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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21981202 - 07/22/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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that seems like more of a correlation vs. causation thing. If there is some uniquely seductive black "thug" culture, why does it exist in the first place?




That's a chicken and egg argument.  Do you know who wasn't poor?  Trayvon Martin




This just goes to show that racial equality can't be achieved with economic justice policies alone, like the colorblind "all lives matter" movement would like to believe.


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: qman]
    #21981204 - 07/22/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
I mean no one here is actually taking these nutcases seriously right?





Yes and no.

It is true that most black people killed by police were committing crimes at the time.

However the crimes they were committing were not punishable by death, and it is not always the case that shooting these people was the only option the police had.  Police should exhaust all other options before resorting to deadly force. 

In the case of petty criminals, they should be allowed to get away rather than be shot for running.  They'll get caught soon enough anyway.

Police abuse of power is a real problem - for many reasons.  The profession attracts power hungry assholes, and sometimes they get personally offended when people are non-compliant.  Police should not be shooting citizens over personal differences.

The good that can come out of the black lives matter movement is that police policies need to be updated to make the system work better and more fairly for everyone.


The grand jury process works when a citizen is indicted, but it fails miserably when a cop is indicted because at a grand jury hearing, only the police get to present their side of the story.  This very much needs reform, and is the main reason why police are sometimes allowed to murder on the job without legal repercussions.



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"and the cause of the violence is poverty"

No it isn't, if we follow that line of reasoning any places in the world that are poorer than parts of the US should experience more violence, that isn't the case at all, nice try though. 

The cause of the violence is the black thug culture that's embraced by too many in the black population.





Poverty is indeed one of the main causes of violence.  You see a lot of violence in poor areas.  You very rarely see violence in areas where people have enough money for basic necessities.  This is true in every country in the world.  If people can't get what they need by working, they have to resort to violence.


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21981218 - 07/22/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There is a phrase.  "Nigger rich".  I'm guessing he walked around it but that is what he meant


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #21981220 - 07/22/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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"young black men are killed in significantly disproportional numbers...we don't treat all lives as though they matter equally"

Oh really, who's this "we" stuff?  Who kills of all of these "young black men"? 




The police.



Man you just made sprite come out my nose. :laugh2: So all the young black males killed in the past year or so were killed by police? :wtfsonic: Man that is one hell of a stretch, do you reallize the extent of the coverup?


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 6
    #21981231 - 07/22/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Being accepted by one's own peers with disregard to societies standards and laws I'm guessing.

Read this whole thread, I disagree with you too, but not because you are trans. All lives do matter, you want us to not be racist by putting blacks in a separate category above everyone else, which means they need to be treated differently, meaning that skin color does make a difference? Racism might be a problem and may need awareness, but separating your whole race and putting yourselves up on a pedestal acting like "only black lives matter" (and don't twist it, you know as well as I do the majority of people who support this phrase, do so in this context, even if there is some who use it to push racial issues into the light) does nothing but keep you separated.

All lives do matter, equally. Racism is a whole separate subject then the importance of someones life based on their skin color, especially considering how other people have pointed out, this "black lives matter" movement started from police justifiably killing thugs, they're lives did matter, they shouldn't of tried fighting cops and shit, it wasn't because they were black which is what this whole movement started upon. When videos of police killing innocent black people for literally no reason, maybe I'll give that slogan a try, until then, all lives are equally important, and some people are racist.


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #21981264 - 07/22/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
Quote:

CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
I mean no one here is actually taking these nutcases seriously right?





Yes and no.

It is true that most black people killed by police were committing crimes at the time.

However the crimes they were committing were not punishable by death, and it is not always the case that shooting these people was the only option the police had.  Police should exhaust all other options before resorting to deadly force. 

In the case of petty criminals, they should be allowed to get away rather than be shot for running.  They'll get caught soon enough anyway.

Police abuse of power is a real problem - for many reasons.  The profession attracts power hungry assholes, and sometimes they get personally offended when people are non-compliant.  Police should not be shooting citizens over personal differences.

The good that can come out of the black lives matter movement is that police policies need to be updated to make the system work better and more fairly for everyone.


The grand jury process works when a citizen is indicted, but it fails miserably when a cop is indicted because at a grand jury hearing, only the police get to present their side of the story.  This very much needs reform, and is the main reason why police are sometimes allowed to murder on the job without legal repercussions.



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qman said:
"and the cause of the violence is poverty"

No it isn't, if we follow that line of reasoning any places in the world that are poorer than parts of the US should experience more violence, that isn't the case at all, nice try though. 

The cause of the violence is the black thug culture that's embraced by too many in the black population.





Poverty is indeed one of the main causes of violence.  You see a lot of violence in poor areas.  You very rarely see violence in areas where people have enough money for basic necessities.  This is true in every country in the world.  If people can't get what they need by working, they have to resort to violence.




"You rarely see violence in areas where people have enough money for basic necessities"

Really, what about Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, St.Louis, Oakland, Orlando, ect.?  They all have food, shelter, water and plenty more, so what's the deal?


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21981271 - 07/22/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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BlindSophist said:
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zappaisgod said:
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that seems like more of a correlation vs. causation thing. If there is some uniquely seductive black "thug" culture, why does it exist in the first place?




That's a chicken and egg argument.  Do you know who wasn't poor?  Trayvon Martin




This just goes to show that racial equality can't be achieved with economic justice policies alone, like the colorblind "all lives matter" movement would like to believe.



There was no racist element in Trayvon Martin getting shot.  There was just an asshole element and the asshole was Trayvon


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21981281 - 07/22/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That guy zimmern was an ass too


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #21981288 - 07/22/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Plus i dont think that gguy was white pretty sure he was like samoan or something wierd,


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #21981290 - 07/22/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah but he didn't do anything wrong.


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #21981299 - 07/22/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

He was mixed like almost all of us are by now.


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: qman] * 1
    #21981409 - 07/22/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It seems the irrational people will defend anything labeled PC.


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21981466 - 07/22/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Being accepted by one's own peers with disregard to societies standards and laws I'm guessing.

Read this whole thread, I disagree with you too, but not because you are trans. All lives do matter, you want us to not be racist by putting blacks in a separate category above everyone else, which means they need to be treated differently, meaning that skin color does make a difference? Racism might be a problem and may need awareness, but separating your whole race and putting yourselves up on a pedestal acting like "only black lives matter" (and don't twist it, you know as well as I do the majority of people who support this phrase, do so in this context, even if there is some who use it to push racial issues into the light) does nothing but keep you separated.

All lives do matter, equally. Racism is a whole separate subject then the importance of someones life based on their skin color, especially considering how other people have pointed out, this "black lives matter" movement started from police justifiably killing thugs, they're lives did matter, they shouldn't of tried fighting cops and shit, it wasn't because they were black which is what this whole movement started upon. When videos of police killing innocent black people for literally no reason, maybe I'll give that slogan a try, until then, all lives are equally important, and some people are racist.




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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21981510 - 07/22/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
The point that needs to be addressed, Alan, is the behavior of young Negro males.  The fact of the matter is that they should be profiled.  All young males should be profiled.  They constitute the majority of douchebags




But that's not what's happening :shrug:




No it's not.

This is a self-reinforcing form of racism, where anti-social and criminal behavior of black people is connected in people's minds with their race, and that doesn't happen when white people act the same way. Black kids riot = condemnation of the black community. White kids riot = mischievous youth.


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: koods]
    #21981522 - 07/22/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Can you give one single example of white people rioting being waved away as "mischievous youth?"

I've never seen this happen.


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: qman]
    #21981531 - 07/22/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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qman said:
Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
I mean no one here is actually taking these nutcases seriously right?





Yes and no.

It is true that most black people killed by police were committing crimes at the time.

However the crimes they were committing were not punishable by death, and it is not always the case that shooting these people was the only option the police had.  Police should exhaust all other options before resorting to deadly force. 

In the case of petty criminals, they should be allowed to get away rather than be shot for running.  They'll get caught soon enough anyway.

Police abuse of power is a real problem - for many reasons.  The profession attracts power hungry assholes, and sometimes they get personally offended when people are non-compliant.  Police should not be shooting citizens over personal differences.

The good that can come out of the black lives matter movement is that police policies need to be updated to make the system work better and more fairly for everyone.


The grand jury process works when a citizen is indicted, but it fails miserably when a cop is indicted because at a grand jury hearing, only the police get to present their side of the story.  This very much needs reform, and is the main reason why police are sometimes allowed to murder on the job without legal repercussions.



Quote:

qman said:
"and the cause of the violence is poverty"

No it isn't, if we follow that line of reasoning any places in the world that are poorer than parts of the US should experience more violence, that isn't the case at all, nice try though. 

The cause of the violence is the black thug culture that's embraced by too many in the black population.





Poverty is indeed one of the main causes of violence.  You see a lot of violence in poor areas.  You very rarely see violence in areas where people have enough money for basic necessities.  This is true in every country in the world.  If people can't get what they need by working, they have to resort to violence.




"You rarely see violence in areas where people have enough money for basic necessities"

Really, what about Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, St.Louis, Oakland, Orlando, ect.?  They all have food, shelter, water and plenty more, so what's the deal?



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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: koods]
    #21981563 - 07/22/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
I mean no one here is actually taking these nutcases seriously right?





Yes and no.

It is true that most black people killed by police were committing crimes at the time.

However the crimes they were committing were not punishable by death, and it is not always the case that shooting these people was the only option the police had.  Police should exhaust all other options before resorting to deadly force. 

In the case of petty criminals, they should be allowed to get away rather than be shot for running.  They'll get caught soon enough anyway.

Police abuse of power is a real problem - for many reasons.  The profession attracts power hungry assholes, and sometimes they get personally offended when people are non-compliant.  Police should not be shooting citizens over personal differences.

The good that can come out of the black lives matter movement is that police policies need to be updated to make the system work better and more fairly for everyone.


The grand jury process works when a citizen is indicted, but it fails miserably when a cop is indicted because at a grand jury hearing, only the police get to present their side of the story.  This very much needs reform, and is the main reason why police are sometimes allowed to murder on the job without legal repercussions.



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qman said:
"and the cause of the violence is poverty"

No it isn't, if we follow that line of reasoning any places in the world that are poorer than parts of the US should experience more violence, that isn't the case at all, nice try though. 

The cause of the violence is the black thug culture that's embraced by too many in the black population.





Poverty is indeed one of the main causes of violence.  You see a lot of violence in poor areas.  You very rarely see violence in areas where people have enough money for basic necessities.  This is true in every country in the world.  If people can't get what they need by working, they have to resort to violence.




"You rarely see violence in areas where people have enough money for basic necessities"

Really, what about Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, St.Louis, Oakland, Orlando, ect.?  They all have food, shelter, water and plenty more, so what's the deal?



No jobs.



Why no jobs?  They make up enough of the population that their entrepreneurs should be supplying plenty of jobs.  Oh wait.  They hire whitey for the real work that makes them money.  Hmmm.  I wonder why.


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: koods] * 2
    #21981565 - 07/22/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
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zappaisgod said:
The point that needs to be addressed, Alan, is the behavior of young Negro males.  The fact of the matter is that they should be profiled.  All young males should be profiled.  They constitute the majority of douchebags




But that's not what's happening :shrug:




No it's not.

This is a self-reinforcing form of racism, where anti-social and criminal behavior of black people is connected in people's minds with their race, and that doesn't happen when white people act the same way. Black kids riot = condemnation of the black community. White kids riot = mischievous youth.




"criminal behavior of black people is connected in people's minds with their race"

Why isn't the criminal behavior of Asian-Americans connected with their race?  Could it be the fact that Asian-Americans don't commit a massive disproportional amount of crime relative to the general population like African-American do.

There's a reason why they are viewed differently, they behave differently.


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: koods]
    #21981572 - 07/22/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
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qman said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
I mean no one here is actually taking these nutcases seriously right?





Yes and no.

It is true that most black people killed by police were committing crimes at the time.

However the crimes they were committing were not punishable by death, and it is not always the case that shooting these people was the only option the police had.  Police should exhaust all other options before resorting to deadly force. 

In the case of petty criminals, they should be allowed to get away rather than be shot for running.  They'll get caught soon enough anyway.

Police abuse of power is a real problem - for many reasons.  The profession attracts power hungry assholes, and sometimes they get personally offended when people are non-compliant.  Police should not be shooting citizens over personal differences.

The good that can come out of the black lives matter movement is that police policies need to be updated to make the system work better and more fairly for everyone.


The grand jury process works when a citizen is indicted, but it fails miserably when a cop is indicted because at a grand jury hearing, only the police get to present their side of the story.  This very much needs reform, and is the main reason why police are sometimes allowed to murder on the job without legal repercussions.



Quote:

qman said:
"and the cause of the violence is poverty"

No it isn't, if we follow that line of reasoning any places in the world that are poorer than parts of the US should experience more violence, that isn't the case at all, nice try though. 

The cause of the violence is the black thug culture that's embraced by too many in the black population.





Poverty is indeed one of the main causes of violence.  You see a lot of violence in poor areas.  You very rarely see violence in areas where people have enough money for basic necessities.  This is true in every country in the world.  If people can't get what they need by working, they have to resort to violence.




"You rarely see violence in areas where people have enough money for basic necessities"

Really, what about Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, St.Louis, Oakland, Orlando, ect.?  They all have food, shelter, water and plenty more, so what's the deal?



No jobs.




But that doesn't address his original assertion, violence in areas where people don't have basic necessities, nobody is staving in the US today.


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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #21981575 - 07/22/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Can you give one single example of white people rioting being waved away as "mischievous youth?"

I've never seen this happen.




The word riot doesn't even appearing this article. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-students-in-clashes-after-joe-paterno-is-ousted.html?_r=0

They are "demonstrators." Demonstrators who flipped over cars and set them on fire and threw rocks and attacked the police.

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“This definitely looks bad for our school,” he said, sprinting away from a cloud of pepper spray. “I’m sure JoePa wouldn’t want this, but this is just an uproar now.  We’re finding a way to express our anger.”

As the crowd got more aggressive, so did police officers. Some protesters fought back. One man in a gas mask rushed half a dozen police officers in protective gear, blasted one officer with pepper spray underneath his safety mask, and then sprinted away. The officer lay on the ground, rubbing his eyes




There isn't much difference in the level of violence at penn state compared to Baltimore. There were certainly more rioters at penn state. They weren't white thugs. They were kids blowing off steam... gimme a break.


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