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To case, or not to case? - cambodian whole oats spawned to coir/verm
    #21981682 - 07/22/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So for my first attempt at a bulk grow I have prepared two monotubs that are within a few days away from full colonization. I am a little fuzzy on casing layers, so after reading tons of mixed info, I figured maybe it'd be best to ask in relation to my specific set up.

For reference, here's how I got where I am now:
I had originally knocked up 12 jars of WBS with MS Cambodian syringes, but only 3 jars successfully colonized after over a month of waiting. I blamed the failure and on WBS, found some whole oats from a local farm, and from there used one of my colonized jars as a master jar to knock up 9 jars of oats by G2G, which all colonized within a week.
I then prepared the sub for my tubs (lol) by placing a brick of coir in two separate buckets along with 2 qts of verm in each. Boiled roughly 10 qts of water (which probably turned out to be more like at least 12), and divided the boiling water between the buckets. Let sit for about 2 hours, mixed and added gypsum, let sit for another hour, then determined it was wayyyy too wet. Spent the next 2 hours squeezing out water from the sub and throwing it into the tubs by hand (sanitized by alcohol, of course), then dunked my spawn for 20-25 mins in cold water, and divided the spawn equally between tubs and mixed well.
The holes in the tubs are sealed with tape, and are currently covered by a blanket in my closet. The sub is about 2.5"-3" deep. I did not place liners in my tubs, for what it's worth. There's plenty of condensation on the walls, and they have colonized quickly in the last 3 days and seem to be doing well. I have not opened them, just peered through the sides. Once ready to fruit, I plan to fill holes with polyfil and place under my bedroom windows for some natural light. I do not plan on misting or fanning, unless otherwise recommended.

Now, I've read that adding a casing layer varies according to what spawn and sub is being used, and maybe even to the specific strain? I'm just looking for some solid advice as to whether a casing layer should be applied in my case. If so, I had originally reserved some of the sub I prepared to use as a casing layer if I chose to, but would a 50/50 of peat moss/verm be the best method of casing?
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Re: To case, or not to case? - cambodian whole oats spawned to coir/verm [Re: Deezy P]
    #21981722 - 07/22/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

First of all don't wrap the tubs in a blanket.
Indirect sunlight during colonization is a good thing. You could also be making them too warm wrapped in a blanket, increasing the odds of it being contaminated drastically.

You don't NEED to case cubes, but a proper casing layer is always beneficial. Do whatever you want. I'm starting to case all my sub's though, regardless what type it is.


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Re: To case, or not to case? - cambodian whole oats spawned to coir/verm [Re: Buck513]
    #21981801 - 07/22/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I had read that if you were concerned about the tubs becoming too cold to lightly wrap them in a blanket. The room theyre in is roughly mid-70's though, and the last thing I want on my first monotubs would be a contam, so I guess I'll remove that blanket now lol

I think I would like to case at least one of the tubs though just to see how they compare. I'm assuming the sub that I had prepared and reserved is not proper casing material?


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Re: To case, or not to case? - cambodian whole oats spawned to coir/verm [Re: Deezy P]
    #21981817 - 07/22/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can case with almost anything. A lot of people use franks 50/50 casing though. Here is the link to franks tek.

Like I said, even if its not too warm, they like getting indirect sunlight during colonization. Not complete darkness.

You can use the casing you already have prepared though.


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Re: To case, or not to case? - cambodian whole oats spawned to coir/verm [Re: Buck513]
    #21981923 - 07/22/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So introducing indirect sunlight in the middle of colonization by placing them under my windows where I plan to fruit them will not affect their growth?
And also, should I sterilize the coir/verm sub I had prepared at all before applying as a casing layer? It has been sitting in a bucket, most likely oversaturated with water. And given the excess moisture, would adding more verm to the mix be a good idea?


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Re: To case, or not to case? - cambodian whole oats spawned to coir/verm [Re: Deezy P]
    #21981976 - 07/22/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There's a difference between direct sunlight and indirect sunlight. A window will provide direct sunlight.


Why don't you invest a few bucks into a 6500k bulb for fruiting anyway? Instead of trying to use what little sun you can from a window


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Re: To case, or not to case? - cambodian whole oats spawned to coir/verm [Re: Buck513]
    #21981994 - 07/22/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I feel a 6500 bulb is more like a supplement to indirect sunlight. I also have everything set up so as the sun sets, they'll get direct sunlight for at least an hour every day. That's why I get such straight stems.

I love direct sunlight for at least 30 mins and indirect sunlight all day. Best lighting imo.

I'd recommend casing. Casings are the shit! And you can max out fae because they're so lenient with misting. It's hard to over mist a casing


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Re: To case, or not to case? - cambodian whole oats spawned to coir/verm [Re: Mad Season]
    #21982355 - 07/22/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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There's a difference between direct sunlight and indirect sunlight. A window will provide direct sunlight.


Why don't you invest a few bucks into a 6500k bulb for fruiting anyway? Instead of trying to use what little sun you can from a window




Space and resources are limited right now. The sun is already set up for me and readily available. My only concern for lighting is that I just want enough to help my fruits to grow straight, not all funky like they do in when grown in the dark, if I understand that correctly.
And what I mean by indirect sunlight is that I will be placing the tubs directly beneath my windows. Most of if not all direct sunlight coming through the windows will pass over the tub, not on it. It would be considered direct sunlight if it was shining right onto the tubs, right?
And reguardless, will introducing any kind of light in the middle of colonization disrupt the tubs growth?

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I'd recommend casing. Casings are the shit! And you can max out fae because they're so lenient with misting. It's hard to over mist a casing




Do you have any experience with using coir/verm as a casing layer? I've read mixed info on whether it's a good idea or not.
And you mist with a casing? From what I read, I understood one advantage of a casing layer was that you DONT have to mist?


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Re: To case, or not to case? - cambodian whole oats spawned to coir/verm [Re: Deezy P]
    #21982369 - 07/22/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can case with straight coir, straight verm from the bag, just about anything as I already mentioned. Don't over think it.

Coir/verm is a fine casing to use.


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Re: To case, or not to case? - cambodian whole oats spawned to coir/verm [Re: Buck513]
    #21982412 - 07/22/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Coir/verm is a fine casing to use.



Even mine that has been left in the bucket over saturated with water? Like to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if there's standing water inside. I'm only concerned because I've read coir is already contaminant prone as a casing layer.. Is there a way I can properly sanitize it?


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Re: To case, or not to case? - cambodian whole oats spawned to coir/verm [Re: Deezy P]
    #21982464 - 07/22/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Coir/verm is a fine casing to use.



Even mine that has been left in the bucket over saturated with water? Like to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if there's standing water inside. I'm only concerned because I've read coir is already contaminant prone as a casing layer.. Is there a way I can properly sanitize it?




Step Six: Prepare the substrate
Get the five gallon buckets out. Poke a hole no larger than 1/4" in the lid of each, then throw in one brick of coir and two quarts of vermiculite.

Each brick of coir and two quarts verm will need 4.5 to 5 quarts of boiling water. Heat five quarts of water in your large stockpot. Put the lid on and wait until it is boiling rapidly.

Carefully pour the boiling water into the bucket. Put the lid on and let it sit for 1-3 hours.

Remove the lid and mix the coir and verm up. Then throw in a handful of gypsum and mix it again. Doing it like this ensures that you won't end up with a huge mess of gypsum at the bottom of your
bucket.
The left over you save for the casing layer had set for a couple days exposed so I put mine in a metal can and pressure cooked it for half hour
I'm sure it was sterile after that


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Re: To case, or not to case? - cambodian whole oats spawned to coir/verm [Re: Deezy P]
    #21982469 - 07/22/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If thats the case you would need to add a shitload of verm to soak up all that water.
You can sterilize it if you want, cron does that.

I would just bring it to field capacity and case it.


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Re: To case, or not to case? - cambodian whole oats spawned to coir/verm [Re: 99.99]
    #21982475 - 07/22/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You don't have to mist. You don't have to have fae either. However I like having as much fae as I can, and mist when it needs it. I like things being perfect. By doing this, I get some amazing results :smile:

I'd also recommend at least pasteurizing a casing. I've had some problems from straight casing without any sort of cooking.


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