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The speculation that consciousness somehow springs from chemicals that become magically arranged, to me is just silly
Your conscious-being and your physical body are so deeply intertwined that it's near impossible to distinguish the two. (Much like algae, which is a lichen and a fungus, but until electron microscopes were assumed to be a single organism)
The physical body has incredible influence over your conscious state, your conscious-being is hard-wired into your physical body so deeply that you perceive the slightest signals from every nerve, these neurotransmitters are the physical form of perceptions or "feelings".
The fact the the feeling of a mystical state, or death and the after life has a physical form has always fascinated me.
Just as happiness is a result of serotonin and dopeamine, love and pair bonding is a result of oxytocin with periodic dope amine and serotonin flushes as well as epinephrine, and so on, these chemicals, these neurotransmitters, are in fact the physical form of our emotional states and psychological process.
Consciousness is not generated by these compounds, but so long as the body and your conscious-being are connected, it's these compounds that have ultimate influence over the your conscious state. Which is also why the exogenous neurotransmitters fascinate me, as well as the fact that DMT is produced endogenously. There's a compound called "pinoline" which is 6-MEO-tetrahydro-beta-Carboline, and is near identical to the harmala alkaloids found in Banisteriopsis caapi or peganum harmala. So there's really nothing in traditional ayahuasca that is not already in your body, it also means that under certain conditions tour body could release a large amount of stored pinoline inhibiting mono amine oxidase enzymes, while simultaneously releasing stored endogenous DMT, creating an ayahuasca experience 100% endogenous my, which is likely what the mystical experience is a result of. (Though I have reasoned that before the exodus Moses borrowed an ayahuasca analogue recipe from the Egyptians, it contained peganum harmala and acacia nilotica. Now, the priests made a living off of interpreting God for the masses, all those sacrificed animals were eaten by the priests, all the donations to God were kept by the priests, so they kept their method of directly connecting to God secret, which is why Moses would disappear for days on end to talk to God, he would go up mount Sinai to prepare and drink ayahuasca analogues, then come back with messages from God...but this is all another topic, so I'll stop here) The burning Bush was acacia nilotica
(Tryptophan goes in the body, this is an essential amino acid, because if we did not receive it through our diet, we would not be able to produce crucial neurotransmitters, thus it's essential we consume it. (Tryptophan is also the compound from which psilocybe fungi produce psilocybin and from which DMT containing plants produce DMT),this tryptophan is then coverted to 5-hydroxy-tryptophan, then decarboxtylated to serotonin (5-hydroxy-tryptamine),which enters the pineal gland and is then converted to N-acetyl-5-hydroxy-tryptamine, then to N-acetyl-5-methoxy-tryptamine (meletonin), then 6-methoxy-terra-hydro-beta-Carboline (pinoline)....Buddhist monks and yogis have tested to have higher amounts of pinoline present in their bodies from the average person. We do not know where DMT is produced in the body, but because of all the tryptamine chemistry that occurs in the pineal gland this has been the most prominent guess.
These fungi produce psilocybin from tryptophan intentionally, this is not a waste product, it's not a tertiary compound, and it's absolutely not a poison, these fungi are putting all of their effort into producing these compounds. These fungi are obviously saying "if you have a human brain I have information fir you", they are striving to be our symbiotes, it's no coincidence stropharia cubensis grow from cattle dung, they want to be close to primates with highly advanced brains, so they become a product of the cow, one of our main staples of diet. It's obvious these things want to be symbiotic with us.
Ok I'm getting way too far off track.
Yes, I feel it's silly to believe that consciousness is generated by the physical body, but at the same time these chemicals, these exogenous neurotransmitters are the keys to inner space, there's a universe sized area within your own head, and you can quite literally explore it, but you must have the keys...Again, going off topic, I was trying to say I feel there is something inherent my special about tryptamine and phenethylamine psychedelics and neurotransmitters.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
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The aborigines of Australia believed that no person dreamed for himself, so every morning the community gets together and everybody shares their dreams, which are combined and interpreted by by the group and the shaman.
I don't know all that much about it, but if you look into aboriginal people of Australia and their "dream time", you can obtain better information on this topic...
What a tiny, tiny fraction of our population is aware of is that there are groups of humans that can go to sleep in different locations and MEET UP in dream/astral locations and explore TOGETHER these astral worlds/possibilities. There have been numerous scientific sleep studies to verify this with brain wave and eye movement monitoring that proves that these lucid dreamers are communicating back to their dream labs, the exact moment when they meet up in astral space. It is absolutely fascinating research that takes the astral realm out of the hallucination mode and turns it into "space" that we can explore together in real time.
Instead of learning to utilize this amazing inner power, we are instead being lured into false cyber (matrix?) worlds that are sold to us and carefully managed by corporations collecting monthly fees. We have been convinced not to trust the worlds that we access through our inner vision (insight) and to trust, instead, the false reality that is being created for us by for profit multi-nationals.
And, the Science Skeptic Cult crowd is leading the way in terms of selling false reality to the masses as they replace the religious priest class with a corporate priest class that does what their funders pay for.
I posted my last post without editing it to respond to this one.
I think your 100% right.
As I said our consciousness is under attack, for what ever reason culture as a whole attempts to suppress and discredit this type of mental exploration...
We can look in the depths of space and into the heart of the atom and the deepest oceans, but when it comes to exploring your own mind in cultures view your crossing the line...
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The body is our bio-interface to this earth based reality. Consciousness can create all kinds of chemical reactions in the body and chemical reactions can create all kinds of consciousness reactions.
The most effective humans are not a "victim" of their body chemistry and addiction, but, instead, learn to gain more and more conscious and pro active control of how their body serves their consciousness goals. Through conscious choice of diet, exercise, rest, medication, the eradication of addictions and toxic chemicals and the application of self discipline in activities like meditation, one can exercise an increased level of control and influence over what chemicals the body is creating to help in the conscious exploration of our physical existence.
Ineffective humans seem a victim of their chaotic chemical reactions often (but not always) a reaction to poor choices made in the recent past.
There are very few humans in our species that will not experience increased happiness, vitality and fitness from simple diet, exercise, rest, meditation and elimination of toxins in their routines that give them a dramatic increase in conscious control of their body chemistry. And I mean VERY, VERY FEW.
Many, if not most, of those in the science skeptic cult group have no more conscious control of their diet, exercise, rest, toxins and mental development routines than the average person and, as such are poor candidates to assess the capabilities of humans that have far more access to non physical states of reality than they do. And, many in this science skeptic class spend an extraordinary amount of time engaged with computers, screens, data, cyber oriented information and whiz bang technology that disconnects them from nature and the inner states of mind that could so easily enlighten their perspective.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
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why are all the posts in this thread so god dam blocky and worded in such a way to make me feel stupid?
im all for insightful posts, but every single one of them like this is taxing on my brain
sorry, carry on
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said: why are all the posts in this thread so god dam blocky and worded in such a way to make me feel stupid?
im all for insightful posts, but every single one of them like this is taxing on my brain
sorry, carry on
I suppose we have just thought very deeply about these topics, the deeper you contemplate a topic the more complex it will become, as you add in relating features to said topic it expands and begins to encompass more and more aspects of existence...
...after long enough your left with what's above...
Sorry for all the dry chemistry stuff, I know that can be boring if your not a chemistry freak.
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makaveli8x8 said: why are all the posts in this thread so god dam blocky and worded in such a way to make me feel stupid?
im all for insightful posts, but every single one of them like this is taxing on my brain
sorry, carry on
I suppose we have just thought very deeply about these topics, the deeper you contemplate a topic the more complex it will become, as you add in relating features to said topic it expands and begins to encompass more and more aspects of existence...
...after long enough your left with what's above...
Sorry for all the dry chemistry stuff, I know that can be boring if your not a chemistry freak.
-E. Borodin
Who we are, where we come from and the origin of the Human species is complicated.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I was watching this film this morning and was instantly reminded of the conversation when we were discussing consciousness, and how it's not being generated by the physical body. This is a constant theme through out the film and is discussed in depth and from several different aspects of the phenomenon.
Though I practice shamanism, I'm not sure I would go around saying "I am a shaman", I have experienced shamanic initiation, I know the shamanic plants incredibly well, as well as their preperation and their history both shamanic and western, (I'm also skilled in modern organic chemistry and I incorporate the extracted, pure, compounds as well as some synthetics into my practice) I am working with an experienced plant shaman from Ecuador, and I use entheogenic plants for shamanic, spiritual, and purposes of exploring inner space, as well as attempting to understand existence and my purpose in it and relation to it, entheogenic plants are the center of my spiritual practice, though I also incorporate Buddhism and meditation, Taoism, Gnosticism, Hinduism, brain wave entrainment via isochronic tones and binaural beats, dreaming and lucid dreaming, novel meditation techniques, breathwork, ordeal and ordeal compounds, I also incorporate drumming and trance, sensory deprivation, mindmachines/dreamachines...basically every form of mental exploration and worth while spirituality (meaning sifting through all the detritus and nonsense which is discarded and incorporating everything else) ...though healing is always a goal of shamanism, and I am not a healer...well, I have never attempted to heal , which is why I say I practice shamanism or shamanic entheogenic plant exploration, and at some level I consider myself a shaman, but I do not make the claim of being a shaman. Regardless the film above discusses many aspects of my spiritual practice, and covers many of the topics that we have discussed b this thread.
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Life must have a way to travel between the stars, and since physical objects are limited to the speed of light, either we are going to have to employ some complex techniques of getting around this problem, such as folding space or worm-holes, or we are gong to have to build ships capable of supporting generation after generation of people for thousands of years until the destination is reached...
¦±(wild speculation below this point) Or maybe experiences such as the experiences induced by dimethyltryptamine or high dose psilocin are our direct link between the stars, between dimensions, and between life and death, and though nothing physical can cross these boundaries information and consciousness can. It's funny how seti has radio telescopes monitoring the universe for an extra terrestrial signal, when thinking that this is the way in which contact should occur is incredibly culturally biased, it's far more likely that contact occurs and has been occuring in the hyerdimetions of consciousness...since the begining of time this appears to be how contact occurs...and its actually an ingenious way for this to happen, it's far more likely that advanced extraterrestrials, as well as hyperdimentionals and the dead are all using these same channels and path-ways of consciousness and these same dimensions to interact...
Though it is also possible that physical extra-terrestrial have been and still are interacting with this planet...
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...just a few more random thoughts:
So what happened with this life filled planet that NASA was to announce?
Did you ever wonder how on dry land evolution has produced several intelligent hominids, the Neanderthals were very much like us but were a separate genetic line...but that there are no intelligent beings which live in the oceans?...I've always thought that there should have been a supper intelligent race of beings that evolved on earth but that lives under the ocean...
Did you know Jupiter puts out twice as much radiation as it can produce?...
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Its an interesting thought, to "communicate" with possible life on the planet using shrooms or DMT.
The problem is you cannot focus shrooms or DMT to that particular planet. Even if u meditated all day about this new planet, the trip will take u elsewhere.
Psychedelics just dont have the fine-precision that radio and optical telescopes have.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said: Its an interesting thought, to "communicate" with possible life on the planet using shrooms or DMT.
The problem is you cannot focus shrooms or DMT to that particular planet. Even if u meditated all day about this new planet, the trip will take u elsewhere.
Psychedelics just dont have the fine-precision that radio and optical telescopes have.
Probably depends on the person and preparation. There are some that have mastered lucid dreaming and out of body travel that can use a "small" boost of psychedelics to spring off of. If you're going for a really big dose, however, chances are your control of the destination is diminished. Of course, those that have mastered lucid dreaming and out of body travel are tapping into natural hallucinogenics and don't need that boost anyway.
Humans, for the most part, have lost touch with how to harvest the magic of the Pineal Gland. This is an enormous mistake and a direct result of the type of world we've been creating for thousands of years.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: Life must have a way to travel between the stars, and since physical objects are limited to the speed of light, either we are going to have to employ some complex techniques of getting around this problem, such as folding space or worm-holes, or we are gong to have to build ships capable of supporting generation after generation of people for thousands of years until the destination is reached...
¦±(wild speculation below this point) Or maybe experiences such as the experiences induced by dimethyltryptamine or high dose psilocin are our direct link between the stars, between dimensions, and between life and death, and though nothing physical can cross these boundaries information and consciousness can. It's funny how seti has radio telescopes monitoring the universe for an extra terrestrial signal, when thinking that this is the way in which contact should occur is incredibly culturally biased, it's far more likely that contact occurs and has been occuring in the hyerdimetions of consciousness...since the begining of time this appears to be how contact occurs...and its actually an ingenious way for this to happen, it's far more likely that advanced extraterrestrials, as well as hyperdimentionals and the dead are all using these same channels and path-ways of consciousness and these same dimensions to interact...
Though it is also possible that physical extra-terrestrial have been and still are interacting with this planet...
-E. Borodin
Awareness is not necessarily what we think of as life. That's where a lot of confusion can come in. Awareness can travel, perhaps "life" as we define it, cannot travel those vast distances.
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Biological organisms on other planets are insignificant to the life forms that have transcended physical bodies on this Earth. Earth and its reality is populated by many, many types of beings that are beyond anything we can imagine by todays science.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Bridgeburner]
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What makes you think organisms on other planets are insignificant compared to ones here?
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said: Its an interesting thought, to "communicate" with possible life on the planet using shrooms or DMT.
The problem is you cannot focus shrooms or DMT to that particular planet. Even if u meditated all day about this new planet, the trip will take u elsewhere.
Psychedelics just dont have the fine-precision that radio and optical telescopes have.
Your are and are not right.
In the hands of the unskilled it's completely random, nobody can guess if you will go between the stars or into the after death...
Which is where shamanic ritual comes in, the shaman has "phone numbers" to specific beings and locations, though instead of dialing on a phone the "number" is a song (called an icaro), or a specific act or action, so when we see the shaman jumping around and singing and waving his rattle about, we perceive it as primitive ritual, when in reality he is enacting this "fine tuning" your speaking of, and each ritual and song summons a specific being or place.
Though it seems like chaos, what goes on in hyper-space is intricately ordered, and can be controlled to a degree...
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If NASA won't come clean about info and pics they have about the moon, I doubt they would provide anything juicy about other planets.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Bridgeburner]
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Bridgeburner said: Biological organisms on other planets are insignificant to the life forms that have transcended physical bodies on this Earth. Earth and its reality is populated by many, many types of beings that are beyond anything we can imagine by todays science.
Everything in the universe is relative to everything else, even if the impact is not perceivable, everything existing together has an impact on everything else, just the fact that we exist on this earth sends out ripples of impacts through the cosmos....had our earth not been here with our life on it, the universe would have been fundamentally changed, which could be effecting existence in other planets, galaxy's, and dimensions...
Again I know it's not probable, but apparently the dead, Gods, hyperdimentionals and beings from other planets are all using these same informational pathways...and even though it seems improbable all conscious beings appear to be connected in hyperspace...as if consciousness is a whole which splits off pieces of itself to form physical beings, the beings then die, and rejoin the whole of universal consciousness then split off into another physical existence, every time this happens and you incarnate you could be a human or a dog or a bug on earth or you could be an extraterrestrial in another galaxy or an extraterrestrial "animal" on another planet or a physical being in another dimension disconnected from our universe, but we are all part of the same whole and regardless how much space or how many dimensions are put between these split off subjective physical consciousnesses, they are all connected, because they were all one and they ARE all one...It's seems very rare that you would incarnate the same planet or dimension more than once, specially with an infinite number of places to incarnate to...this is what DMT shows me, and strangely enough it's very similar to what the eastern religions have been saying all along...
This is just what I gather from a combinations of experiances through hyperspace and the after death via DMT and yage...These are INFORMATIONAL pathways as well as conscious pathways...
I'm not saying this is in fact truth, just something I was told in hyperspace...
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: abductee]
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Aliens are squares, and have no real.sense of humour..least the ones ive met.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: abductee]
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abductee said: If NASA won't come clean about info and pics they have about the moon, I doubt they would provide anything juicy about other planets.
As a branch of the military/government they are allowed to classify information, and are in no way obligated to dispense truth, therefore NASA is not a scientific organization, because science objectivly gathers and shares information regardless of the informations political or sociological effects...
We need an objective civilian scientific space research and exploration program if we are ever going to receive truthful, accurate, and objective scientific data in this area.
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yeah I think they are pretty much a private organisation that gets contracts.. something like that.
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