developed their visual perception to a level that they can detect the energy of non-physical beings around us. 

Your bias is that you look to the scientific community for ALL answers.  They have many answers in many areas and have severe blind spots in others.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22005364 - 07/27/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You are completely ignoring the literally MILLIONS of humans through history that have testified to having communicated with humans/ancestors that have died.  In your mind they're all full of shit, and that's OK, but there is a lot of eyewitness testimony that communication with the dead does happen.



Yet not a single verifiable case.


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    #22005816 - 07/27/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You are completely ignoring the literally MILLIONS of humans through history that have testified to having communicated with humans/ancestors that have died.  In your mind they're all full of shit, and that's OK, but there is a lot of eyewitness testimony that communication with the dead does happen.



Yet not a single verifiable case.





Be honest, how much effort have you personally put n looking at the evidence, studies, testimony etc. that exists on this topic?  When you say "no verifiable case" exists, have you really looked or are you just parroting a statement that is so utterly absurd it's laughable? 

How is it possible for a 2-4 year old child to accurately identify several items that were articles he possessed in a previous lifetime on a table mixed with dozens of other items?  Have you ever read the transcriptions of the thousands of readings by Edgar Cayce?  Or the German Scientist's study at the Technische Universität of Berlin?  How about he experience of Dr. Eben Alexander or Dr. Parnia's study in the UK?  And of course there are studies like this http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/scientific-proof-of-reincarnation-yes-the-soul-exists/ and others. 

My guess is you know nothing of these at all or the many, many others that exist providing very clear evidence that you claim doesn't exist.  Every time I've ever had a discussion with someone that claims there is no evidence, when questioned about it, they have rarely, if ever, looked into it.  I sense the same is true with you and you are simply part of an echo chamber that repeats what you've heard from others in your "community".


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca] * 1
    #22005873 - 07/27/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You are clearly too deep in the woo to look at things with a rational eye. Good luck with your healing crystals and tantric meditation.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #22005919 - 07/27/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You are clearly too deep in the woo to look at things with a rational eye. Good luck with your healing crystals and tantric meditation.




What you've said here is akin to waving the white flag of surrender.  When your bias is exposed and you are presented with the truth that you are completely uninformed on the topic you are arguing, you turn to insult and ridicule.  I'd suggest you research your topic on something this important before parroting the sayings of those who belong to your community. 

Face it, you don't know jack about this topic and have formed your opinion based on 2nd and 3rd hand comments made by other people who haven't researched the topic but believe themselves to be of an elite group of hard evidence demanders ... LMAO!!!  The same kind of knuckleheads that claim no evidence for UFO's exist despite Truman's statements on them, thousands of declassified files from the UK, France, Belgium, Russia, and Brazil that they've never seen or even heard of.  The "club" demanding "more evidence" has never taken the time to examine all the evidence that exists. Too funny.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22006070 - 07/27/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Lol I've debated this garbage many times. There was a laughable thread about dr. Alexander years ago. His account has been thoroughly debunked. Other accounts have been recanted.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #22006764 - 07/27/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Lol I've debated this garbage many times. There was a laughable thread about dr. Alexander years ago. His account has been thoroughly debunked. Other accounts have been recanted.




Yeah, well, your argument is essentially accusing millions, if not billions of humans of being delusional.  Every one of them. That's an extraordinary claim to make.  That every single human that has walked this earth that has had an experience of real conscious contact with a non-physical being is WRONG in their eyewitness testimony. 100% wrong.  That's amazing that anyone could make such a claim.  I'm willing to admit that 95% are wrong for many, many different reasons, but there is going to be a small percentage that are right, by lucid, credible people. 

I'd suggest you read Robert Monroe's three books for one of the most remarkable accounts of what is truly out there by a very scientific and reasonable person that put decades of research into this topic.  His discoveries are nothing short of remarkable. 

When you can explain how it is possible for three people, in different locations, to fall asleep and then go visit the exact same location at the exact same time in a fully lucid dream state and then come back and describe the EXACT SAME events in exact same sequence, then you'll have my attention.  His experiments prove, quite clearly, that our consciousness is very capable of leaving the body and functioning even more lucidly that in our waking state and is able to meet up with other organic and inorganic beings in different locales that cannot be tracked or observed with scientific instruments. 

Monroe was a no nonsense radio executive that applied the scientific process to exploring the non visible realms around us.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22006781 - 07/27/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

HIS experiments are meaningless unless they can be replicated.

James Randi has a million dollar prize for anyone who can simply replicate these kind of experiments in a controlled, scientific manner. Nobody has ever successfully done so.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #22007342 - 07/27/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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HIS experiments are meaningless unless they can be replicated.

James Randi has a million dollar prize for anyone who can simply replicate these kind of experiments in a controlled, scientific manner. Nobody has ever successfully done so.




His "experiments" have been replicated.  Stephen LaBerge has done similar things when he ran Stanford University's sleep lab and, of course, the CIA has been doing this stuff for decades.  And, I have no doubt whatsoever that  you haven't got the foggiest idea of what his experiments even were yet you are insistent they are invalid.  LMAO.  That's what I love about guys like you ... you have no idea what is being done out there but you're certain someone, somewhere has "debunked it" although  you have no idea who that is either. 

You're part of a cult that has bought into an ideology that can't be proven that takes great arrogant pride in thinking your process applies to ever phenomenon on the planet when, in fact, it doesn't.  Every human except for your select cult is delusional, making crap up, lying, deceiving, is superstitious except this tiny select group of .0001% of humanity that has these great scientific minds.

It is estimated that .002% of the scientific community has the physics and math chops to truly and deeply understand the math and physics behind the Big Bang yet 99% of them are convinced that theory is correct.  LMAO!!!!  Too funny.  Science has it's Vatican full of Cardinals that send out the marching orders for the scientific priest class to tell their followers so they can remain card carrying members of the skeptics club of superior intellect.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22008241 - 07/28/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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    #22008301 - 07/28/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Cracks me up how those in the Skeptic Science Cult, when presented with evidence that they don't like or understand, frantically google up any "de-bunker" they can find, don't read the silliness of the de-bunking and quickly conclude ... "see, another one of these liars has been de-bunked."  It's so funny to watch the knee jerk reactions and yet absolutely no knowledge at all of what is going on around them outside the cultish science community.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #22008310 - 07/28/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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he KEY question will still remain ... does consciousness create the physical form or does the physical form create consciousness?  Can consciousness exist, grow and thrive without the need for a physical form or body as we know it?  No need for cells or the organization of chemicals in any form at all?




Though I can not answer your first question with any certainty I can speculate based off my personal experiences in consciousness exploration and expansion on your 2nd.

I feel a physical form is in no way essential to conscious existance, when I smoke dimethyltryptamine it seems my consciousness is being separated from my physical form in a manner not dissimilar from what happens at death (only with DMT there's some invisible rope with one end tied to your physical body and one end connected to your conscious-being, so before you can go any further into the after death your returned to your body in the state and time that you left it in)

Consciousness in no way needs a physical body, but physical existence may need consciousness. So, say this entire universe was here with out any conscious observers, would it really even exist if nothing conscious was there to observe it?



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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22008340 - 07/28/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Consciousness in no way needs a physical body, but physical existence may need consciousness. So, say this entire universe was here with out any conscious observers, would it really even exist if nothing conscious was there to observe it?

-E. Borodin




The speculation that consciousness somehow springs from chemicals that become magically arranged, to me is just silly.  That the universe existed in a state of ZERO consciousness at some point, because chemicals had not assembled themselves into arrangements that we recognize here on our little outpost (Earth) with our microscopes.  It's ludicrous, really.

There are probably an infinite number of "ways" that consciousness can exist, some by temporarily inhabiting a physical form ... some organic, some not.  Most drugs that create the experiences you describe are simply prompting very natural processes that happen while we sleep virtually every night but unfortunately forget.  The Taoists have maintained that the number one "flaw" of the human species is that we horrible memories.  We forget what and who we were before birth and we forget the journeys we take EVERY SINGLE NIGHT that would give us all the answers we need into who we are and where we come form

This, I speculate, is where ancient man may have had an advantage on us.  There are indigenous cultures (aborigines, Kogi, etc.) that have cultivated dreaming awareness to a level that would astound most humans if they had even an inkling of what they do in these states. 

We use strong psychoactives because we have lost our ability to consciously experience these natural processes.  Interestingly, the Taoists, Tibetans, Gnostics of the early Christian Era and some esoteric native American shamanic traditions all assert that modern man's memory problems are not organic at all ... that this is the consequence of a superior species that has deliberately disrupted our memories for a long, long time.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22008344 - 07/28/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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WHY is our consciousness doing this every single night and, more importantly, who are so many of us unaware of it?  I think it is very possible that ancient man was far more aware of these consciousness transformations in sleep and, as a result, was learning in ways we in our modern era have completely forgotten or, worse, don't even acknowledge as valid anymore.




The aborigines of Australia believed that no person dreamed for himself, so every morning the community gets together and everybody shares their dreams, which are combined and interpreted by by the group and the shaman.

I don't know all that much about it, but if you look into aboriginal people of Australia and their "dream time", you can obtain better information on this topic...

(These people were DMT users, though they managed to keep this a protected secret from outsiders better than most cultures...)



I think consciousness is the one area we've been under constant attack from all directions...

You know how if you look at a person who is not looking at you, they will turn towards you, as if they could feel someone watching? Is this not psychic ability we all have? (Studies have been conducted on this exact topic, and a far higher percentage of the time than chance would allow, the subject knew when he was being looked at...

Culture will tell you this is nonsense or coincidence....

Who was it that said "a coincidence is what you have when you apply a bad theory"
Meaning what you perceive as coincidences is a set of related events which you failed to detect...

Consciousness has many abilities that are denied by our culture...

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22008366 - 07/28/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The aborigines of Australia believed that no person dreamed for himself, so every morning the community gets together and everybody shares their dreams, which are combined and interpreted by by the group and the shaman.

I don't know all that much about it, but if you look into aboriginal people of Australia and their "dream time", you can obtain better information on this topic...






What a tiny, tiny fraction of our population is aware of is that there are groups of humans that can go to sleep in different locations and MEET UP in dream/astral locations and explore TOGETHER these astral worlds/possibilities.  There have been numerous scientific sleep studies to verify this with brain wave and eye movement monitoring that proves that these lucid dreamers are communicating back to their dream labs, the exact moment when they meet up in astral space.  It is absolutely fascinating research that takes the astral realm out of the hallucination mode and turns it into "space" that we can explore together in real time. 

Instead of learning to utilize this amazing inner power, we are instead being lured into false cyber (matrix?) worlds that are sold to us and carefully managed by corporations collecting monthly fees.  We have been convinced not to trust the worlds that we access through our inner vision (insight) and to trust, instead, the false reality that is being created for us by for profit multi-nationals. 

And, the Science Skeptic Cult crowd is leading the way in terms of selling false reality to the masses as they replace the religious priest class with a corporate priest class that does what their funders pay for.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22008496 - 07/28/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Cracks me up how those in the Skeptic Science Cult, when presented with evidence that they don't like or understand, frantically google up any "de-bunker" they can find, don't read the silliness of the de-bunking and quickly conclude ... "see, another one of these liars has been de-bunked."  It's so funny to watch the knee jerk reactions and yet absolutely no knowledge at all of what is going on around them outside the cultish science community.




I know exactly what these claims of near death experiences, seeing heaven and out of body experiences are about. Nothing about them defies natural explanations. You are foolish to build a foundation of belief upon the testimony of people who were unconscious at the time of their experiences.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #22008551 - 07/28/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I know exactly what these claims of near death experiences, seeing heaven and out of body experiences are about. Nothing about them defies natural explanations. You are foolish to build a foundation of belief upon the testimony of people who were unconscious at the time of their experiences.




What you may not be aware of is that in scientific sleep laboratories, the people in the lab monitoring those in lucid dreaming states as indicated by brain wave monitoring that cannot be faked can COMMUNICATE in real time with the people in LUCID dreaming consciousness which is a form of waking consciousness.  Eye movements made in lucid dreaming consciousness are coincidentally identical to what the physical body does. So, if in a lucid dream the dreamer moves his eyes three times up and down, the physical body does the same.  As such, there is a real time communication tool back to the lab.

How is it possible for three different people to fall asleep in different locations, meet up at a pre-determined astral location at a specific time, meet and speak with a cyber entity and then come back and report the exact same details and quotes from that conversation?  These experiments are set up to insure there is no way the results can be faked. 

The CIA has far more sophisticated research into this they've been doing for decades.  Do you think they're just waisting money on these projects? 

Seriously, I doubt you know anything at all about this topic.  Have you ever read Robert Monroe's books?  It is conclusive evidence that there are worlds upon worlds out there that are very organized that human consciousness can tune into, explore and participate in. 

Unfortunately, no one in your science skeptic cult develops their minds to be able to access these states and in the rare situation when one does, he/she is black balled from the skeptic cult as a fringe outlier never to be trusted again.  The science skeptic crowd must stay within the boundaries that the various funding sources define in order to stay on the gravy train and must play a very active role in discrediting the outliers so that a high level of obedience can be maintained.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22008609 - 07/28/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The speculation that consciousness somehow springs from chemicals that become magically arranged, to me is just silly




Your conscious-being and your physical body are so deeply intertwined that it's near impossible to distinguish the two.
(Much like algae, which is a lichen and a fungus, but until electron microscopes were assumed to be a single organism)

The physical body has incredible influence over your conscious state, your conscious-being is hard-wired into your physical body so deeply that you perceive the slightest signals from every nerve, these neurotransmitters are the physical form of perceptions or "feelings".

The fact the the feeling of a mystical state, or death and the after life has a physical form has always fascinated me.

Just as happiness is a result of serotonin and dopeamine, love and pair bonding is a result of oxytocin with periodic dope amine and serotonin flushes as well as epinephrine, and so on, these chemicals, these neurotransmitters, are in fact the physical form of our emotional states and psychological process.

Consciousness is not generated by these compounds, but so long as the body and your conscious-being are connected, it's these compounds that have ultimate influence over the your conscious state. Which is also why the exogenous neurotransmitters fascinate me, as well as the fact that DMT is produced endogenously. There's a compound called "pinoline" which is 6-MEO-tetrahydro-beta-Carboline, and is near identical to the harmala alkaloids found in Banisteriopsis caapi or peganum harmala. So there's really nothing in traditional ayahuasca that is not already in your body, it also means that under certain conditions tour body could release a large amount of stored pinoline inhibiting mono amine oxidase enzymes, while simultaneously releasing stored endogenous DMT, creating an ayahuasca experience 100% endogenous my, which is likely what the mystical experience is a result of.
(Though I have reasoned that before the exodus Moses borrowed an ayahuasca analogue recipe from the Egyptians, it contained peganum harmala and acacia nilotica. Now, the priests made a living off of interpreting God for the masses, all those sacrificed animals were eaten by the priests, all the donations to God were kept by the priests, so they kept their method of directly connecting to God secret, which is why Moses would disappear for days on end to talk to God, he would go up mount Sinai to prepare and drink ayahuasca analogues, then come back with messages from God...but this is all another topic, so I'll stop here)
The burning Bush was acacia nilotica

(Tryptophan goes in the body, this is an essential amino acid, because if we did not receive it through our diet, we would not be able to produce crucial neurotransmitters, thus it's essential we consume it. (Tryptophan is also the compound from which psilocybe fungi produce psilocybin and from which DMT containing plants produce DMT),this tryptophan is then coverted to 5-hydroxy-tryptophan, then decarboxtylated to serotonin (5-hydroxy-tryptamine),which enters the pineal gland and is then converted to N-acetyl-5-hydroxy-tryptamine, then to N-acetyl-5-methoxy-tryptamine (meletonin), then  6-methoxy-terra-hydro-beta-Carboline (pinoline)....Buddhist monks and yogis have tested to have higher amounts of pinoline present in their bodies from the average person. We do not know where DMT is produced in the body, but because of all the tryptamine chemistry that occurs in the pineal gland this has been the most prominent guess.

These fungi produce psilocybin from tryptophan intentionally, this is not a waste product, it's not a tertiary compound, and it's absolutely not a poison, these fungi are putting all of their effort into producing these compounds. These fungi are obviously saying "if you have a human brain I have information fir you", they are striving to be our symbiotes, it's no coincidence stropharia cubensis grow from cattle dung, they want to be close to primates with highly advanced brains, so they become a product of the cow, one of our main staples of diet. It's obvious these things want to be symbiotic with us.

Ok I'm getting way too far off track.

Yes, I feel it's silly to believe that consciousness is generated by the physical body, but at the same time these chemicals, these exogenous neurotransmitters are the keys to inner space, there's a universe sized area within your own head, and you can quite literally explore it, but you must have the keys...Again, going off topic, I was trying to say I feel there is something inherent my special about tryptamine and phenethylamine psychedelics and neurotransmitters.



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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22008621 - 07/28/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The aborigines of Australia believed that no person dreamed for himself, so every morning the community gets together and everybody shares their dreams, which are combined and interpreted by by the group and the shaman.

I don't know all that much about it, but if you look into aboriginal people of Australia and their "dream time", you can obtain better information on this topic...






What a tiny, tiny fraction of our population is aware of is that there are groups of humans that can go to sleep in different locations and MEET UP in dream/astral locations and explore TOGETHER these astral worlds/possibilities.  There have been numerous scientific sleep studies to verify this with brain wave and eye movement monitoring that proves that these lucid dreamers are communicating back to their dream labs, the exact moment when they meet up in astral space.  It is absolutely fascinating research that takes the astral realm out of the hallucination mode and turns it into "space" that we can explore together in real time. 

Instead of learning to utilize this amazing inner power, we are instead being lured into false cyber (matrix?) worlds that are sold to us and carefully managed by corporations collecting monthly fees.  We have been convinced not to trust the worlds that we access through our inner vision (insight) and to trust, instead, the false reality that is being created for us by for profit multi-nationals. 

And, the Science Skeptic Cult crowd is leading the way in terms of selling false reality to the masses as they replace the religious priest class with a corporate priest class that does what their funders pay for.




I posted my last post without editing it to respond to this one.

I think your 100% right.

As I said our consciousness is under attack, for what ever reason culture as a whole attempts to suppress and discredit this type of mental exploration...

We can look in the depths of space and into the heart of the atom and the deepest oceans, but when it comes to exploring your own mind in cultures view your crossing the line...

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22008650 - 07/28/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The body is our bio-interface to this earth based reality.  Consciousness can create all kinds of chemical reactions in the body and chemical reactions can create all kinds of consciousness reactions. 

The most effective humans are not a "victim" of their body chemistry and addiction, but, instead, learn to gain more and more conscious and pro active control of how their body serves their consciousness goals.  Through conscious choice of diet, exercise, rest, medication, the eradication of addictions and toxic chemicals and the application of self discipline in activities like meditation, one can exercise an increased level of control and influence over what chemicals the body is creating to help in the conscious exploration of our physical existence. 

Ineffective humans seem a victim of their chaotic chemical reactions often (but not always) a reaction to poor choices made in the recent past. 

There are very few humans in our species that will not experience increased happiness, vitality and fitness from simple diet, exercise, rest, meditation and elimination of toxins in their routines that give them a dramatic increase in conscious control of their body chemistry.  And I mean VERY, VERY FEW. 

Many, if not most, of those in the science skeptic cult group have no more conscious control of their diet, exercise, rest, toxins and mental development routines than the average person and, as such are poor candidates to assess the capabilities of humans that have far more access to non physical states of reality than they do.  And, many in this science skeptic class spend an extraordinary amount of time engaged with computers, screens, data, cyber oriented information and whiz bang technology that disconnects them from nature and the inner states of mind that could so easily enlighten their perspective.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22008729 - 07/28/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

why are all the posts in this thread so god dam blocky and worded in such a way to make me feel stupid?

im all for insightful posts, but every single one of them like this is taxing on my brain

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    #22018579 - 07/30/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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why are all the posts in this thread so god dam blocky and worded in such a way to make me feel stupid?

im all for insightful posts, but every single one of them like this is taxing on my brain

sorry, carry on




I suppose we have just thought very deeply about these topics, the deeper you contemplate a topic the more complex it will become, as you add in relating features to said topic it expands and begins to encompass more and more aspects of existence...

...after long enough your left with what's above...

Sorry for all the dry chemistry stuff, I know that can be boring if your not a chemistry freak.

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    #22019237 - 07/30/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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why are all the posts in this thread so god dam blocky and worded in such a way to make me feel stupid?

im all for insightful posts, but every single one of them like this is taxing on my brain

sorry, carry on




I suppose we have just thought very deeply about these topics, the deeper you contemplate a topic the more complex it will become, as you add in relating features to said topic it expands and begins to encompass more and more aspects of existence...

...after long enough your left with what's above...

Sorry for all the dry chemistry stuff, I know that can be boring if your not a chemistry freak.

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    #22023701 - 07/31/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



I was watching this film this morning and was instantly reminded of the conversation when we were discussing consciousness, and how it's not being generated by the physical body. This is a constant theme through out the film and is discussed in depth and from several different aspects of the phenomenon.

Though I practice shamanism, I'm not sure I would go around saying "I am a shaman", I have experienced shamanic initiation, I know the shamanic plants incredibly well, as well as their preperation and their history both shamanic and western, (I'm also skilled in modern organic chemistry and I incorporate the extracted, pure, compounds as well as some synthetics into my practice) I am working with an experienced plant shaman from Ecuador, and I use entheogenic plants for shamanic, spiritual,  and purposes of exploring inner space, as well as attempting to understand existence and my purpose in it and relation to it, entheogenic plants are the center of my spiritual practice, though I also incorporate Buddhism and meditation, Taoism, Gnosticism, Hinduism, brain wave entrainment via isochronic tones and binaural beats, dreaming and lucid dreaming, novel meditation techniques, breathwork, ordeal and ordeal compounds, I also incorporate drumming and trance, sensory deprivation, mindmachines/dreamachines...basically every form of mental exploration and worth while spirituality (meaning  sifting through all the detritus and nonsense which is discarded and incorporating everything else) ...though healing is always a goal of shamanism, and I am not a healer...well, I have never attempted to heal , which is why I say I practice shamanism or shamanic entheogenic plant exploration, and at some level I consider myself a shaman, but I do not make the claim of being a shaman. Regardless the film above discusses many aspects of my spiritual practice, and covers many of the topics that we have discussed b this thread.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22023748 - 07/31/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Life must have a way to travel between the stars, and since physical objects are limited to the speed of light, either we are going to have to employ some complex techniques of getting around this problem, such as folding space or worm-holes, or we are gong to have to build ships capable of supporting generation after generation of people for thousands of years until the destination is reached...

¦±(wild speculation below this point)
Or maybe experiences such as the experiences induced by dimethyltryptamine or high dose psilocin are our direct link between the stars, between dimensions, and between life and death, and though nothing physical can cross these boundaries information and consciousness can. It's funny how seti has radio telescopes monitoring the universe for an extra terrestrial signal, when thinking that this is the way in which contact should occur is incredibly culturally biased, it's far more likely that contact occurs and has been occuring in the hyerdimetions of consciousness...since the begining of time this appears to be how contact occurs...and its actually an ingenious way for this to happen, it's far more likely that advanced extraterrestrials, as well as hyperdimentionals and the dead are all using these same channels and path-ways of consciousness and these same dimensions to interact...

Though it is also possible that physical extra-terrestrial have been and still are interacting with this planet...

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22023771 - 07/31/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

...just a few more random thoughts:

So what happened with this life filled planet that NASA was to announce?


Did you ever wonder how on dry land evolution has produced several intelligent hominids, the Neanderthals were very much like us but were a separate genetic line...but that there are no intelligent beings which live in the oceans?...I've always thought that there should have been a supper intelligent race of beings that evolved on earth but that lives under the ocean...

Did you know Jupiter puts out twice as much radiation as it can produce?...

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22023782 - 07/31/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Its an interesting thought, to "communicate" with possible life on the planet using shrooms or DMT.

The problem is you cannot focus shrooms or DMT to that particular planet. Even if u meditated all day about this new planet, the trip will take u elsewhere.

Psychedelics just dont have the fine-precision that radio and optical telescopes have.

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    #22024038 - 07/31/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Its an interesting thought, to "communicate" with possible life on the planet using shrooms or DMT.

The problem is you cannot focus shrooms or DMT to that particular planet. Even if u meditated all day about this new planet, the trip will take u elsewhere.

Psychedelics just dont have the fine-precision that radio and optical telescopes have.




Probably depends on the person and preparation.  There are some that have mastered lucid dreaming and out of body travel that can use a "small" boost of psychedelics to spring off of.  If you're going for a really big dose, however, chances are your control of the destination is diminished.  Of course, those that have mastered lucid dreaming and out of body travel are tapping into natural hallucinogenics and don't need that boost anyway.

Humans, for the most part, have lost touch with how to harvest the magic of the Pineal Gland.  This is an enormous mistake and a direct result of the type of world we've been creating for thousands of years.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22024041 - 07/31/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Life must have a way to travel between the stars, and since physical objects are limited to the speed of light, either we are going to have to employ some complex techniques of getting around this problem, such as folding space or worm-holes, or we are gong to have to build ships capable of supporting generation after generation of people for thousands of years until the destination is reached...

¦±(wild speculation below this point)
Or maybe experiences such as the experiences induced by dimethyltryptamine or high dose psilocin are our direct link between the stars, between dimensions, and between life and death, and though nothing physical can cross these boundaries information and consciousness can. It's funny how seti has radio telescopes monitoring the universe for an extra terrestrial signal, when thinking that this is the way in which contact should occur is incredibly culturally biased, it's far more likely that contact occurs and has been occuring in the hyerdimetions of consciousness...since the begining of time this appears to be how contact occurs...and its actually an ingenious way for this to happen, it's far more likely that advanced extraterrestrials, as well as hyperdimentionals and the dead are all using these same channels and path-ways of consciousness and these same dimensions to interact...

Though it is also possible that physical extra-terrestrial have been and still are interacting with this planet...

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Awareness is not necessarily what we think of as life.  That's where a lot of confusion can come in.  Awareness can travel, perhaps "life" as we define it, cannot travel those vast distances.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22036339 - 08/03/15 04:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Biological organisms on other planets are insignificant to the life forms that have transcended physical bodies on this Earth. Earth and its reality is populated by many, many types of beings that are beyond anything we can imagine by todays science.


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    #22036394 - 08/03/15 05:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What makes you think organisms on other planets are insignificant compared to ones here?


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    #22036547 - 08/03/15 07:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Its an interesting thought, to "communicate" with possible life on the planet using shrooms or DMT.

The problem is you cannot focus shrooms or DMT to that particular planet. Even if u meditated all day about this new planet, the trip will take u elsewhere.

Psychedelics just dont have the fine-precision that radio and optical telescopes have.




Your are and are not right.

In the hands of the unskilled it's completely  random, nobody can guess if you will go between the stars or into the after death...

Which is where shamanic ritual comes in, the shaman has "phone numbers" to specific beings and locations, though instead of dialing on a phone the "number" is a song (called an icaro), or a specific act or action, so when we see the shaman jumping around and singing and waving his rattle about, we perceive it as primitive ritual, when in reality he is enacting this "fine tuning" your speaking of, and each ritual and song summons a specific being or place.

Though it seems like chaos, what goes on in hyper-space is intricately ordered, and can be controlled to a degree...

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22036577 - 08/03/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If NASA won't come clean about info and pics they have about the moon, I doubt they  would provide anything juicy about other planets.

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Biological organisms on other planets are insignificant to the life forms that have transcended physical bodies on this Earth. Earth and its reality is populated by many, many types of beings that are beyond anything we can imagine by todays science.




Everything in the universe is relative to everything else, even if the impact is not perceivable, everything existing together has an impact on everything else, just the fact that we exist on this earth sends out ripples of impacts through the cosmos....had our earth not been here with our life on it, the universe would have been fundamentally changed, which could be effecting existence in other planets, galaxy's, and dimensions...

Again I know it's not probable, but apparently the dead, Gods, hyperdimentionals and beings from other planets are all using these same informational pathways...and even though it seems improbable all conscious beings appear to be connected in hyperspace...as if consciousness is a whole which splits off pieces of itself to form physical beings, the beings then die, and rejoin the whole of universal consciousness then split off into another physical existence, every time this happens and you incarnate you could be a human or a dog or a bug on earth or you could be an extraterrestrial in another galaxy or an extraterrestrial "animal" on another planet or a physical being in another dimension disconnected from our universe, but we are all part of the same whole and regardless how much space or how many dimensions are put between these split off subjective physical consciousnesses, they are all connected, because they were all one and they ARE all one...It's seems very rare that you would incarnate the same planet or dimension more than once, specially with an infinite number of places to incarnate to...this is what DMT shows me, and strangely enough it's very similar to what the eastern religions have been saying all along...

This is just what I gather from a combinations of experiances through hyperspace and the after death via DMT and yage...These are INFORMATIONAL pathways as well as conscious pathways...

I'm not saying this is in fact truth, just something I was told in hyperspace...

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: abductee]
    #22036583 - 08/03/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Aliens are squares, and have no real.sense of humour..least the ones ive met.

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    #22036587 - 08/03/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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If NASA won't come clean about info and pics they have about the moon, I doubt they  would provide anything juicy about other planets.




As a branch of the military/government they are allowed to classify information, and are in no way obligated to dispense truth, therefore NASA is not a scientific organization, because science objectivly gathers and shares information regardless of the informations political or sociological effects...

We need an objective civilian scientific space research and exploration program if we are ever going to receive truthful, accurate, and objective scientific data in this area.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22036591 - 08/03/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah I think they are pretty much a private organisation that gets contracts.. something like that.

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    #22036606 - 08/03/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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yeah I think they are pretty much a private organisation that gets contracts.. something like that.




NASA is a branch of the United states government that employs civilians, however those civilians are subject to the same guidelines as military personnel when it comes to classified data, NASA is more or less an off-shoot of the military...

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    #22036617 - 08/03/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Actually it's under "independent agencies" controlled by the executive branch of government officially...
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    #22036662 - 08/03/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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If NASA won't come clean about info and pics they have about the moon, I doubt they  would provide anything juicy about other planets.




As a branch of the military/government they are allowed to classify information, and are in no way obligated to dispense truth, therefore NASA is not a scientific organization, because science objectivly gathers and shares information regardless of the informations political or sociological effects...

We need an objective civilian scientific space research and exploration program if we are ever going to receive truthful, accurate, and objective scientific data in this area.

-E. Borodin




We are in space primarily to understand and respond to the Alien presence in our solar system.

Our PR program for the masses is a sideshow.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22036697 - 08/03/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, you have to pick up pieces here and there to try and get an idea of the bigger picture. Even once you get a bunch of pieces together the puzzle gets bigger.

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    #22037113 - 08/03/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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yeah, you have to pick up pieces here and there to try and get an idea of the bigger picture. Even once you get a bunch of pieces together the puzzle gets bigger.




It's difficult to understand many of the things that are going on on this planet until you realize that there truly is a connection between technology, aliens and planetary leadership.


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    #22037627 - 08/03/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How so


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How so




1. Humans long term fascination with gold and all the slave labor it takes to get it
2. The fact that virtually every creation myth or story from every culture going back thousands of years all agreeing advanced beings have interacted with the human species and played a strong role in our creation even to the extend of genetic engineering
3. The system of royalty descending or being bestowed on families/individuals from the Gods that exists to this day in many countries and in key religions
4. The amazing leaps in technology in the 1930's/40's and testimony from top Nazi scientists that alien "help" was involved
5. The "ceremonies" often involving very powerful cults, of invoking various inter dimensional powers or beings for help.
6. The nature of the Abrahamic religions that influence so much on our planet.  Advanced beings, angels, intermediaries and a system of divine rule that permeates these religious systems
7. The many, many accounts of very credible military people of reverse engineering projects of alien technology, alien ships and alien activity around nuclear facilities
8. The relatively obvious cover up of very clear incidents of alien beings intersecting with our reality and complete ignoring of the issue by every president since Truman.
9. The amazing acceleration of technology to turn humans into a species that spends a huge amount of time interacting with cyber reality while the planet is depleted of resources and vitality in pursuit of enormous profits that are distributed to a tiny, tiny fraction of the wealth class
10. How the wealth class (corporations) have essentially taken over global governance and effectively employ and/or contract out governing to an elected political class.

Many others.

Many others.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22037734 - 08/03/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ancient Aliens is entertainment, not a history lesson.


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    #22037815 - 08/03/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ancient Aliens is entertainment, not a history lesson.




Are you aware of the global disclosure movement with military UFO files around the world and the fact that the US is the only country holding out at this point and not signed onto it ... Thousands of military files are now available yet none of it is reported on by US media.

Why would the US Government force employees in top secret projects to sign a non disclosure to not discuss contact with aliens or alien technology projects.


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    #22037849 - 08/03/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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yeah, you have to pick up pieces here and there to try and get an idea of the bigger picture. Even once you get a bunch of pieces together the puzzle gets bigger.





so tell us, what's the picture


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22037855 - 08/03/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Why would the US Government force employees in top secret projects to sign a non disclosure to not discuss contact with aliens or alien technology projects.






do you happen to have a copy of this NDA?

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #22037867 - 08/03/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You're so droll! They should record for posterity!


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    #22038238 - 08/03/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I know all this, but would have difficulty listing them out unless I really sat and thought about it.. I looked into it and  watched a lot of documentaries, you tube videos, some stuff I've dismissed but other stuff you have to weight the evidence, look at who's making what statements, maybe try and understand their core values, their reputation and what they could possibly gain by lying about their statements..
    I'll probably be made fun of, lol but I picked my name for a reason. I've had two occasions where I was allowed to remember, or my mind remembered. The first time that I had something vivid and no doubt real happen was in 2004 or 2005, that was waking up being paralized from fear, and its hard to really say "waking up" because it was like all of a sudden I'm scared shitless and i'm looking at this whispy figure that was menacing and it was darker then the rooom, my thoughts were " I dont want to look at this, but I cant move" the only thing I was able to do was kinda look down and away from this figure that was starring with no eyes.. just bearing into me.. I finally was able to force myself to talk, but it was more a mumble through trembled lips. " jessicccaa.. Jeessicaaa.. rrrroll me over...therre something in the corner.". she was a big woman at six foot, and it took her a couple tries to roll me over and we fell to sleep..
  the next morning was weird.. I was like.. I told her what happend and we kinda dismissed it after a few days. I thought it was a demon or something evil, but like 3 or 4  years ago I heard about other people experiencing this. Thats what actually made me remember that event, someone described that figure exactly as I remember it and It came flooding back and It kinda led me to believe that demons and angels could well just be a higher evolved species and a lot of folk lore and religeous beliefs and events were actually describing what we would call now at our higher intelligence and alien encounters.. anyways.. this has just been the ramblings.. dont quote me. This is just one view I see things through.






lol some pics I had on my computer, I think it shows that things have been seen in the sky for a long time and people put it in paintings.

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    #22038266 - 08/03/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

far out man, its a bunch of colors that blend into flowers, or maybe its a bunch of colors that form the word " Groovy" in the middle. lol

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    #22038273 - 08/03/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

no its a fish.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: abductee]
    #22038437 - 08/03/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I did say there were two times I feel I had an encounter, so without being long winded, I will tell you what happened.
  I was sitting on my bed watching you tube, it was the end of november 2012. It was late at night, past midnight maybe around 1 ish, I like to stay up late because its the time I get to myself. So i'm sitting there on my bed one moment and then the next i'm staring at this mirror looking square that has a red loopy line going through it. It reminded me of one of those square sticky bar mirrors, anyways im' looking at it and i'm thinking " i dont know what you want me to do??" but I feel dopped up kinda and slow, like i'm kinda hazy. I couldnt quite make out what I was being told, like there was a voice in my head, but all I could make out was " bend reality" and I turned my head and was like " I dont know what you want me to do?"  and as I turned my head I saw a corridor that had a curve to it. There were like these I beams coming down from the cieling,but to say there was a seeing is hard  because I was kinda dopy and I looked to my side briefly and my eye was caught by the corridor and the dim light. everything was metal or metalic but it was a dark metal. So I turn my head back to the mirror and i'm just focused on that and I see this finger come beside me and my eye kinda fallowed the tip of the finger, and it pressed on the red line and the mirror moved like it was molten and it took the red line and it kinda stuck to his finger or he dragged it down to the seven oclock position and I woke up in my bed in an instant and I had that sense I wasnt alone or someone just left ( i've woke up to danger before with that sense that i'm not alone) so I sat there and processed what just happened and I felt like there was something I needed to hold onto I was fully awake at that point and kinda scared, I texted my mom, it was just after three and she was still up so I went next door and told her what happened. She told me it was a dream, but It felt so real and the feeling I had after I woke up was weird. I've never dreamed like that.. but Im like on the fence like 98 percent sure I was abducted.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: badchad]
    #22038940 - 08/03/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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l0l, you clearly didn't watch/listen
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I didn't, but did read the NASA press release.

So this sucker is

60% larger than earth, 5 percent further from its sun, older than earth, and its mass and composition are "not yet determined".

But they're both spherical, so yeah, totally like earth.




From this distance we can't prove life exists on a planet just by knowing its mass density and composition. Of course in our solar system we couldn't anyway without setting down on a planet.

What I mean though is, if you could see earth from Mars you could see green life and tons of seperated colors from the rest of the land mass, but the continents will be mostly green. With spectro analysis you could see that that is probably life.

But a planet too far away the image won't even be high res enough to see the green continents.

Question: how does NASA intend to prove there is life on this planet? This is all a hoax. Its all over hype. No planet that far can be proven to have life on it. Otherwise how is that even possible?


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: imachavel]
    #22038965 - 08/03/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

One indirect way is doing an infrared photo of the surface temps. Temperate/tropical temps indirectly show plant life.

Also, theres a telescope that detects wavelenghts of light bounced off the surface and can determine the planets surface composition. Kinda like a Mass Spectrometer In Space.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22039465 - 08/03/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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One indirect way is doing an infrared photo of the surface temps. Temperate/tropical temps indirectly show plant life.

Also, theres a telescope that detects wavelenghts of light bounced off the surface and can determine the planets surface composition. Kinda like a Mass Spectrometer In Space.




Like I said, how far can the planet be away and that resolution will show up accurate enough on an object so deep in space?

I know infrared and spectrometry don't need "res" in the sense that we know what res is to be so high resolution. But at that distance the resolution for even images that just require basic composition can be so bad. Do we know the quality for images we can get off this planet at the distance? Sorry to be so general. I'm just trying to get some basic sense of what they are uncovering here.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: imachavel]
    #22039470 - 08/03/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There's also something called the golden arch, I believe it's called. It's the distance a planet orbits from its sun and with the  calculations they can predict if life could live on the planet..not too hot, not too cold..

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    #22039514 - 08/03/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Actually maybe it's called the Goldie locks area..lol

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: imachavel]
    #22039610 - 08/03/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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One indirect way is doing an infrared photo of the surface temps. Temperate/tropical temps indirectly show plant life.

Also, theres a telescope that detects wavelenghts of light bounced off the surface and can determine the planets surface composition. Kinda like a Mass Spectrometer In Space.




Like I said, how far can the planet be away and that resolution will show up accurate enough on an object so deep in space?

I know infrared and spectrometry don't need "res" in the sense that we know what res is to be so high resolution. But at that distance the resolution for even images that just require basic composition can be so bad. Do we know the quality for images we can get off this planet at the distance? Sorry to be so general. I'm just trying to get some basic sense of what they are uncovering here.




NASA announced they found an exoplanet. All this alien crap is in OP's head.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #22039612 - 08/03/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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One indirect way is doing an infrared photo of the surface temps. Temperate/tropical temps indirectly show plant life.

Also, theres a telescope that detects wavelenghts of light bounced off the surface and can determine the planets surface composition. Kinda like a Mass Spectrometer In Space.




Like I said, how far can the planet be away and that resolution will show up accurate enough on an object so deep in space?

I know infrared and spectrometry don't need "res" in the sense that we know what res is to be so high resolution. But at that distance the resolution for even images that just require basic composition can be so bad. Do we know the quality for images we can get off this planet at the distance? Sorry to be so general. I'm just trying to get some basic sense of what they are uncovering here.




NASA announced they found an exoplanet. All this alien crap is in OP's head.



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LogicaL Chaos said:
One indirect way is doing an infrared photo of the surface temps. Temperate/tropical temps indirectly show plant life.

Also, theres a telescope that detects wavelenghts of light bounced off the surface and can determine the planets surface composition. Kinda like a Mass Spectrometer In Space.




Like I said, how far can the planet be away and that resolution will show up accurate enough on an object so deep in space?

I know infrared and spectrometry don't need "res" in the sense that we know what res is to be so high resolution. But at that distance the resolution for even images that just require basic composition can be so bad. Do we know the quality for images we can get off this planet at the distance? Sorry to be so general. I'm just trying to get some basic sense of what they are uncovering here.




NASA announced they found an exoplanet. All this alien crap is in OP's head.



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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #22039635 - 08/03/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i keep checking this thread every morning and there's never Aliens found, thread title should be changed


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
    #22040695 - 08/04/15 05:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ancient Aliens is entertainment, not a history lesson.




I agree, I can't stand that ancient aliens nonsense, I mean, sure, they have some good points and some evidence is fairly credible, but the other 80% of that show is fantasy.

At the same time I've experienced a UFO sighting....

But to make any judgements or try to claim I have any answers is absurd...

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: twighead]
    #22040775 - 08/04/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What makes you think organisms on other planets are insignificant compared to ones here?




Non- biological or semi-biological entities seem to me what we want to be as humans: outside of time and space, thus almost immortal. Plus no diseases, more freedom to manouver in space etc. What all sciences are trying to do is making us live longer with a better understanding of our ailments so we can "fix" it. Though biological organisms longevity can be stretched to a point we all rot and die.

Because we are biological in a sense we think biological life is all there is and that if its on another planet then it must be amazing. I think the spiritual whateveryoucallit aspect of existence is more amazing. We are not meant to exist forever in these bodies no matter what transhumanism says.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #22040794 - 08/04/15 05:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What makes you think organisms on other planets are insignificant compared to ones here?




Non- biological or semi-biological entities seem to me what we want to be as humans: outside of time and space, thus almost immortal. Plus no diseases, more freedom to manouver in space etc. What all sciences are trying to do is making us live longer with a better understanding of our ailments so we can "fix" it. Though biological organisms longevity can be stretched to a point we all rot and die.

Because we are biological in a sense we think biological life is all there is and that if its on another planet then it must be amazing. I think the spiritual whateveryoucallit aspect of existence is more amazing. We are not meant to exist forever in these bodies no matter what transhumanism says.




This is a quote from a previous post, to me it explains the connection between all living beings in all dimensions...Though it's just speculation, I'm sure there are many other connections...

Again I know it's not probable, but apparently the dead, Gods, hyperdimentionals and beings from other planets are all using these same informational pathways...and even though it seems improbable all conscious beings appear to be connected in hyperspace...as if consciousness is a whole which splits off pieces of itself to form physical beings, the beings then die, and rejoin the whole of universal consciousness then split off into another physical existence, every time this happens and you incarnate you could be a human or a dog or a bug on earth or you could be an extraterrestrial in another galaxy or an extraterrestrial "animal" on another planet or a physical being in another dimension disconnected from our universe, but we are all part of the same whole and regardless how much space or how many dimensions are put between these split off subjective physical consciousnesses, they are all connected, because they were all one and they ARE all one...It's seems very rare that you would incarnate the same planet or dimension more than once, specially with an infinite number of places to incarnate to...this is what DMT shows me, and strangely enough it's very similar to what the eastern religions have been saying all along...

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22040985 - 08/04/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What makes you think organisms on other planets are insignificant compared to ones here?




Non- biological or semi-biological entities seem to me what we want to be as humans: outside of time and space, thus almost immortal. Plus no diseases, more freedom to manouver in space etc. What all sciences are trying to do is making us live longer with a better understanding of our ailments so we can "fix" it. Though biological organisms longevity can be stretched to a point we all rot and die.

Because we are biological in a sense we think biological life is all there is and that if its on another planet then it must be amazing. I think the spiritual whateveryoucallit aspect of existence is more amazing. We are not meant to exist forever in these bodies no matter what transhumanism says.




This is a quote from a previous post, to me it explains the connection between all living beings in all dimensions...Though it's just speculation, I'm sure there are many other connections...

Again I know it's not probable, but apparently the dead, Gods, hyperdimentionals and beings from other planets are all using these same informational pathways...and even though it seems improbable all conscious beings appear to be connected in hyperspace...as if consciousness is a whole which splits off pieces of itself to form physical beings, the beings then die, and rejoin the whole of universal consciousness then split off into another physical existence, every time this happens and you incarnate you could be a human or a dog or a bug on earth or you could be an extraterrestrial in another galaxy or an extraterrestrial "animal" on another planet or a physical being in another dimension disconnected from our universe, but we are all part of the same whole and regardless how much space or how many dimensions are put between these split off subjective physical consciousnesses, they are all connected, because they were all one and they ARE all one...It's seems very rare that you would incarnate the same planet or dimension more than once, specially with an infinite number of places to incarnate to...this is what DMT shows me, and strangely enough it's very similar to what the eastern religions have been saying all along...

-E. Borodin




The Taoist Masters said that the real curse of being "human" is the continual loss of memory with each death/rebirth cycle and that real immortality has nothing to do with a body that doesn't die, it has to do with learning to RETAIN memory after death and through all the future transitions of physical and non-physical existence so that we don't forget and have to relearn again and again and again.  Taoism, to a large extent, is the art of overcoming memory loss and never again suffering the affliction of losing self identify and having to re-learn. 

So many in science are obsessed with the idea that awareness and consciousness is a brain centered creation, when, in fact, humans have known for centuries and centuries that this is not the case.  Because many in science are not all that connected spiritually, for many reasons, they don't have much awareness or personal experience with how "mobile" our awareness truly is and they discount the testimony of so many that have learned the real mystery of what we truly are and attribute it to some measurement on a brain scan.  As more and more worship the new science based priest class who are so incredible at the discovery and refinement of so many things, they are expecting answers to existential questions that science is simply not set up to answer.


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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22046678 - 08/05/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Its an interesting thought, to "communicate" with possible life on the planet using shrooms or DMT.

The problem is you cannot focus shrooms or DMT to that particular planet. Even if u meditated all day about this new planet, the trip will take u elsewhere.

Psychedelics just dont have the fine-precision that radio and optical telescopes have.




Not only is it an interesting thought, it's a thought that has existed for thousands of years, this is what the shamans have always used these plant entheogens for, they heal, they predict, they shamanize by communicating with hyperdimentionals beings while in a psychedelic trance, whether it's the ayahuasca shamans of the amazon or the mushroom shamans of Oaxaca, contact in hyperspace is a central theme.

Like I said before in a previous post (which would have been much better had I included the above section in the first place)

"In the hands of the unskilled it's completely  random, nobody can guess if you will go between the stars or into the after death...

Which is where shamanic ritual comes in, the shaman has "phone numbers" to specific beings and locations, though instead of dialing on a phone the "number" is a song (called an icaro), or a specific act or action, so when we see the shaman jumping around and singing and waving his rattle about, we perceive it as primitive ritual, when in reality he is enacting this "fine tuning" your speaking of, and each ritual and song summons a specific being or place.

Though it seems like chaos, what goes on in hyper-space is intricately ordered, and can be controlled to a degree."

For whatever ever reason the first time I neglected to mention the age of the notion of contact with the dead, Gods, and what we would call extraterrestrials, through use of these plants, and the relation this contact plays in shamanic practice...but felt it was important enough to revisit this post and add it on.

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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22046740 - 08/05/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What makes you think organisms on other planets are insignificant compared to ones here?




Non- biological or semi-biological entities seem to me what we want to be as humans: outside of time and space, thus almost immortal. Plus no diseases, more freedom to manouver in space etc. What all sciences are trying to do is making us live longer with a better understanding of our ailments so we can "fix" it. Though biological organisms longevity can be stretched to a point we all rot and die.

Because we are biological in a sense we think biological life is all there is and that if its on another planet then it must be amazing. I think the spiritual whateveryoucallit aspect of existence is more amazing. We are not meant to exist forever in these bodies no matter what transhumanism says.




This is a quote from a previous post, to me it explains the connection between all living beings in all dimensions...Though it's just speculation, I'm sure there are many other connections...

Again I know it's not probable, but apparently the dead, Gods, hyperdimentionals and beings from other planets are all using these same informational pathways...and even though it seems improbable all conscious beings appear to be connected in hyperspace...as if consciousness is a whole which splits off pieces of itself to form physical beings, the beings then die, and rejoin the whole of universal consciousness then split off into another physical existence, every time this happens and you incarnate you could be a human or a dog or a bug on earth or you could be an extraterrestrial in another galaxy or an extraterrestrial "animal" on another planet or a physical being in another dimension disconnected from our universe, but we are all part of the same whole and regardless how much space or how many dimensions are put between these split off subjective physical consciousnesses, they are all connected, because they were all one and they ARE all one...It's seems very rare that you would incarnate the same planet or dimension more than once, specially with an infinite number of places to incarnate to...this is what DMT shows me, and strangely enough it's very similar to what the eastern religions have been saying all along...

-E. Borodin




The Taoist Masters said that the real curse of being "human" is the continual loss of memory with each death/rebirth cycle and that real immortality has nothing to do with a body that doesn't die, it has to do with learning to RETAIN memory after death and through all the future transitions of physical and non-physical existence so that we don't forget and have to relearn again and again and again.  Taoism, to a large extent, is the art of overcoming memory loss and never again suffering the affliction of losing self identify and having to re-learn. 

So many in science are obsessed with the idea that awareness and consciousness is a brain centered creation, when, in fact, humans have known for centuries and centuries that this is not the case.  Because many in science are not all that connected spiritually, for many reasons, they don't have much awareness or personal experience with how "mobile" our awareness truly is and they discount the testimony of so many that have learned the real mystery of what we truly are and attribute it to some measurement on a brain scan.  As more and more worship the new science based priest class who are so incredible at the discovery and refinement of so many things, they are expecting answers to existential questions that science is simply not set up to answer.





I've considered this as well, but think of this, what if your last incarnation was in another dimension? Or as an alien being in a far off galaxy? How could these experiences even translate into human memory?

I suppose when you meet very wise people it could be a result of retaining wisdom from past incarnations, because the experiences and memories and languages are not able to be saved, somehow the lessons learned and the inherent wisdom that comes from experience is able to be preserved through out future incarnations...

I love Taoism, I read the Tao te ching, and got nothing from it, until a few Yeats later I took LSD and understood Tao 100%, the first lines are "the Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao"  or some variation of that sentence, and this makes sense, you must experience the Tao to know it, and no person or book can "tell" it to you...similar to the psychedelic experience, in that it must be had because it can not be told.

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