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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22052662 - 08/06/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The fact is, you have no flipping clue at all what goes on in the minds of animals. None.
Yesterday, you said this:
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And, in fact, many species retain/recall memories from many incarnations shortly after birth
Which is it? Do you have a clue or don't you?
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
#22052688 - 08/06/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Our brain is an electro chemical machine. Weather there is spiritual components is debatable, whatever that means. The gnostics believed in Arkoms and a million silly primitive things. Don't get me wrong, they are much more interesting then the clueless Protistant and Catholics the just believe what their parents did, that live now. They think the material world is sinful though, and got crushed in the 200's. I also doubt their 'extensive study' would seem more then insanity in light of what we know now.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22052695 - 08/06/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You do realize that when the parents take care of their offspring until it is fully formed then being underdeveloped at birth will not harm their fitness?
Also birds.
 chook, chook mothafuckas!
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22053429 - 08/06/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Our brain is an electro chemical machine. Weather there is spiritual components is debatable, whatever that means. The gnostics believed in Arkoms and a million silly primitive things. Don't get me wrong, they are much more interesting then the clueless Protistant and Catholics the just believe what their parents did, that live now. They think the material world is sinful though, and got crushed in the 200's. I also doubt their 'extensive study' would seem more then insanity in light of what we know now.
What exactly do "we know now" about non physical reality, and non organic beings? What do we know scientifically about the incredible level of organization, detail, diversity and sheer gargantuan size of "inner space" being explored with dream/out of body states, plants and meditation? What do we know about what happens to awareness after death of the physical body? What do we know about inter dimensional beings and advanced beings that intersect with our earth reality in general?
If the answer is that "we know now" that it's all just an illusion created by brain chemistry ... LMAO ... then I'd say it's very likely WE KNOW LESS than they did.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22053437 - 08/06/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Our brain is an electro chemical machine. Weather there is spiritual components is debatable, whatever that means. The gnostics believed in Arkoms and a million silly primitive things. Don't get me wrong, they are much more interesting then the clueless Protistant and Catholics the just believe what their parents did, that live now. They think the material world is sinful though, and got crushed in the 200's. I also doubt their 'extensive study' would seem more then insanity in light of what we know now.
What exactly do "we know now" about non physical reality, and non organic beings? What do we know scientifically about the incredible level of organization, detail, diversity and sheer gargantuan size of "inner space" being explored with dream/out of body states, plants and meditation? What do we know about what happens to awareness after death of the physical body? What do we know about inter dimensional beings and advanced beings that intersect with our earth reality in general?
If the answer is that "we know now" that it's all just an illusion created by brain chemistry ... LMAO ... then I'd say it's very likely WE KNOW LESS than they did.
Look I agree with you, but what you said about human babies was wrong. Look at the blackbird!
... I see two blackbirds out of my window right now, too.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Turtletotem]
#22053478 - 08/06/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Look I agree with you, but what you said about human babies was wrong. Look at the blackbird!
... I see two blackbirds out of my window right now, too.
My point about human memory that spawned this discussion is drawn from 4 different and very interesting sources:
1. Ancient Gnostics that wrote in great detail about a non organic army of beings that are intentionally disrupting the human memory and exaggerating fear in imagination for malicious purposes 2. The incredible writings of Robert Monroe, a reluctant inner space virtuoso that explored, mapped and recorded thousands of out of body experiences in the astral realms and a direct observation of the fragmentation of the human memory system 3. The beliefs by a number of Native American Shaman that there are a lot of predatory non-organic beings in our reality that are literally feeding off human energy and creating havoc with our minds 4. The observations of Tibetan Buddhist Monks that have studied altered states of mind as seriously and scientifically as any group that ever lived ... that the human mind is afflicted with a very serious "illness" or "disease" that is deceiving us much more than we are aware of. They are very clear that there are a number of real non physical realms that truly exist and are not a chemical illusion of the brain.
Are all 4 of these sources right or wrong? I don't know for sure. My direct experience in inner space from decades of serious meditation is that both Science and the mystics are correct. There is a lot of "experience" that is just brain chemistry firing off and there are indeed real realms of non-ordinary reality that can be experienced and many (limitless) advanced non organic inter dimensional begins that can be experienced and communicated with.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22053844 - 08/06/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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As much as I enjoy the idea that non physical reality is there, I'm not entirely convinced. We are defenately particle creatures.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22053876 - 08/06/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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so where's the alien footage?
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: SurReality] 1
#22054082 - 08/06/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Turtletotem]
#22054351 - 08/06/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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when i click to enlarge the picture i says its been deleted
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: SurReality]
#22054676 - 08/06/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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SurReality said: so where's the alien footage?
Not footage... But... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/21995922
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus]
#22054708 - 08/06/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ur schizophrenic shroomopotamus
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: SurReality]
#22056328 - 08/07/15 01:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Donald: Everything we know and love is reducible to absurd acts of chemcials, and there is therefore no intrinsic value in this material universe.
Mickey: Hypocrite that you are, for you trust the chemicals in your brain to tell you that they are chemicals. All knowledge is ultimately based on that which we cannot prove. Will you fight? Or will you perish like a dog?
It was the facial expressions of Mickey & Donald that really sold this joke for me, shame it is broken.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22056881 - 08/07/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: As much as I enjoy the idea that non physical reality is there, I'm not entirely convinced. We are defenately particle creatures.
We are the coincidentia oppositorum, we are physical and spiritual...in science this is called "quantum" when things are not one or the other they are both one and the other, this is the coincidentia oppositorum, if we are particle beings we must be spiritual beings as well
We are half divine incarnation and half marauding ape, we are not one or the other we are both and...
I think it was heroclitus who said "all is war" meaning that nothing can exist without its oppisite...
I've had experiences where my consciousness was separated from my physical body, but DMT can only take you so far, you get to the after death, but it's a waiting platform, your not sure if your conscious-being will re-incarnate or enter eternal paradise or what, because with DMT there is a bungee-cord with one end tied to your conscious-being and the other tied to the physical body, so before you can go further your jolted back into your physical being...
At death your conscious-being carries on in another realm of existence, I'm certain of this...
Again, science is a tool for existence on earth, it's not an excuse to ignore or dismiss spirituality.
(When you leave earth science will be useless, it will be just you and the other and nothing else, and you may wish then that you had learned how to function outside of your physical body a litter better, some eastern faiths think you can panic and jump into a poor incarnation, and it is a scary situation, having to accept your own death, but when you learn to not panic, keep calm and think clear even while your on DMT, you will be able to keep calm and think clear at death...
DON't believe ANYBODY though, if you are questioning whether spirituality is real, then you must personally explore all realms of spirituality until you get satisfaction one way or the other....I was agnostic until DMT, I read all the spiritual books from every faith eastern and western, I practiced yoga, meditation, divination, brain-wave entrainment, etc..but nothing convinced me until I got to plant shamanism and eventually smoked DMT for the first time....
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If nothing can exist without its opposite, than physical being can not exist without non-physical being....
Things are only distinguished by the existence of their opposite...
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: SurReality]
#22056889 - 08/07/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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SurReality said: when i click to enlarge the picture i says its been deleted
I have this same issue on another thread!
I was told it was a site wide issue...
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: If nothing can exist without its opposite, than physical being can not exist without non-physical being....
Things are only distinguished by the existence of their opposite...
-E. Borodin
I know most things follow that, but the opposite of physical seems to be not existing at all. Though I could be wrong about that
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22061569 - 08/08/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: If nothing can exist without its opposite, than physical being can not exist without non-physical being....
Things are only distinguished by the existence of their opposite...
-E. Borodin
I know most things follow that, but the opposite of physical seems to be not existing at all. Though I could be wrong about that
That was the one flaw in my reasoning there...I considered this while I was typing it, and I'm sure that non-existence is a possibility, but in terms of consciousness if consciousness can exist in a body, it can exist outside of one...
(Again I don't take these ideas as truth, just possibilities revealed to me in hyperspace...i don't have beliefs, only ideas, ideas change, beliefs are held onto and resist change...)
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This is a fascinating little piece of machinery recovered from a shipwreck in the Aegean Sea that goes back 2,300 years. Showing, that analog computers were happening in Ancient Greece.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism
Mankind's true history has yet to be revealed.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22062071 - 08/08/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nah, it's well know that the Greeks of that time period tinkered with all sorts of gadgets that seem beyond the skills of humans at the time. Apart from that machine, which was used for navigation probably, most of their inventions where nothing but toys, though. It took a long time before people took real advantage of mechanical constructions.
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