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insanemike

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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: maddchef]
#22010046 - 07/28/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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taGyo
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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: insanemike]
#22010136 - 07/28/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I liek mudkipz.
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MagicInMichigan
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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: taGyo]
#22011711 - 07/28/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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taGyo said: I liek mudkipz.
Fuck a mudkip, Articuno for the win. Frozen flying badass, ice beam to victory. Lmao, oh to be 10 again.
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Darkhome
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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: MagicInMichigan]
#22012091 - 07/28/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Insanemike...I am a new member, but long time lurker Experimentation is what helps us grow in Mycology... No pun intended. Keep up the good work sir! I'll definitely be checking out your data and results.
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36fuckin5
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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22012617 - 07/28/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Why would he do an experiment yet? He is not finished his observation.
An experiment IS observation. You figure out what you think is gonna happen and why (hypothesis) then do the experiment under CONTROLLED conditions (observation) then see what the results are. If you have multiple variables (new FC and unreliable culture) then you can't conclusively say that your result was from a single variable.
You all suck RR's cock, you think he did his experiments with MS cultures? No, he got his knowledge from running isolates because you can know what to expect with a pure culture from a given set of parameters.
In the acedemic world, when you get done with your controlled experiment, you publish it in a journal so your peers can see what you did and try to repeat it. If you can't repeat it, it doesn't hold up. Simple stuff.
I live in WV. When I went to high school we were 49th in the country for education, right above Alabama. Almost all of you went to better schools than me. Did they not teach you this in your basic science class?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22012736 - 07/28/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Um your wrong. In this context what mike is doing is not an experiment. He never said it was. He doesn't need control yet. Read the post. Once he has some raw data and can build a prototype he can make use of an isolate later. What your missing and wouldn't be if you read the damn OP is that all he is trying to work out right now is air flow and humidity dynamics. He ain't making claims, he is not trying to prove anything yet. He is getting raw numbers to provide a starting point.
BTW I was never on RR's nuts. Last I checked you were the sole holder of that honor.
Edit: if you knew half as much as you think you do you would know that in science an experiment is a test or comparison of an observation. Mike has not made any observation yet, he is attempting to set the stage to make one. He is a long way off from needing control yet.
Edited by Pastywhyte (07/28/15 11:50 PM)
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MagicInMichigan
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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22012945 - 07/29/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Doesn't the thread title say it all? "Preliminary test run #1" he made no claims to starting an experiment yet. He's gathering numbers to base his experiment on while growing for a clone basically.
I'm confused by why 36fuckin5 got angry in the first place?
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36fuckin5 said: Do the experiment, then post results. You're wasting all of our time with this crap. This is exactly how bad info gets started. Some half-assed experiment happens to work, but not because of the factor you're trying to test, then we get to read about failures for the next 3 years until it's proven that whatever was done didn't work in the first place.
I realize you've probably seen A LOT of half assed stupid fucking never going to work experiments from some stoned out 40year olds in their parents basement, however I think the OP is going about it right and you possibly just misinterpreted what this particular thread was?
From what I've read of the OP's project he's gathering a decent amount of data and putting a lot of time into this to possibly improve a Tek(the mono tub)that like all things, has room for improvement. Yes is works great as is, but most everything in this hobby can&will be updated as technology/the times change. We've come along way since PF Tek and we'll go along way from today's monos(hopefully,progress&improvement are the facts of life).
He's not saying monos suck or aren't great, but if he can improve them say 3-5% that would be pretty fucking cool in my book. Good work dude, keep gathering dats for your future experiment during your prelim runs like a sensible person would. I will be following it, as other I'm sure will too. Even if it ends up doing nothing or failing at least you weren't stagnant, doing the same thing over and over never trying to make things better. I wasn't in the hobby but I imagine the people who experimented and came up with today's TEKs did similar things?
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taGyo
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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: MagicInMichigan]
#22014090 - 07/29/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lets just let it die guys lol.
On with the experiment!
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insanemike

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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: taGyo]
#22014202 - 07/29/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have to admit, I am getting a little anxious while waiting on Friday to come around. The anticipation hasn't gotten the best of me yet but I have agar transfers for my invitro z strain clone, invitro z strain hyphal knots and AA+ first gen from spores that should keep me busy tonight. Hopefully I can find some work to do tomorrow night also but I may just smoke my self stupid Thursday night instead. That way I will pass out early and get some much needed rest in preperation for my 24 hour data entry. Tub1 is fully colonized and ready to rock. Tub2 is just about there with an area of substrate the size of a 1/4" hole that still needs a day or two to catch up.
When Friday does roll around, should I collect data every 1 hour for 24 hours or every 1/2 hour for 24 hours? Those hygrometers I have are very sensitive and change readings slightly but quite often, so that's why I am asking. I will take a pic of all 3 hygrometers and there readings tonight when I get home that way you can all see the difference between them.
Barring any set backs, the 24 hour data entry period will begin Friday 7/31/15 @ 5:00 pm
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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: insanemike]
#22014515 - 07/29/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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if ur collecting data on environment, i don't think MS or isolate would really matter. as long as the substrate depth and field capacity are as close as possible from trial to trial, u should be good.
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insanemike

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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: blindingleaf]
#22014770 - 07/29/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes. Everything will be kept the same from trial to trial. I plan on using an isolate for the final test run and then for replicate runs there after.
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maddchef
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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: insanemike]
#22014915 - 07/29/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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But...but...but...
Yeah good work so far. Don't forget to dumb down the results kindergarten style for the rest of us after you crunch numbers.
Since you seem to be the one capable of doing so I'd love to see the air flow and thermal dynamics of a tub with polyfill in it.
I've had a very long argument with Frank about airflow in a monotub.
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mustangbob3
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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: maddchef]
#22018889 - 07/30/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hi mike  been a while... ive been away camping 
wow you have moved on...
glad too see all the progress and support from the community 
your a real asset to the community and also a perfectionist i must say!
when your tests are done i want to see you apply that knowledge to make a FC for pans!!
anyway im going read over what you been up to ...
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Darkhome
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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: mustangbob3]
#22019315 - 07/30/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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 You have definitely peaked my interest sir!
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insanemike

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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: Darkhome]
#22019351 - 07/30/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would like to thank you all for your support, it is much appreciated. Tonight, I plan on logging and posting room conditions using all 3 hygrometers so that you all can have a clear understanding of the differences between them. I will log them every half hour and will post before bed time. Saturday evening I will post all data from my 24 hour observation. I know this is a diverse community and we don't all use the same units of meaaurement. I can and will post temperature readings in celcius and fahrenheiht if anyone is intersted. If not, I will just post them in fahrenheiht.
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mustangbob3
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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: insanemike]
#22019776 - 07/30/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i read the martian by andy weir last week....
and i keep getting visions of you experimenting but alone on mars. lol
your dialogue, experiments and such just reminds me of mark watney!
was a great read by the way, i would recommend to anyone:)
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I can and will post temperature readings in celcius and fahrenheiht if anyone is intersted. If not, I will just post them in fahrenheiht.
im english so degrees C would be nice but if im the only 1 dont bother, i can easily convert
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Edited by mustangbob3 (07/30/15 01:19 PM)
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insanemike

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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: mustangbob3]
#22023186 - 07/31/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry about the delay, my service provider has had technical difficulties in my area the past few days.
The chart below was observed for the sole purpose of determining differentials between hygrometers. By running this observation, I have learned a few things.
The first thing, is how long it takes for the hygrometers to adjust when moved to a new location. As you can see the accurite hygrometer (3) took a little while to adjust when I moved it in the exact location of the insten probes (1,2). But once it adjusted, the temperature differential became more consistent. I'm not sure about the accurite rh readings, though because the differential seems to be all over the place. Should I go with an average differential or just monitor conditions inside of one tub and leave the other insten outside of the tub?
The second thing I learned but is not shown in this chart is after a few minutes in the room, the temp goes up about a half of a degree (celcius) or so. I believe this is caused by my body heat but can't say that confidently without further investigation.
time hygrometer 1 hygrometer 2 hygrometer 3 5:30pm. 50%/23*C,73*F 51%/23*C,73*F 42%/23*C,73*F
6:00pm. 50%/23*C,73*F 51%/23*C,73*F 46%/22*C,72*F
6:30pm. 51%/22*C,72*F 53%/22*C,72*F 46%/21*C,70*F
7:00pm. 52%/23*C,73*F 51%/23*C,73*F 47%/22*C,72*F
7:30pm. 51%/22*C,72*F 52%/22*C,72*F 46%/21*C,70*F
8:00pm. 51%/22*C,72*F 52%/22*C,72*F 47%/21*C,70*F
8:30pm. 50%/21*C,70*F 52%/21*C,70*F 46%/20*C,68*F
9:00pm. 50%/21*C,70*F 52%/21*C,70*F 47%/20*C,68*F
5:30am. 59%/19*C,66*F 61%/19*C,66*F 62%/18*C,64*F
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mustangbob3
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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: insanemike]
#22023305 - 07/31/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah i would be tempted to average it out or do more readings then plot on a chart, differential on x axis and times on y axis. join the dots. then find average height of the peaks and average place of the lows and then work out the half way point between these averages and work with that.
the humidity % in the tubs is far lower than i expected?
would they not want to be in the mid 90s minimum, or is it intended and am i missing something?
temps in tub stay stable- seems to stay at 1 degree C above the growroom temp. in theory you could work out exactly how much heat per hour the myc adds to the system per amount of substrate in your tubs.(work out the volume of air in the tub then find out how many joules of heat it takes to raise this volume of air by 1 degree) really simple and, maybe useful to know later or for other projects 
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The second thing I learned but is not shown in this chart is after a few minutes in the room, the temp goes up about a half of a degree (celcius) or so. I believe this is caused by my body heat but can't say that confidently without further investigation.
its quite surprising how much heat escapes our body!
several people in a room will raise the temp by a noticeable amount in a small space of time, i can easily see 1 person raising temps by up to a degree.
humans run at up to 5 BTUs ( 1 btu is 1055 joules) ,but most around 4BTU and that equates to around 70-80 watts(ish) constant heat, so you added a heat source and you also displaced some air when you entered the room, meaning now there was less air to warm in the room so the small heat source(you) has less work to do to raise the temps.
you added a heat source and decrease the volume/ work load so temps have to rise.
EDIT not sure you americans use btu's, prob not  anyway it stands for british thermal unit ( like our heat is different lol we like to be special)
Edited by mustangbob3 (07/31/15 08:17 AM)
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insanemike

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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: mustangbob3]
#22023388 - 07/31/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes. I understand what btu's are. In the US, ac units are based on btu's. Lol.
Yes. You are missing something. Hygrometers 1 and 2 have not been put into the tubs yet. The hygrometers were simply being tested for there differentials. It needed to be done before I ran the actual preliminary test, which will be ran starting this evening. Meaning I will introduce fruiting conditions and then I will observe and record data for 24 hours straight, starting tonight.
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Re: Monotub Improvement Project preliminary test run #1 [Re: insanemike]
#22023394 - 07/31/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Go Mikey, it's ya' birthday and we gonna' party like it's your birthday. 
Bob, we use BTU's over hear to measure thermal energy. Also, nice tidbit of information over how many BTU's an average human being runs.
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