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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
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That's not an open question. We know the answer. human consciousness is a function of the the physical brain. Show me one example of consciousness existing without a brain. The correlation is 100%. Full consciousness requires a healthy brain. Degradation of brain structures degrades consciousness and destruction of brain structures destroys consciousness,
Objectively, I would say this is perhaps the most "open" question on the planet. At least 80% of all humans on this planet do not agree with what you're saying and probably 90%+ of all humans that have existed in our history disagree with your assertion.
Religious belief is not science. They also believe a virgin can get pregnant and old men can part a sea.
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We have literally millions of direct personal accounts of humans that have interacted with non-physical beings/entities that seem to intersect with our waking/ordinary reality.
Where is the evidence these aren't hallucinations/dream states or delusions?
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We have after death experiences where the brain is completely inactive and extraordinary things are reported.
no we don't. an inactive brain is dead and dead brains have never reported anything.
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We have the teachings and insights from some of the planets greatest minds that directly contradict what you're saying. We have the Tibetan Buddhists that have studied death more scientifically and rigorously over centuries than any other culture that has proven that consciousness does survive the death process.
monks have not studied death scientifically. Are their findings peer reviewed and have they been tested? do they make accurate predictions?
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We have virtually EVERY ancient culture that testifies that consciousness is temporarily bound to the physical form but has much more access.
ancient cultures have a notoriously poor grasp on natural phenomenon.
The brain is an interface, perhaps, like a computer operating system, that plugs us into this earth based reality. it is not, however, the the electrical power itself.
absolutely nothing you post is based in reality. it is pseudo-religious bullshit.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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That's not an open question. We know the answer. human consciousness is a function of the the physical brain. Show me one example of consciousness existing without a brain. The correlation is 100%. Full consciousness requires a healthy brain. Degradation of brain structures degrades consciousness and destruction of brain structures destroys consciousness,
Objectively, I would say this is perhaps the most "open" question on the planet. At least 80% of all humans on this planet do not agree with what you're saying and probably 90%+ of all humans that have existed in our history disagree with your assertion.
Religious belief is not science. They also believe a virgin can get pregnant and old men can part a sea.
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We have literally millions of direct personal accounts of humans that have interacted with non-physical beings/entities that seem to intersect with our waking/ordinary reality.
Where is the evidence these aren't hallucinations/dream states or delusions?
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We have after death experiences where the brain is completely inactive and extraordinary things are reported.
no we don't. an inactive brain is dead and dead brains have never reported anything.
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We have the teachings and insights from some of the planets greatest minds that directly contradict what you're saying. We have the Tibetan Buddhists that have studied death more scientifically and rigorously over centuries than any other culture that has proven that consciousness does survive the death process.
monks have not studied death scientifically. Are their findings peer reviewed and have they been tested? do they make accurate predictions?
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We have virtually EVERY ancient culture that testifies that consciousness is temporarily bound to the physical form but has much more access.
ancient cultures have a notoriously poor grasp on natural phenomenon.
The brain is an interface, perhaps, like a computer operating system, that plugs us into this earth based reality. it is not, however, the the electrical power itself.
absolutely nothing you post is based in reality. it is pseudo-religious bullshit.
Listen, bud, I'm not anti-science at all, I don't believe in any Abrahamic Scriptural nonsense, am not waiting for an apocalypse, don't doubt the science on global warming and, in general, believe the scientific process and community is an ENORMOUS benefit to our species.
Having said that, there are limits to the things science and the scientific community is likely to give us answers to. There is a type of "science religion" that has emerged in the last 50 or so years that states the ONLY evidence we will consider is peer- reviewed evidence from OUR community. And hey, that's cool, that's kinda like a lot of communities that create a big echo chamber ... it happens in religion, entertainment, politics and, science. I think this is an element of the human condition, probably a survival instinct to identify and belong to a group, but it serves as a huge blind spot.
For you to say the Tibetans have not studied the death process at great length is akin to a person saying "science is just full of crap, there's no such thing as a big bang." It's really that level of ignorance. These are very serious people, functioning at the highest academic level of their culture, incredibly disciplined and examining consciousness at a level of refinement and seriousness that makes your statements quite ludicrous. The Egyptians did it too and so have other Shamanic societies. The ancient Taoists could hardly be considered "superstitious" as they had a very scientific and serious method for determining many things, including the process of death.
I have a very close friend that is a legitimate rocket scientist. MIT grad, smartest guy from a logic standpoint I've ever met. Brilliant actually. And he doesn't have a clue in so many other areas of life. Minimal human interaction skills. Says he's never had a spiritual moment in his entire life. And he's certain there is no such thing as God.
Strengths and beliefs in one area often distort or blind us to ideas from another. I am quite open to what theoretical physicists are saying and am also interested in astrophysics as well. String theory very interesting ... the multi-verse ... multiple dimensions, possibly infinite ... All worth considering. So is what the Taoists, Tibetans and Egyptians had to say.
Our Western society is still heavily influenced by the Abrahamic religion taboos that have suppressed our minds to possible answers to the big questions. I would suggest that you're aggressive put downs of those that consider the possibility that consciousness creates form as opposed to form creating consciousness a bit more seriously. Because, at some point, you do have to account for the questions of HOW DID CONSCIOUSNESS BEGIN???? Where did all the stuff before the big bang come from. Saying "I dunno" doesn't really cut it.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
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You would think that if consciousness existed apart from the physical brain, the conciseness of the billions of people who have lived and died on earth would still be around. Where are they? Supposedly we have billions of disembodied conscious entities in existence and billions of people alive to observe them, yet never in human history has a dead person consciousness ever been observed. No evidence of disembodied consciousness exists.
Meanwhile, evidence of the physical nature of consciousness abounds. Altering the physical structure of the brain has a direct and observable effect on consciousness, and brain injuries can destroy the consciousness of a person while preserving the life functions of the body.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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koods said: You would think that if consciousness existed apart from the physical brain, the conciseness of the billions of people who have lived and died on earth would still be around. Where are they? Supposedly we have billions of disembodied conscious entities in existence and billions of people alive to observe them, yet never in human history has a dead person consciousness ever been observed. No evidence of disembodied consciousness exists.
Meanwhile, evidence of the physical nature of consciousness abounds. Altering the physical structure of the brain has a direct and observable effect on consciousness, and brain injuries can destroy the consciousness of a person while preserving the life functions of the body.
You are completely ignoring the literally MILLIONS of humans through history that have testified to having communicated with humans/ancestors that have died. In your mind they're all full of shit, and that's OK, but there is a lot of eyewitness testimony that communication with the dead does happen. The CIA has been running a remote viewing program literally for decades. How would it be possible for a person's awareness to "leave" the body and travel to other locations to witness what is taking place? The accounts of people having a direct experience with non physical entities are probably in the millions at this point. The top Nazi scientist responsible for most of the amazing discoveries in the 30's/40's once said that "they had help" and the Nazi's were carefully aligned with an occult society that performed elaborate ceremonies to interact with inter dimensional beings.
Please consider that simply because YOU haven't experienced these things or even seriously looked into them doesn't mean others haven't experienced it. Most humans NEVER experience the mental processes of Hawking when he's deep into his mathematical mind, but even fewer have experienced the kind of consciousness leaps a highly trained Taoist Master might experience after 50 years of intense mediation and Qi Gong practice. There are quite a few humans that have developed their visual perception to a level that they can detect the energy of non-physical beings around us.
Your bias is that you look to the scientific community for ALL answers. They have many answers in many areas and have severe blind spots in others.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
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You are completely ignoring the literally MILLIONS of humans through history that have testified to having communicated with humans/ancestors that have died. In your mind they're all full of shit, and that's OK, but there is a lot of eyewitness testimony that communication with the dead does happen.
Yet not a single verifiable case.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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You are completely ignoring the literally MILLIONS of humans through history that have testified to having communicated with humans/ancestors that have died. In your mind they're all full of shit, and that's OK, but there is a lot of eyewitness testimony that communication with the dead does happen.
Yet not a single verifiable case.
Be honest, how much effort have you personally put n looking at the evidence, studies, testimony etc. that exists on this topic? When you say "no verifiable case" exists, have you really looked or are you just parroting a statement that is so utterly absurd it's laughable?
How is it possible for a 2-4 year old child to accurately identify several items that were articles he possessed in a previous lifetime on a table mixed with dozens of other items? Have you ever read the transcriptions of the thousands of readings by Edgar Cayce? Or the German Scientist's study at the Technische Universität of Berlin? How about he experience of Dr. Eben Alexander or Dr. Parnia's study in the UK? And of course there are studies like this http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/scientific-proof-of-reincarnation-yes-the-soul-exists/ and others.
My guess is you know nothing of these at all or the many, many others that exist providing very clear evidence that you claim doesn't exist. Every time I've ever had a discussion with someone that claims there is no evidence, when questioned about it, they have rarely, if ever, looked into it. I sense the same is true with you and you are simply part of an echo chamber that repeats what you've heard from others in your "community".
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You are clearly too deep in the woo to look at things with a rational eye. Good luck with your healing crystals and tantric meditation.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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koods said: You are clearly too deep in the woo to look at things with a rational eye. Good luck with your healing crystals and tantric meditation.
What you've said here is akin to waving the white flag of surrender. When your bias is exposed and you are presented with the truth that you are completely uninformed on the topic you are arguing, you turn to insult and ridicule. I'd suggest you research your topic on something this important before parroting the sayings of those who belong to your community.
Face it, you don't know jack about this topic and have formed your opinion based on 2nd and 3rd hand comments made by other people who haven't researched the topic but believe themselves to be of an elite group of hard evidence demanders ... LMAO!!! The same kind of knuckleheads that claim no evidence for UFO's exist despite Truman's statements on them, thousands of declassified files from the UK, France, Belgium, Russia, and Brazil that they've never seen or even heard of. The "club" demanding "more evidence" has never taken the time to examine all the evidence that exists. Too funny.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22006070 - 07/27/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol I've debated this garbage many times. There was a laughable thread about dr. Alexander years ago. His account has been thoroughly debunked. Other accounts have been recanted.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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koods said: Lol I've debated this garbage many times. There was a laughable thread about dr. Alexander years ago. His account has been thoroughly debunked. Other accounts have been recanted.
Yeah, well, your argument is essentially accusing millions, if not billions of humans of being delusional. Every one of them. That's an extraordinary claim to make. That every single human that has walked this earth that has had an experience of real conscious contact with a non-physical being is WRONG in their eyewitness testimony. 100% wrong. That's amazing that anyone could make such a claim. I'm willing to admit that 95% are wrong for many, many different reasons, but there is going to be a small percentage that are right, by lucid, credible people.
I'd suggest you read Robert Monroe's three books for one of the most remarkable accounts of what is truly out there by a very scientific and reasonable person that put decades of research into this topic. His discoveries are nothing short of remarkable.
When you can explain how it is possible for three people, in different locations, to fall asleep and then go visit the exact same location at the exact same time in a fully lucid dream state and then come back and describe the EXACT SAME events in exact same sequence, then you'll have my attention. His experiments prove, quite clearly, that our consciousness is very capable of leaving the body and functioning even more lucidly that in our waking state and is able to meet up with other organic and inorganic beings in different locales that cannot be tracked or observed with scientific instruments.
Monroe was a no nonsense radio executive that applied the scientific process to exploring the non visible realms around us.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
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HIS experiments are meaningless unless they can be replicated.
James Randi has a million dollar prize for anyone who can simply replicate these kind of experiments in a controlled, scientific manner. Nobody has ever successfully done so.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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koods said: HIS experiments are meaningless unless they can be replicated.
James Randi has a million dollar prize for anyone who can simply replicate these kind of experiments in a controlled, scientific manner. Nobody has ever successfully done so.
His "experiments" have been replicated. Stephen LaBerge has done similar things when he ran Stanford University's sleep lab and, of course, the CIA has been doing this stuff for decades. And, I have no doubt whatsoever that you haven't got the foggiest idea of what his experiments even were yet you are insistent they are invalid. LMAO. That's what I love about guys like you ... you have no idea what is being done out there but you're certain someone, somewhere has "debunked it" although you have no idea who that is either.
You're part of a cult that has bought into an ideology that can't be proven that takes great arrogant pride in thinking your process applies to ever phenomenon on the planet when, in fact, it doesn't. Every human except for your select cult is delusional, making crap up, lying, deceiving, is superstitious except this tiny select group of .0001% of humanity that has these great scientific minds.
It is estimated that .002% of the scientific community has the physics and math chops to truly and deeply understand the math and physics behind the Big Bang yet 99% of them are convinced that theory is correct. LMAO!!!! Too funny. Science has it's Vatican full of Cardinals that send out the marching orders for the scientific priest class to tell their followers so they can remain card carrying members of the skeptics club of superior intellect.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Cracks me up how those in the Skeptic Science Cult, when presented with evidence that they don't like or understand, frantically google up any "de-bunker" they can find, don't read the silliness of the de-bunking and quickly conclude ... "see, another one of these liars has been de-bunked." It's so funny to watch the knee jerk reactions and yet absolutely no knowledge at all of what is going on around them outside the cultish science community.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: Shroomopotamus]
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he KEY question will still remain ... does consciousness create the physical form or does the physical form create consciousness? Can consciousness exist, grow and thrive without the need for a physical form or body as we know it? No need for cells or the organization of chemicals in any form at all?
Though I can not answer your first question with any certainty I can speculate based off my personal experiences in consciousness exploration and expansion on your 2nd.
I feel a physical form is in no way essential to conscious existance, when I smoke dimethyltryptamine it seems my consciousness is being separated from my physical form in a manner not dissimilar from what happens at death (only with DMT there's some invisible rope with one end tied to your physical body and one end connected to your conscious-being, so before you can go any further into the after death your returned to your body in the state and time that you left it in)
Consciousness in no way needs a physical body, but physical existence may need consciousness. So, say this entire universe was here with out any conscious observers, would it really even exist if nothing conscious was there to observe it?
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Consciousness in no way needs a physical body, but physical existence may need consciousness. So, say this entire universe was here with out any conscious observers, would it really even exist if nothing conscious was there to observe it?
-E. Borodin
The speculation that consciousness somehow springs from chemicals that become magically arranged, to me is just silly. That the universe existed in a state of ZERO consciousness at some point, because chemicals had not assembled themselves into arrangements that we recognize here on our little outpost (Earth) with our microscopes. It's ludicrous, really.
There are probably an infinite number of "ways" that consciousness can exist, some by temporarily inhabiting a physical form ... some organic, some not. Most drugs that create the experiences you describe are simply prompting very natural processes that happen while we sleep virtually every night but unfortunately forget. The Taoists have maintained that the number one "flaw" of the human species is that we horrible memories. We forget what and who we were before birth and we forget the journeys we take EVERY SINGLE NIGHT that would give us all the answers we need into who we are and where we come form
This, I speculate, is where ancient man may have had an advantage on us. There are indigenous cultures (aborigines, Kogi, etc.) that have cultivated dreaming awareness to a level that would astound most humans if they had even an inkling of what they do in these states.
We use strong psychoactives because we have lost our ability to consciously experience these natural processes. Interestingly, the Taoists, Tibetans, Gnostics of the early Christian Era and some esoteric native American shamanic traditions all assert that modern man's memory problems are not organic at all ... that this is the consequence of a superior species that has deliberately disrupted our memories for a long, long time.
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WHY is our consciousness doing this every single night and, more importantly, who are so many of us unaware of it? I think it is very possible that ancient man was far more aware of these consciousness transformations in sleep and, as a result, was learning in ways we in our modern era have completely forgotten or, worse, don't even acknowledge as valid anymore.
The aborigines of Australia believed that no person dreamed for himself, so every morning the community gets together and everybody shares their dreams, which are combined and interpreted by by the group and the shaman.
I don't know all that much about it, but if you look into aboriginal people of Australia and their "dream time", you can obtain better information on this topic...
(These people were DMT users, though they managed to keep this a protected secret from outsiders better than most cultures...)
I think consciousness is the one area we've been under constant attack from all directions...
You know how if you look at a person who is not looking at you, they will turn towards you, as if they could feel someone watching? Is this not psychic ability we all have? (Studies have been conducted on this exact topic, and a far higher percentage of the time than chance would allow, the subject knew when he was being looked at...
Culture will tell you this is nonsense or coincidence....
Who was it that said "a coincidence is what you have when you apply a bad theory" Meaning what you perceive as coincidences is a set of related events which you failed to detect...
Consciousness has many abilities that are denied by our culture...
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The aborigines of Australia believed that no person dreamed for himself, so every morning the community gets together and everybody shares their dreams, which are combined and interpreted by by the group and the shaman.
I don't know all that much about it, but if you look into aboriginal people of Australia and their "dream time", you can obtain better information on this topic...
What a tiny, tiny fraction of our population is aware of is that there are groups of humans that can go to sleep in different locations and MEET UP in dream/astral locations and explore TOGETHER these astral worlds/possibilities. There have been numerous scientific sleep studies to verify this with brain wave and eye movement monitoring that proves that these lucid dreamers are communicating back to their dream labs, the exact moment when they meet up in astral space. It is absolutely fascinating research that takes the astral realm out of the hallucination mode and turns it into "space" that we can explore together in real time.
Instead of learning to utilize this amazing inner power, we are instead being lured into false cyber (matrix?) worlds that are sold to us and carefully managed by corporations collecting monthly fees. We have been convinced not to trust the worlds that we access through our inner vision (insight) and to trust, instead, the false reality that is being created for us by for profit multi-nationals.
And, the Science Skeptic Cult crowd is leading the way in terms of selling false reality to the masses as they replace the religious priest class with a corporate priest class that does what their funders pay for.
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Cracks me up how those in the Skeptic Science Cult, when presented with evidence that they don't like or understand, frantically google up any "de-bunker" they can find, don't read the silliness of the de-bunking and quickly conclude ... "see, another one of these liars has been de-bunked." It's so funny to watch the knee jerk reactions and yet absolutely no knowledge at all of what is going on around them outside the cultish science community.
I know exactly what these claims of near death experiences, seeing heaven and out of body experiences are about. Nothing about them defies natural explanations. You are foolish to build a foundation of belief upon the testimony of people who were unconscious at the time of their experiences.
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Re: NASA to reveal planet full of alien life tomorrow [Re: koods]
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koods said:
I know exactly what these claims of near death experiences, seeing heaven and out of body experiences are about. Nothing about them defies natural explanations. You are foolish to build a foundation of belief upon the testimony of people who were unconscious at the time of their experiences.
What you may not be aware of is that in scientific sleep laboratories, the people in the lab monitoring those in lucid dreaming states as indicated by brain wave monitoring that cannot be faked can COMMUNICATE in real time with the people in LUCID dreaming consciousness which is a form of waking consciousness. Eye movements made in lucid dreaming consciousness are coincidentally identical to what the physical body does. So, if in a lucid dream the dreamer moves his eyes three times up and down, the physical body does the same. As such, there is a real time communication tool back to the lab.
How is it possible for three different people to fall asleep in different locations, meet up at a pre-determined astral location at a specific time, meet and speak with a cyber entity and then come back and report the exact same details and quotes from that conversation? These experiments are set up to insure there is no way the results can be faked.
The CIA has far more sophisticated research into this they've been doing for decades. Do you think they're just waisting money on these projects?
Seriously, I doubt you know anything at all about this topic. Have you ever read Robert Monroe's books? It is conclusive evidence that there are worlds upon worlds out there that are very organized that human consciousness can tune into, explore and participate in.
Unfortunately, no one in your science skeptic cult develops their minds to be able to access these states and in the rare situation when one does, he/she is black balled from the skeptic cult as a fringe outlier never to be trusted again. The science skeptic crowd must stay within the boundaries that the various funding sources define in order to stay on the gravy train and must play a very active role in discrediting the outliers so that a high level of obedience can be maintained.
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
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