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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: insanemike]
    #22037482 - 08/03/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Mushrooms don't talk so there is no point in listening. You may have the experience to know what gives you great results but you can not prove it using the universal language (math), so your point is invalid in this thread.







dumbest shit said in this whole thread  :facepalm3:


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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: 13shrooms]
    #22037541 - 08/03/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:

Why lockdown?


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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: 13shrooms]
    #22037579 - 08/03/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Maturing mushrooms demand more moisture for cell growth and need less moisure in the air. Perhaps with the primordia stage, the mycelium is less active so temps stay low and humidity stays high because of its relativity to temperature. As the primordia begin to grow into mushrooms, the mycelium becomes more active which raise the temps which lower the humidity because of its relativity to temperature.




mature mushrooms grow by cellular expansion not cellular division so moisture uptake is the only thing needed to mature.  pin/primordia formation uses the most energy

I know that they grow by cell expansion. Moisture uptake is dictated by evaporation rate which is a direct response to temperature, air flow and gravity. Notice how mushrooms grow slower but meatier when temps are low?

and myc creates the most heat energy during colonization not fruiting.

I would agree with that but I think temps may increase as does evaporation as mushrooms grow

your way overthinking his whole monotub design.

if I was just in this hobby to make a quick buck like most, yhan yeah I would agree with you there.

polyfill is your adjuster in monos,  you tighten the poly to raise humidity and lower fae
you loosen the poly to lower humidity and raise fae.

The point of this project is to not have to adjust polyfil so that would just defeat the purpose

its that simple its ohmatic  :hehehe:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8231041




I've read atleast a half dozen times. I give the guy respect but I doubt he conducted any real scientific study so he that tek does not hold much value here.


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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: insanemike]
    #22037616 - 08/03/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

here, an improvement on the monotub..

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20591316#20591316

and your going to get lots of help by always saying all the experience from older members/threads hold no value here.  :rolleyes:

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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: insanemike]
    #22037620 - 08/03/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

His Holiness the Dali Lama and I are enjoying this. He said, "I'm a Buddhist. When they find something better, I'll be that." There are those who believe, and those who need proof. When they converse, we are all improved.

Do not lock. Please, all, continue.

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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: 13shrooms]
    #22037646 - 08/03/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Mushrooms don't talk so there is no point in listening. You may have the experience to know what gives you great results but you can not prove it using the universal language (math), so your point is invalid in this thread.







dumbest shit said in this whole thread  :facepalm3:




Yeah. It does sound dumb, especially when you do something dumb like take what I said out of context.


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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: insanemike]
    #22037669 - 08/03/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I didnt take it out of context, I read the whole thing only I singled out that statement because of the pure ignorance of it all. 

just because you dont have numbers doesnt mean you cant learn from what your grows do.  its how you know if you made good changes/adjustments or not.  :wow:

C'mon science guy, observation is the other half of science..  :nerd:

but that holds little value here doesnt it?  :scarybeat:


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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: 13shrooms]
    #22037674 - 08/03/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think this is why people start experiments like this in journals lol.


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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: insanemike] * 1
    #22037678 - 08/03/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

mushrooms might not talk, but there is a dialogue between you and the mushroom.
that dialogue is what the changes in ur mono tub are going to be based on.
it might not be in words like we use, but it will be of the same cause:effect, action:response, that other dialogues are defined as.

just because you quantified something in numbers doesn't mean the entire phenomenon of growing is suddenly recognized and perfected.

mushrooms are as dynamic and responsive as we are.  unless you have access to a vacuum, there will be subtleties affecting things on minute levels that change the situation.

I think a more appropriate title for what you might be after maybe is "the dynamics of a mono tub".  because i would find that interesting, especially with the thermal camera if u got it (u linked it earlier).  would be cool to see visualized flow patterns of air movement in different hole set ups, with different fan speeds/directions, all the while knowing its more important to identify the dynamics of air flow in a situation as close to ones as possible, so they can then decide what actions would be most helpful to their particular case (change hole size/location, change poly density, change fan speed/direction, etc)

i don't think one improvement will solve everything, but i think if the thread was more about understanding dynamics of air flow in mono tubs, it would benefit community more to help them help themselves.


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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22037691 - 08/03/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:murray:


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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: 13shrooms]
    #22037730 - 08/03/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well said leaf :rockon:

where the hell is this guys tag :wink:


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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22037731 - 08/03/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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where the hell is this guys tag :wink:



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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: taGyo]
    #22037804 - 08/03/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No. I don't think I'm going to post anything else. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with people who don't care about what I'm trying to accomplish. Anyone interested in my work and/or would like to help me along my journey, I will create a "post to message box" and send you the link.


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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: insanemike]
    #22037807 - 08/03/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Do a journal post bro :thumbup:


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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: taGyo]
    #22037830 - 08/03/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I am interested in your findings but I think the issue is in how your presenting it. There is good things to be learned here but really the journey is just beginning and the title reads like you're further along. So people get the wrong idea or miss the point.

I agree with tag that this should be carried out in a journal. If you want broader input the post a link to the journal to direct interested parties there. Care should be taken to stress that nothing has either been proven or replaced.


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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22037851 - 08/03/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i wasn't trying to be a dick, and i don't think i was arguing.  but i guess, like all dialogues, there are many variables in understanding

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First, I would like to thank the community in advance for participating in my environmental science project. It means a lot to me when I recieve advice and constructive critism. It challenges me to see things from a different vantage point and helps me move things along.




I was following what u outlined in your OP here.  but take it like you want man, was just giving u my 2cents, as it appears you were trying to do with your posts.

I think there is benefit to be gained, and i think it can be best realized from that camera.


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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22038051 - 08/03/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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First, I would like to thank the community in advance for participating in my environmental science project. It means a lot to me when I recieve advice and constructive critism. It challenges me to see things from a different vantage point and helps me move things along.




I was following what u outlined in your OP here.  but take it like you want man, was just giving u my 2cents, as it appears you were trying to do with your posts.

I think there is benefit to be gained, and i think it can be best realized from that camera.


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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22038297 - 08/03/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

For those of you that have shown interest in my work, you will have access to my journal. For those of you that are interested but have not shown it through posting in this thread, pm me and I will add you to the list.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22038001


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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: insanemike]
    #22038322 - 08/03/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

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For those of you that are interested but have not shown it through posting in this thread, pm me and I will add you to the list.

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