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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: abductee]
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I dont know if instinctsmcount as mampries getting transfered genetically. Seems like a streach. It's probably more of a feeling, not conscious
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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koods said: None of that explains how anyone could possibly know what memories an infant animal has.
When you can explain the difference between "instinct" and memory, then I'll take your comments seriously.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: abductee]
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abductee said: This is the youtube channel of a friend I had on facebook. He learned to summon orbs and also teaches how to do it yourself and make contact. He holds events and partakes in events with people who taught him. I believe there's like four or five steps to summoning them, apparently its important to have pure intentions while doing so. The desire to know and to be open and to want to grow "spiritually" basically you reach your mind out there and knock on the door, you send a mental picture of where you are located like as if you were looking down on the area from google earth, then you ask them to come to you and show themselves, and then you have to chop off a finger.. lol jk about that last one. you ask for enlightenment or something like that. Buddy does it and a lot of people show up at some events with awesome footage. mostly orbs that sometimes give birth to smaller orbs.. sometimes things that dont even look real. but there's enough of them that really do look like shinny orbs moving against the wind, sometimes staying still and sometimes moving fast.. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQ23qMbcUUtachS9uxkPdQg
Orbs are just one more example of a form of inorganic energy that we have virtually no scientific understanding of at all. For the most part, they are ignored, yet there is a mountain of photographic evidence of their existence.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22051944 - 08/06/15 06:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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And yet after a minImum of five minutes of calling them they show, so they must have intelligence.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: Maybe karma is the preservation of past incarnations, since very little can actually be transferred from one incarnation to another, perhaps it is only wisdom and karma that follow your conscious-being between incarnations.
(I'm aware my last post are not scientific and are somewhat subjective, but I'm taking off my "scientist" hat for a moment to discuss these ideas)
-E. Borodin
Taoists are quite certain and specific that the memory loss we experience between physical incarnations is not necessary at all. And, in fact, many species retain/recall memories from many incarnations shortly after birth. The Gnostics from before Christ talked at length about an inorganic virus that has destroyed the human memory in terms of us understanding who we really are.
I love Taoism, but that doesn't mean I think they got things 100% correct...you must with pick and brush sift through layer after layer of spiritual detritus before you find the valuable artifacts, this is why I incorporate aspects from Buddhism, Taoism, Gnosticism, Hinduism, and even aspects from mainstream religions into my shamanism, which I see as the one true religion, because it's not based on political hierarchies or dogma or ancient texts, it's based on the psychedelic plant experience (it's hard to incorporate modern Christianity because it is a scam, in 325ad the Roman emperor Constantine converted Rome to Christianity, he held the nicea council, which went through the Christians texts, and threw most of them out, then redacted the ones they kept...When you practice modern Christianity, your practicing a Roman pagans version not Christ's, so I incorporate the Gnostic Nag Hammadi Library and other lost texts, which still need a lot of searching for valuables )
Say you incarnated in another dimension separate from this universe and 3 dimensional Newtonian space and time, if you then reincarnated on earth, how could anything be transferred? It's not just an issue of language....
I don't say these things like they are certain, just ideas that came through hyperspace, meaning I was "shown" these concepts while in a psychedelic trance, but I don't accept them all as truth.
...who was it that said of channeling, "just because someone is dead doesn't mean they are worth talking to" So you must have a filter in hyperspace as well.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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And, in fact, many species retain/recall memories from many incarnations shortly after birth
Prove it. This is laughable. How the hell do you know what memories new born animals have? Did you hear this from Taoists? If they make claims like this, you should be skeptical of anything else they claim as being total bullshit.
You know he could just as easily ask you to disprove what he is saying...
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Taoists are quite certain and specific that the memory loss we experience between physical incarnations is not necessary at all. And, in fact, many species retain/recall memories from many incarnations shortly after birth. The Gnostics from before Christ talked at length about an inorganic virus that has destroyed the human memory in terms of us understanding who we really are.
The Nag Hammadi texts are fascinating because they describe a powerful non-organic force or army of beings that occupy our solar system (Archons) that have literally invaded our consciousness through an attack on our imagination and memories. They describe these beings as almost like a cyber virus that "feeds" on the human species energy.
When you really think about it logically, there is no real fundamental reason in terms of survival why a human baby is so helpless for so long compared to other mammals. I think our understanding of the incarnation process is non-existant and the delusion that we are a by product of chemical reactions is the real problem. Do we exist before and after this incarnation? That's the real question. My experience is that we do. As such, anything is possible.
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I can't speak for anybody else, but I've formed all my ideas from experience, the spiritual schools just help you put it in perspective, plus if you study meditation all the skills are very useful when you get into hot water during a psychedelic trance...
I hate this cult of "only what can be measured is real"
I'm always reminded of Johnson's refutation of bishop Berkley:
After we came out of the church, we stood talking for some time together of Bishop Berkeley's ingenious sophistry to prove the nonexistence of matter, and that every thing in the universe is merely ideal. I observed, that though we are satisfied his doctrine is not true, it is impossible to refute it. I never shall forget the alacrity with which Johnson answered, striking his foot with mighty force against a large stone, till he rebounded from it -- "I refute it thus."
You remind me of Johnson, stubbing your toes on stones to confirm the reality of existence...
This view that only what can be confirmed by modern science is infantile and sophmoric, it should be obvious that existence is deeper and far more complicated than the things that modern science can measure... Modern science itself has the multiverse theory and quantum mechanics, all of which confirm spirituality to some degree...
...When you die, and it's just you confronting the other, you'll see how little science can help you, science is a tool for exsistance on earth,it's not an excuse to dismiss or ignore spirituality.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Taoists are quite certain and specific that the memory loss we experience between physical incarnations is not necessary at all. And, in fact, many species retain/recall memories from many incarnations shortly after birth. The Gnostics from before Christ talked at length about an inorganic virus that has destroyed the human memory in terms of us understanding who we really are.
The Nag Hammadi texts are fascinating because they describe a powerful non-organic force or army of beings that occupy our solar system (Archons) that have literally invaded our consciousness through an attack on our imagination and memories. They describe these beings as almost like a cyber virus that "feeds" on the human species energy.
When you really think about it logically, there is no real fundamental reason in terms of survival why a human baby is so helpless for so long compared to other mammals. I think our understanding of the incarnation process is non-existant and the delusion that we are a by product of chemical reactions is the real problem. Do we exist before and after this incarnation? That's the real question. My experience is that we do. As such, anything is possible.
Gnostic Christ sounds like Buddha when he speaks, the nag hammadi books were dug up in Egypt I believe, see, after the nicea council, Constantine went around destroying all Christian texts that were not his new version of the faith, he also killed the traditional Christian priests, how ever every so often something like the dead sea scrolls or the nag hammadi library would surface and give us a look at true Christianity. (Though the first Christian texts date to around 300ad, before this is was a loosely organized faith that relied on stories told by mouth. It's also known that Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John were not the authors of those books, which the earliest copies still date to around 300ad)
I'm certain that conscious existence follows death, but nobody had to tell me this, I smoked DMT and experienced it first hand.
I think all religions are the exegesis of the psychedelic experience, and the only religion still practicing the psychedelic experience is shamanism, therefore shamanism is the last true practice, other faiths read books, or listen to priests, either way you have to take someone else's word for it, it's a faith, while with shamanism, you meet God face to face, you see the afterlife first hand, you become Moses in front of the burning Bush, you become a witness to God in the same way Moses or arjuna or Siddhartha was....
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Gnostic Christ sounds like Buddha when he speaks, the nag hammadi books were dug up in Egypt I believe, see, after the nicea council, Constantine went around destroying all Christian texts that were not his new version of the faith, he also killed the traditional Christian priests, how ever every so often something like the dead sea scrolls or the nag hammadi library would surface and give us a look at true Christianity. (Though the first Christian texts date to around 300ad, before this is was a loosely organized faith that relied on stories told by mouth. It's also known that Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John were not the authors of those books, which the earliest copies still date to around 300ad)
I'm certain that conscious existence follows death, but nobody had to tell me this, I smoked DMT and experienced it first hand.
I think all religions are the exegesis of the psychedelic experience, and the only religion still practicing the psychedelic experience is shamanism, therefore shamanism is the last true practice, other faiths read books, or listen to priests, either way you have to take someone else's word for it, it's a faith, while with shamanism, you meet God face to face, you see the afterlife first hand, you become Moses in front of the burning Bush, you become a witness to God in the same way Moses or arjuna or Siddhartha was....
-E. Borodin
I'm very aware of how the books of the New Testament were created, edited and entangled with the Roman Empire. The mythology of Christianity is a familiar mix of Roman paganism that was deliberately designed to incorporate rituals, the Winter Solstice and symbology going back many centuries. Christianity, the version that the RCC pushed, was transformed into a very powerful system of obedience training for the masses that supported a top down form of militant nationalism that is woven into our Western world to this day that enables a tiny, tiny fraction of humans to rule the masses and profit endlessly from their labor.
The Nag Hammadi texts had no editing at all by the Romans and were primarily the writings of the Gnostics that were, at that time, the creators of the world's most sophisticated knowledge libraries which the Christians destroyed.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
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koods said: None of that explains how anyone could possibly know what memories an infant animal has.
When you can explain the difference between "instinct" and memory, then I'll take your comments seriously.
SA memory involves you knowing of events that happened. An instinct is a program nature has selected for because it is beneficial
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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SA memory involves you knowing of events that happened. An instinct is a program nature has selected for because it is beneficial
I'm not trying to be a dick here, but how exactly do you know what is going on in the mind of a baby wildebeest or Zebra moments after its birth? How could you possibly know what happens in the dreams of a dog or a lion or a kangaroo? Knowledge of many different types can be acquired or transmitted in so many ways ...
The unavoidable fact is that an "instinct" is a memory ... how that memory gets there is anyone's guess ... is it imbedded in DNA like a computer code or is it a giant data field animals tap into like an antenna or is it communication from an oversoul of some sort. No one fucking knows. And for science or anyone to claim they have more knowledge on this than a Shaman in the jungles of Colombia is absolute and total BULLSHIT.
I trust the Tibetans on this topic more than current science because they have studied this question SCIENTIFICALLY for centuries. They have, by far, the most trained people in the art of exploring non-ordinary reality for answers to these questions and, as such, their information on it is more credible that a wild ass guess from a scientist that has developed his spiritual perception to the level of kindergartener.
How the fuck does an insect know how to fly and perform extremely complex activities with a tiny, tiny brain? The calculations required to fly, find food and survive are enormous yet they have this knowledge within moments of "birth."
"instinct" is a frigging complete and total bullshit word used to describe something science has absolutely no understanding of.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22052409 - 08/06/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You don't think about instincts. They are passed on because the variation that they belong to survived. It's like if you have a tick of the face your parent had. That isn't a memory. You didn't remember anything. It all sounds very hippie to me.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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specialpeopleclub said: You don't think about instincts. They are passed on because the variation that they belong to survived. It's like if you have a tick of the face your parent had. That isn't a memory. You didn't remember anything. It all sounds very hippie to me.
So what you're saying is you have an understanding of what is going on in the awareness of a baby wildebeest moments after its birth when it stands, gets its balance and begins running with the herd? On how it finds it's mother in a herd of thousands of nearly identical looking animals? Instinct? LOL ...
How about a baby dolphin ... swimming with the pod the FIRST DAY after its born? And they have as complex a brain as we do and some would say even more complex. Instinct?
Why are human babies born apparently with virtually NO instincts to survive at all and, in fact, cry for help which would put them in more danger of predators?
Science tries desperately to explain that a physical body contains all the information that being can access. It's instinct or it's in the DNA or whatever. When, in fact, there is a vast field of knowledge and information that exists that all beings are tapping into and using in ways we have just begun to understand. Science hates that stuff, but it's reality.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22052495 - 08/06/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your arguments are non arguments. Just because a trait is selected for doesn't mean it is a choice. I don't have a memory as a baby that tells me to cry for food, I just do. I don't yell out when I hurt my finger because of a memory, it just happens. No, I can't read animal minds, but I can watch animals and see patterns based on selected programming. You can call that a memory if you want. I don't
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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I'm not trying to be a dick here, but how exactly do you know what is going on in the mind of a baby wildebeest or Zebra moments after its birth? How could you possibly know what happens in the dreams of a dog or a lion or a kangaroo? Knowledge of many different types can be acquired or transmitted in so many ways ...
You're the one making claims about animals having knowledge about past lives. How the fuck do YOU know?
This is all pseudoscientific bullshit coming from an intellectual flake.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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Why are human babies born apparently with virtually NO instincts to survive at all and, in fact, cry for help which would put them in more danger of predators?
Becasue a fully developed human would not fit out the birth canal. You need a college education.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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Why are human babies born apparently with virtually NO instincts to survive at all and, in fact, cry for help which would put them in more danger of predators?
Becasue a fully developed human would not fit out the birth canal. You need a college education.
So are you claiming that all other mammals are "fully developed" coming out of the birth canal? Proportionally are human babies smaller than other mammals?
The fact is, you have no flipping clue at all what goes on in the minds of animals. None. And yet, there are humans that have studied this extensively for eons and they are not taken seriously because they aren't gathering their information in a science lab.
Science has a very difficult time accepting that there are humans capable of gathering and acquiring knowledge in ways they have no access to.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Yeah, okay, that might be. But there is no mystery why human babies are the way they are: we are all born prematurely because otherwise our giant heads would get stuck. The skulls of newborns are very soft even, again for this same reason. There are other mammals who have this same problem, although none on the level of humans.
Anyway, I believe animals have a mind. They're build pretty much the same as we are, it would be weird for them to have a radically different OS from ours.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Turtletotem]
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Turtletotem said: Yeah, okay, that might be. But there is no mystery why human babies are the way they are: we are all born prematurely because otherwise our giant heads would get stuck. The skulls of newborns are very soft even, again for this same reason. There are other mammals who have this same problem, although none on the level of humans.
Anyway, I believe animals have a mind. They're build pretty much the same as we are, it would be weird for them to have a radically different OS from ours.
Humans born pre maturely? Human babies are pretty much defenseless and utterly dependent for 6 months ... at least ... and some would claim up to 18 years ... haha
Other mammals go through similar growth processes with the brain that humans do. What I think often happens is science feels this need to explain everything according to some grand macro uber narrative and they shoehorn ideas and theories into it even when they are utterly absurd. There is absolutely no logical evolutionary explanation of why, thousands and thousands of years ago, human babies were born utterly and completely defenseless compared to many other mammals. It certainly is/was not beneficial to their survival, that's for sure.
Anyway, my original point was that the Gnostics claimed, through extensive study of the topic, that the human memory has literally been attacked by a superior species that has caused us to be (usually, but not always) unaware of our multi-incarnation existence. There is extensive evidence that many humans have authentically recalled past incarnations but that information is ignored by scientists that believe they have the final word on this. Again, the Tibetans have studied this rigorously and for centuries ... they are far more credible on this topic than a group of people that have a belief system that human consciousness is a magical one-shot only creation of chemical reactions.
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