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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: makaveli8x8]
#21999647 - 07/26/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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also one last thing, u know how we have a fireball in the sky producing fire n shit? is it possible that pluto is an ice ball producting ice, and that is where all the water in our solar system came from? like its an chemical ice star or something. i mean i know they have theorys that its not water but what if it is, or maybe its the start of water and a few other things have to happen to turn it the rest of the way
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: makaveli8x8]
#21999653 - 07/26/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ancient cultures were stupid, at least compared to modern standard. It's just absurd to think they had some kind of special understanding. They had mythology and superstition.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
#21999688 - 07/26/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Mushrooms contain substances that alter brain functions, causing some people to believe that "minds are the gateway to communication with all other species in the universe and to travel as well." It's just the drugs fucking with you.
What a boring outlook! You must've experienced nothing divine in yo life!
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods] 1
#21999707 - 07/26/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Ancient cultures were stupid, at least compared to modern standard. It's just absurd to think they had some kind of special understanding. They had mythology and superstition.
You might want to read some greek philosophy and get back to us on how "stupid" they were. Consider how ancient cultures like the Mayans discovered things like the precession of the equinox ... HOW THE FUCK do you do that without a telescope?
Consider the construction ability, planning and just overall vision it would take to build the Pyramids or the structures in Peru? Seriously, these people were not stupid at all. The Chinese had mapped out the curing properties of thousands of plants reportedly over 5,000 years ago.
Modern man has his superstitions and mythologies as well, some of which appear more idiotic than the creation myths of ancient man. Over 2/3 of our planet honestly believes that an apocalyptic messiah will save them and escort them to a paradise world reserved exclusively for true believers.
If there is any truth at all to the stories of Atlantis or Lemuria it's possible there were civilizations in man's past that might have been technologically more advanced than we are today. Given that we're finding more and more submerged structures built on a gigantic scale, it's becoming more and more likely that an ancient, very sophisticated sea oriented culture did indeed exist on our planet.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
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what makes you say sea oriented?
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: makaveli8x8]
#21999833 - 07/26/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: what makes you say sea oriented?
Obviously, the legends of Atlantis and Lemuria tell of an incredibly sophisticated technologically advanced civilization that was sea oriented. Add to that the underwater structures they've found in places like the Bahamas, Japan and all around the Mediterranean. There are many primitive cultures that speak of an extremely advanced civilization that ruled the planet for many centuries. And, of course, you have the amazing documentation of Edward Cayce's readings that suggest Atlantis was very real.
My guess is the destruction of Atlantis took time and some of the people established outposts in other places like Sumeria/Egypt, Cancun/Mexico and others. Atlantis then fell into ancient history as their technology and infrastructure was destroyed and mankind kinda started over but kept those legends.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22000426 - 07/26/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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their cultures were more primitave looking look at the easter islands statues how long ago would these cultures have had to exist? 13,000? More?
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Konyap]
#22000431 - 07/26/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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After I die I'm going to torment the people of this earth along with the land walking hairless apes
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Konyap]
#22000828 - 07/26/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think the reason human hands prune up in the water is cause it gives us better grip
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Konyap]
#22000940 - 07/26/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Konyap said: I think the reason human hands prune up in the water is cause it gives us better grip
I think it's because your skin gets saturated with water and expands. But, since it is attached to tissue below, it has to buckle giving it the prune texture.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22001164 - 07/26/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is evidence to support Konyap here.
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People often assume that wrinkling is the result of water passing into the outer layer of the skin and making it swell up. But researchers have known since the 1930s that the effect does not occur when there is nerve damage in the fingers. This points to the change being an involuntary reaction by the body's autonomic nervous system — the system that also controls breathing, heart rate and perspiration. In fact, the distinctive wrinkling is caused by blood vessels constricting below the skin.
http://www.nature.com/news/science-gets-a-grip-on-wrinkly-fingers-1.12175
It's supposedly an autonomous response and not just the skin swelling because of unevenness.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
#22001181 - 07/26/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Ancient cultures were stupid, at least compared to modern standard. It's just absurd to think they had some kind of special understanding. They had mythology and superstition.
I don't think culturally we have come as far as we have technologically. I think there are plenty of lessons to be had from the way our ancestors lived, and we don't really know what they were like all we can do is speculate. I'm sure it was pretty fucked up, I mean humans who didn't have wrinkly fingers didn't survive It's still pretty fucked up today in most places.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
#22003067 - 07/27/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mushroom spores are some of the only potential life forms that survive deep space travel, be it on asteroids, chunks of uneaten pie, you name it.
There is hardcore evidence leaning towards the fact that there was not the shroomy life forms on this planet we have now, until a certain time after the Earth cooled, long after plant life.
This would mean that there is a huge possibility that psychedelic mushrooms are universal, and if they truly are what evolved mammals, then all mammalian life forms in the span of our creation have been evolved by what these spacey spores grow into.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
#22003216 - 07/27/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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think you've got it totally nailed. Our brain and the typical things we eat and consume, and especially the "legal drugs" of alcohol, sugar, tobacco and caffeine SHRINK the amount of information our brain is processing and serve as additional filters whereas some psychoactives expand the information coming in so we have access to more information in our waking reality and access to non ordinary reality as well. Our society is pretty cool with legalizing the substances that make us more obedient, more cooperative, more productive from a industrial capacity standpoint and more stupid in some ways. Where the problems come in is with substances that expand our awareness to see through the veneer of what is a vast enterprise to get 99% of the planet doing things that creates more and more wealth for a tiny, tiny fraction of humans while gradually degrading the health of the planet, exploiting resources until they're gone, paying lip service to real issues of poverty and creating a need/desire for products that are literally turning us into a virtual species.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
#22003341 - 07/27/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: The compounds Shulgin studied are structurally similar to norepinephrine and serotonin. There is really nothing special about those two substances, except they have evolved to be neurotransmitters. Upon a different world, with different environments, what are the chances that we are going to end up with the same neurotransmitters. I don't think it's very likely (unless the aliens share a common ancestor)
Did you even read my last few posts on the issue of why a common ancestor is not necessarily an issue? Or the reason why these compounds are significant and likely will be common to life? ...Because I'm NOT repeating all of that.
As for your statements regarding shulgin:
It was actually serotonin and dopamine, though serotonin, meletonin, pinoline, Etc..are all tryptamines, and dopamine, epinephrine, norepinephrine, etc...are all phenethylamines.
You are assuming that things in the universe are somehow different than things here, it's all the same laws of chemistry and physics, it's the same table of elements, so what makes you think that chemistry would be any different else where in the universe?
There is something special about amino acids in that they are essential for all life, not only for neurotransmitter formation, but for the formation of the cell as well as DNA. These amino-acids are the building blocks for life and are common in asteroids and meteroites. All the tryptamine and phenethylamine psychedelics as well as your tryptamine and phenethylamine neurotransmitters were derived from the amino acids L-tryptophan in the case of tryptamines, or tyrosine or phenylalanine, etc... in the case of phenethylamines.
Not only are these compounds variations of neurotransmitters, they are variations of your KEY neurotransmitters, these compounds ARE exogenous neurotransmitters.
I've explained all of this several times...
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is produced in every human body as well as several animals and plants. It's also one of the most powerful psychedelics known, this in itself makes it special....
AGAIN I feel life is common...so mathematics dictates that at least a percent would be similar or identical to life on earth, so even if some life was not, it wouldn't matter.
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koods said: The compounds Shulgin studied are structurally similar to norepinephrine and serotonin. There is really nothing special about those two substances, except they have evolved to be neurotransmitters. Upon a different world, with different environments, what are the chances that we are going to end up with the same neurotransmitters. I don't think it's very likely (unless the aliens share a common ancestor)
Did you even read my last few posts on the issue of why a common ancestor is not necessarily an issue? Or the reason why these compounds are significant and likely will be common to life? ...Because I'm NOT repeating all of that.
As for your statements regarding shulgin:
It was actually serotonin and dopamine, though serotonin, meletonin, pinoline, Etc..are all tryptamines, and dopamine, epinephrine, norepinephrine, etc...are all phenethylamines.
You are assuming that things in the universe are somehow different than things here, it's all the same laws of chemistry and physics, it's the same table of elements, so what makes you think that chemistry would be any different else where in the universe?
There is something special about amino acids in that they are essential for all life, not only for neurotransmitter formation, but for the formation of the cell as well as DNA. These amino-acids are the building blocks for life and are common in asteroids and meteroites. All the tryptamine and phenethylamine psychedelics as well as your tryptamine and phenethylamine neurotransmitters were derived from the amino acids L-tryptophan in the case of tryptamines, or tyrosine or phenylalanine, etc... in the case of phenethylamines.
Not only are these compounds variations of neurotransmitters, they are variations of your KEY neurotransmitters, these compounds ARE exogenous neurotransmitters.
I've explained all of this several times...
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is produced in every human body as well as several animals and plants. It's also one of the most powerful psychedelics known, this in itself makes it special....
AGAIN I feel life is common...so mathematics dictates that at least a percent would be similar or identical to life on earth, so even if some life was not, it wouldn't matter.
-E. Borodin
The KEY question will still remain ... does consciousness create the physical form or does the physical form create consciousness? Can consciousness exist, grow and thrive without the need for a physical form or body as we know it? No need for cells or the organization of chemicals in any form at all? If this is, indeed what real evolution is as we, as beings, progress, then I'd think the universe would be serving up all kinds of stuff whether it's philosophy, messiahs, psychoactive plants and chemicals, music, etc. to help us get out of the illusion of thinking that we are a physical form creating a consciousness that is fragile and finite. Fear is far more likely in a being that believes consciousness is totally extinguished at death and, I believe, more easily controlled and more obedient to an extent. Beings that truly feel their consciousness is infinite, cannot be extinguished at death and also have no fear of a judgmental God that will sentence them to eternal damnation are much freer and more dangerous to a top down management system like we have here on planet earth.
People with extreme dream recall ability report that virtually every night, their awareness travels through dimension of awareness as extreme as any psychoactive can create. Read Robert Monroe's books for a sense of what is going on psychoactively while we sleep.
WHY is our consciousness doing this every single night and, more importantly, who are so many of us unaware of it? I think it is very possible that ancient man was far more aware of these consciousness transformations in sleep and, as a result, was learning in ways we in our modern era have completely forgotten or, worse, don't even acknowledge as valid anymore.
Psychoactive plants/fungi are possibly just helping us remember things we already know, but forget virtually every single morning when we wake up.
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Why would unrelated life forms utilize serotonin, NE, Dopamine the way we do, as neurotransmitters. There is nothing special about them in that role. There's practically an unlimited number of organic compounds that could serve as neurotransmitters, why you think unrelated life in the universe would have evolved to use the same ones as us is beyond me.
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[The KEY question will still remain ... does consciousness create the physical form or does the physical form create consciousness?
That's not an open question. We know the answer. human consciousness is a function of the the physical brain. Show me one example of consciousness existing without a brain. The correlation is 100%. Full consciousness requires a healthy brain. Degradation of brain structures degrades consciousness and destruction of brain structures destroys consciousness,
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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That's not an open question. We know the answer. human consciousness is a function of the the physical brain. Show me one example of consciousness existing without a brain. The correlation is 100%. Full consciousness requires a healthy brain. Degradation of brain structures degrades consciousness and destruction of brain structures destroys consciousness,
Objectively, I would say this is perhaps the most "open" question on the planet. At least 80% of all humans on this planet do not agree with what you're saying and probably 90%+ of all humans that have existed in our history disagree with your assertion. We have literally millions of direct personal accounts of humans that have interacted with non-physical beings/entities that seem to intersect with our waking/ordinary reality. We have after death experiences where the brain is completely inactive and extraordinary things are reported. We have the teachings and insights from some of the planets greatest minds that directly contradict what you're saying. We have the Tibetan Buddhists that have studied death more scientifically and rigorously over centuries than any other culture that has proven that consciousness does survive the death process. We have virtually EVERY ancient culture that testifies that consciousness is temporarily bound to the physical form but has much more access.
The brain is an interface, perhaps, like a computer operating system, that plugs us into this earth based reality. it is not, however, the the electrical power itself.
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#22003456 - 07/27/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomopotamus said: E.T. Dinos, advanced human like species, crazy new alien technology fueled by a new to us kind of E.T. fuel not known on our planet which enables traveling at the speed of light, portals, cool new plants and mushrooms, all that jazz
http://www.space.com/30021-nasa-unveiling-kepler-exoplanet-discovery-thursday.html
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NASA will unveil a potentially exciting discovery on Thursday (July 23) regarding the search for alien planets.
In a teleconference at 12 p.m. EDT (1600 GMT) tomorrow, the space agency will announce new findings made by the planet-hunting Kepler Space Telescope. You can tune in to the announcement live via an online audio feed provided by NASA. A statement from NASA announcing the teleconference did not provide any additional details as to what new information will be unveiled.
"Exoplanets, especially small Earth-size worlds, belonged within the realm of science fiction just 21 years ago," according to the statement NASA statement. "Today, and thousands of discoveries later, astronomers are on the cusp of finding something people have dreamed about for thousands of years -- another Earth."
Participants in the teleconference will be John Grunsfeld, an associate administrator for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington; Jon Jenkins, Kepler data analysis lead at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, California; Jeff Coughlin, a Kepler research scientist at the SETI Institute in Mountain View, California; and Didier Queloz, a professor of astrophysics at the University of Cambridge, United Kingdom.

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