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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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I was wondering these same things. All the novel chemicals that we have created could be natural somewhere. Imagine if there was an LSD, or 4ho-x or 2C-X containing plant on one of these exoplanets. Shit, imagine mescaline salt deposites. 
This could be one of the factors that motivates advanced beings to explore and check out other planets. To find new species that offer new possibilities for food, medicine, etc.
It could also be a factor that would motivate them to "seed" a planet, over see it, occasionally intervene to juice up the genetics in some way and then back off an watch.
Given that we have thousands of years of very lucid eyewitness accounts of interactions with these advanced beings and a lot of physical evidence to support that, I'd suspect "they" were here long before "we" were.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca] 1
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One of my friends when he was really high on cactus had a vision of extraterrestrials bringing cactus to earth for our education and enjoyment.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: nicechrisman]
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Exactly!
Imagine the molecule structures our chemist never dreamed of! (With phenethylamines anything bigger than an ethyl chain on the amine nitrogen kills activity...so nobody would have thought that a benzylmethoxy group off the amine nitrogen could produce active compounds, but it increased their potency! (2C-B (phenethylamine) 25B-NBOMe (n-benzoyl-methoxy-phenethylamine)...I mean a chemist did figure this out, but that's an example of novel substitutions alien plants could be making that our chemists never would have thought of...)
If The conditions (light, temperature, pressure, atmosphere, etc...) and elements were ideal, these synthetics could be natural parts of the planet!
Or alien plants, our plants take tryptophan and convert it into psychedelic tryptamines (just like we eat tryptophan and our bodies decarboxylate it to tryptamine, 5-hydroxylate it to 5-ho-tryptamine AKA serotonin, then acetylate it it to 5-hydroxy-n-acetyl-tryptamine which is then converted to N-acetyl-5-MEO-tryptamine AKA Meletonin which is then converted to 6-MEO-tetrahydrobetacarboline AKA pinoline)
Phenethylamines are generated in vivo from phenethylamine amino acids (tyrosine ,phenylalanine,etc..) the CACTI produce mescaline as a means of stress response much like humans produce cortisol in relation to stress.
...imagine what alien plants could do with these amino acids! I'm sure alien plants could produce every one of shulgins compounds, which honestly mimic endogenous neurotransmitters, and should be expected in plant metabolism.
It's mind blowing! Universal chemistry and biology and pharmacology would be a blast to explore!
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The chances that alien biochemistry would be compatible with what evolved on earth would be minuscule. Their drugs would be useless, and visa versa.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: nicechrisman]
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nicechrisman said: One of my friends when he was really high on cactus had a vision of extraterrestrials bringing cactus to earth for our education and enjoyment.
I think the mushrooms could be from space...they don't fossilize so we really don't know how long they have been here...Plus all the examples related to the spore I listed in a previous post.
I think psychedelic molecules may be universal and active in every advanced intelligent beings minds...they may even be our connection to these life-forms, our mental gateway to the universe as well as other dimensions and to the existence points after death...DMT and psilocybin specifically are the molecules I'm referring to...
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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koods said: The chances that alien biochemistry would be compatible with what evolved on earth would be minuscule. Their drugs would be useless, and visa versa.
You think so?
All true psychedelics are tryptamines or phenethylamines, all higher neurotransmitters are tryptamines or phenethylamines, and the known psychedelics are very active in most species,not just humans....so why would the neurotransmitters that cause our brain to function not be universal in all advanced brains? They are still working with the same table of elements we are, and chemically most the stuff in space is no different from the stuff on earth, so if life evolved, it may have been in similar conditions from the same elements as on earth, and their brains would likely involve these higher neurotransmitters...
But who knows...
Regardless I think tryptamines and phenethylamine molecules are universal (meaning abundant in the universe) and likely function as neurotransmitters and psychedelics for more than just earth life...
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Because we are related to other species. We share common ancestors and a lot of our biochemistry has existed since the earliest forms of life evolved.
Without a common ancestor, another life form would not have the same biochestry.
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nicechrisman said: One of my friends when he was really high on cactus had a vision of extraterrestrials bringing cactus to earth for our education and enjoyment.
I think the mushrooms could be from space...they don't fossilize so we really don't know how long they have been here...Plus all the examples related to the spore I listed in a previous post.
I think psychedelic molecules may be universal and active in every advanced intelligent beings minds...they may even be our connection to these life-forms, our mental gateway to the universe as well as other dimensions and to the existence points after death...DMT and psilocybin specifically are the molecules I'm referring to...
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I think this is probably true. Or minds are the gateway to communication with all other species in the universe and to travel as well. We are multi dimensional beings that have been "trapped" in a single, very predatory dimension for a variety of reasons.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca] 2
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Mushrooms contain substances that alter brain functions, causing some people to believe that "minds are the gateway to communication with all other species in the universe and to travel as well." It's just the drugs fucking with you.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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koods said: Mushrooms contain substances that alter brain functions, causing some people to believe that "minds are the gateway to communication with all other species in the universe and to travel as well." It's just the drugs fucking with you.
The mind is capable of functions like lucid dreaming, out of body travel and states achieved in meditation that rival anything drugs can generate. Every food and drink we take in is a combination of chemicals that create mental and physical reactions. Drugs are no different. The mind is more like radio receiver and drugs help to switch the channel being received much the way dreams and non-ordinary states of reality do.
Can explain how exactly drugs enable the mind to construct incredibly complex worlds with amazingly clear detail, meaning and clarity and WHY these worlds or hallucinations would exist in the mind in the first place ... where do they come from? Why are they so perfectly constructed? What is the point?
We are part of an infinitely constructed multi dimensional universe. Our minds are capable of tuning in more of it. Certain drugs can temporarily increase our ability to disconnect from this station and tune in others.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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koods said: Because we are related to other species. We share common ancestors and a lot of our biochemistry has existed since the earliest forms of life evolved.
Without a common ancestor, another life form would not have the same biochestry.
Not necessarily, it's entirely possible that life forms with out our common ancestor could evolve equal or similar neurochemistry.
I feel that life is fairly common in the universe, and mathematics dictate that at least a percentage of a advanced life-forms would share compatible biochemistry.
I feel these compounds May actually be our link to advanced life in this universe, as well as in other dimensions, and with the denizens of the after death. Though my only basis for this idea comes from my experience with the compounds themselves (specifically DMT and psilocybin, though there are exceptions)
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They may develop something similar to DNA, but the chances that say serotinin would be a neurotransmitter is very very slim. The reasons psychoactive chemicals do what they do is becasue of their very particular structure. If you change the chemistry even a little bit, none of those substances would have much effect at all.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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koods said: Mushrooms contain substances that alter brain functions, causing some people to believe that "minds are the gateway to communication with all other species in the universe and to travel as well." It's just the drugs fucking with you.
Nonsense.
The brain takes in something like 12 billion signals per second, all of which enter the brain via the thalamus (except smell), these signals are then heavily filtered down to.what's essential for function in the present moment and what's left is sent to the cortex regions. We actually only perceive a very small percent of the existence around us. These cortex regions is where higher processing occurs, and where you decide what these signals mean. When you take psilocin or DMT it's turning off the filter mechanisms in your thalamus, so your cortex regions are flooded with the whole picture, instead of the small slice of reality we normally perceive, you get it all. The thalamus and the cortex are connected by 5ht2a and 5ht2c receptors, all the classic tryptamine and phenethylamine psychedelics agonize these receptors, and though other pharmacological processes are occurring, the basis of this revolves around this interaction described above.You are actually perceiving MORE of reality on these compounds.
Dr. Rick strassman was also convinced these experiences were genuine.
...as was Rolland Griffiths of John's Hopkins.
Every religion is likely the exegesis of an experience with one of these compounds.
It's not just neurons randomly firing, and you misprecieving this as a mystical experience. Some very educated individuals share this view. Though it was the experience itself which convinced me.
Now for survivals sake we can't be in these highly receptive states all the time, specially as we were evolving, being able to hunt your food, protect yourself from sabor-tooth tigers and other predictors, start a fire, etc...were crucial for survival, so out of necessity our consciousness had to be filtered. (When the Spanish forced the natives to give their entheogens Christian names, the cimora users choose saint peter (San Pedro), for T. Pachanoi, the reasoning was saint Peter holds the keys to the gates of heaven, as does this cactus, and this was before advanced pharmacology let us know about the thalamus acting as a filter and the cortex processing it, before anybody knew these things are actually pharmacological keys, when Huxley spoke of his "consciousness valve" he was actually right.)
When a shaman takes ayahuasca, and sings into his patients stomach, then says to the man "you have stomach parasites" and gives him the plant to heal them, and when asked how he did it he says "the sound waves bouncing through his body allowed me to see inside his stomach", was this the "drugs fucking with him?"...When the shaman can tell you where to hunt, the weather forecast, or be able to tell you who stole the chickens, etc...is this just the "drugs fucking with him"...
...These entheogens provide essential skills to people who don't have x-rays, or GPS hunting tools or 5 day forecasts or cameras on their chickens, etc...they also allow the shaman to contact beings in other galaxy's, beings in other dimensions, and beings in the after death, he actually visits these places while his body waits on earth...some of these dimensions are existing right on top of us simultaneously, others are mind boggling distances away...
I know this sound like airy-fairy nonsense, but keep in mind this is also the world's oldest spiritual practice, and I'm only following in the footsteps of our human ancestors, my interpretation of these experiences is not dissimilar from the reports of shamans since the beginning of history, and I am the modern extention of this line, basement shamans are a new phenomena, but we are guided by thousands of years of experience.
I'm all over the place here, and still did not say all I wanted to, but I'm going to stop here.
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Yes, the brain breaks down a visual image in lots of ways. It finds lines, it finds areas of contrast, of motion, etc.,. We are not normally conscious of this lower level processing, but on psychedelics this bleeds through. So what? It's kinda like when you take a picture with your phone, if the final image had those little boxes around all the faces. Interesting insight into how an image is processed, not necessarily into the nature of reality.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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koods said: They may develop something similar to DNA, but the chances that say serotinin would be a neurotransmitter is very very slim. The reasons psychoactive chemicals do what they do is becasue of their very particular structure. If you change the chemistry even a little bit, none of those substances would have much effect at all.
That's not correct, and if I hadn't just typed a ton in the last post I would be willing to explain it.
I explained some of the pharmacology of psychedelics in my last post.
When you say "if you change them a little they are not active" this is not true, PIHKAL and TIHKAL were based on shulgin making very small changes to these compounds, and most remained active...Plus why would they be changed?
As for DNA, crick came up with his panspermia after co-discovering DNA, crick felt there was no way a compound this complex could have evolved on earth.
I think it's more likely than not that the aliens have DNA. With Every life form on earth the DNA double helix spirals the same direction, maybe alien DNA would spiral the other direction, or some minuscule change like that, but If these intelligent beings have bodies made of cells, they likely needed similar conditions to us to evolve, and likely would have evolved in a similar way, using similar amino acids to produce their higher neurotransmitters.
Again I feel life is common, and again mathematics dictate at least percentage of life would have identicle or similar biochemistry. So sure, there could be some life that doesn't, but I feel when we do find life in the universe we will be surprised how similar it is to life on earth.
The table of elements is the same no matter where you are in the universe*, so it's not like they will be all that different, they will be made of all the same elements we are and likely needed similar conditions to evolve, I'm sure a good percentage of life is more similar to earth life than different from it. (*though we don't have all the elements on earth, and have even had to synthesize a few, due to atomic weights we can predict elements that have yet to be discovered, or synthesize elements we knew should have been next on the chart)
Regardless, the main interest was in these molecules being produced else where in the universe, and the chemical possibilities of the universe, alien consumption was one line in one post...
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Asteroids and meteorites and full of all the amino acids for life as well as these neurotransmitters to form...
So its probably the most common way life forms and functions in this universe, specially if we are all starting from the same raw materials....which are flying around the universe in meteorites and probably crashing into and innovating plants with life all the time...
Though all my lasts post are mostly speculation, there is accurate information mixed in as well, my chemistry information should be accurate...
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Nonsense.
The brain takes in something like 12 billion signals per second, all of which enter the brain via the thalamus (except smell), these signals are then heavily filtered down to.what's essential for function in the present moment and what's left is sent to the cortex regions. We actually only perceive a very small percent of the existence around us. These cortex regions is where higher processing occurs, and where you decide what these signals mean. When you take psilocin or DMT it's turning off the filter mechanisms in your thalamus, so your cortex regions are flooded with the whole picture, instead of the small slice of reality we normally perceive, you get it all. The thalamus and the cortex are connected by 5ht2a and 5ht2c receptors, all the classic tryptamine and phenethylamine psychedelics agonize these receptors, and though other pharmacological processes are occurring, the basis of this revolves around this interaction described above.You are actually perceiving MORE of reality on these compounds.
Dr. Rick strassman was also convinced these experiences were genuine.
...as was Rolland Griffiths of John's Hopkins.
Every religion is likely the exegesis of an experience with one of these compounds.
It's not just neurons randomly firing, and you misprecieving this as a mystical experience. Some very educated individuals share this view. Though it was the experience itself which convinced me.
Now for survivals sake we can't be in these highly receptive states all the time, specially as we were evolving, being able to hunt your food, protect yourself from sabor-tooth tigers and other predictors, start a fire, etc...were crucial for survival, so out of necessity our consciousness had to be filtered. (When the Spanish forced the natives to give their entheogens Christian names, the cimora users choose saint peter (San Pedro), for T. Pachanoi, the reasoning was saint Peter holds the keys to the gates of heaven, as does this cactus, and this was before advanced pharmacology let us know about the thalamus acting as a filter and the cortex processing it, before anybody knew these things are actually pharmacological keys, when Huxley spoke of his "consciousness valve" he was actually right.)
When a shaman takes ayahuasca, and sings into his patients stomach, then says to the man "you have stomach parasites" and gives him the plant to heal them, and when asked how he did it he says "the sound waves bouncing through his body allowed me to see inside his stomach", was this the "drugs fucking with him?"...When the shaman can tell you where to hunt, the weather forecast, or be able to tell you who stole the chickens, etc...is this just the "drugs fucking with him"...
...These entheogens provide essential skills to people who don't have x-rays, or GPS hunting tools or 5 day forecasts or cameras on their chickens, etc...they also allow the shaman to contact beings in other galaxy's, beings in other dimensions, and beings in the after death, he actually visits these places while his body waits on earth...some of these dimensions are existing right on top of us simultaneously, others are mind boggling distances away...
I know this sound like airy-fairy nonsense, but keep in mind this is also the world's oldest spiritual practice, and I'm only following in the footsteps of our human ancestors, my interpretation of these experiences is not dissimilar from the reports of shamans since the beginning of history, and I am the modern extention of this line, basement shamans are a new phenomena, but we are guided by thousands of years of experience.
I'm all over the place here, and still did not say all I wanted to, but I'm going to stop here.
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I think you've got it totally nailed. Our brain and the typical things we eat and consume, and especially the "legal drugs" of alcohol, sugar, tobacco and caffeine SHRINK the amount of information our brain is processing and serve as additional filters whereas some psychoactives expand the information coming in so we have access to more information in our waking reality and access to non ordinary reality as well. Our society is pretty cool with legalizing the substances that make us more obedient, more cooperative, more productive from a industrial capacity standpoint and more stupid in some ways. Where the problems come in is with substances that expand our awareness to see through the veneer of what is a vast enterprise to get 99% of the planet doing things that creates more and more wealth for a tiny, tiny fraction of humans while gradually degrading the health of the planet, exploiting resources until they're gone, paying lip service to real issues of poverty and creating a need/desire for products that are literally turning us into a virtual species.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
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The compounds Shulgin studied are structurally similar to norepinephrine and serotonin. There is really nothing special about those two substances, except they have evolved to be neurotransmitters. Upon a different world, with different environments, what are the chances that we are going to end up with the same neurotransmitters. I don't think it's very likely (unless the aliens share a common ancestor)
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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koods said: The compounds Shulgin studied are structurally similar to norepinephrine and serotonin. There is really nothing special about those two substances, except they have evolved to be neurotransmitters. Upon a different world, with different environments, what are the chances that we are going to end up with the same neurotransmitters. I don't think it's very likely (unless the aliens share a common ancestor)
There's a reason why our species and so many species on our planet produce these chemicals in our brains to create all kinds of results while we sleep, 99.99% of which we never even remember. That seems to be the real affliction of our species is our inability to remember and recall what is happening when our brains switch channels as those brain chemicals start firing up when we fall asleep. If we were more fluent in those dreaming and out of body states, I think our desire for drugs would go down substantially.
Why in the world chaotic evolution would somehow choose to give so many species on our planet these amazing dream experiences and out of body travel? My guess is this is a very basic part of higher consciousness and I'd bet that species all over the universe are experiencing similar kinds of brain chemistry changes to allow more direct experience of non ordinary states of reality. It's very possible and even likely, that ancient cultures with shamanic orientation MASTERED these states of mind to a level that is technologically WAY AHEAD of where we are today. They may have discovered portals to knowledge that enabled them to learn about astronomy without telescopes, healing, without the scientific process and what happens after death.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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it doesn't matter anyway by time they ship the alien drugs back to earth 10 years will have passed and it will have lost all its potency. It'd be like eating stale potato chips, you could do it, but why would u subject yourself to that horror. at anyrate arn't most things out there, mostly just a handful of chemicals?
like the moon isn't it mostly rocket fuel, mars mostly iron or some shit, pluto mostly something thats something with a tail
so i mean im just saying arn't these aliens drugs like only on real alien planets, and also isn't china basically an alien planet with all that shit they are creating in labs over there?
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