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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Alan Rockefeller] 1
#21980986 - 07/22/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: I Dont think its a separate issue at all. I mean where are we to draw the line. Whitey is to blame for all of it.
Police violence against blacks and black on black violence are very separate issues.
The causes and solutions are extremely different.
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zappaisgod said: Michael Brown was a thug. Trayvon Martin was a thug. Eric Garner was a thug and died of a heart attack because he was an obese asthmatic, not choked to death.
Agreed. However police racism is a real issue in this country. The way black people are treated by the police is very different from the way white people are treated. Blacks are much more likely to be detained, searched and arrested. There are many reasons for this - and it's an issue that needs to be addressed.
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What makes you think it is easier to prevent police violence than Negro violence.
Because the police are not anonymous thugs. We hold them to a higher standard since they have formal training and we pay them with our tax dollars.
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Complaining about somebody retorting with "all lives matter" Is racist. All lives do matter.
All lives do matter, but that's not the point. Saying "all lives matter" is dismissive of an important point which needs to be addressed.
"Blacks are more likely to be detained, searched, and arrested. There are many reasons for this"
Not that many reasons, the main one is they live in high level criminal areas and they are more likely to engage in criminal acts.
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 2
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BlindSophist said: ZiG, I think you misread my post. I was saying that I acknowledge that you disagree with me on the basis of my statements, themselves. However, the count is now up to four people who feel my opinions don't matter in the first place because of my gender:
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They're trolling you, your liberal viewpoints have made you a reactionist and irrational.
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
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zappaisgod said: The point that needs to be addressed, Alan, is the behavior of young Negro males. The fact of the matter is that they should be profiled. All young males should be profiled. They constitute the majority of douchebags
But that's not what's happening 
Actually it is and always has. I got it when I was young. It's vicious sexism and ageism, I say.
Every young male is a suspect because they are far more likely to be an asshole than any other demographic. It is a stone fact.
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 4
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: I Dont think its a separate issue at all. I mean where are we to draw the line. Whitey is to blame for all of it.
Police violence against blacks and black on black violence are very separate issues.
The causes and solutions are extremely different.
Maybe if the government didnt defund innercity schools and teach a prodominatly white curriculum while at the same time funnling in cheap guns and drugs and manipulating traffic patterns to keep un desesirables in the ghetto the young black male wouldnt be forced to resort to violence to puchase the neccesities that food stamps and welfare cannot afford but yet the privileged white males are entitled too, its not fair.
"predominately white curriculum"
You mean an education, how horrible.
"the young black male wouldn't be forced to resort to violence"
So when I can't afford someone I want, I'm justified to use violence to fund my needs? Or just black males are justified?
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: myc_check1212]
#21981010 - 07/22/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Trolling is against Pub rules, I'm now being told by Pris#1 that even though the comment is against the rules, he can't delete it, because he is involved in the debate. In other words, keeping his dog in the race is more important to him than enforcing the rules.
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: myc_check1212]
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They're trolling you, your liberal viewpoints have made you a reactionist and irrational.
what are you serious? Bluelivesmatter? Jus say black lives dont matter honky say it!
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: The point that needs to be addressed, Alan, is the behavior of young Negro males. The fact of the matter is that they should be profiled. All young males should be profiled. They constitute the majority of douchebags
But that's not what's happening 
Actually it is and always has. I got it when I was young. It's vicious sexism and ageism, I say.
Even when I got in trouble with the law, the justice system went pretty easy on me, randomly choosing not to file charges for actionable offenses in several instances. I think it's great that I didn't have to go to jail for something as stupid as mushroom possession or DUI, but when you consider that black people are disproportionately incarcerated, my experience starts to seem a bit fishy.
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Agreed
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 3
#21981042 - 07/22/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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if anything i think you the one thats trolling here Also have you ever seen how black people act in court compared to say a chinamen or jew?
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
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Perhaps that was based on your behavior and not your skin color.
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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I wish I was, he actually told me that.
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: zappaisgod]
#21981054 - 07/22/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The point that needs to be addressed, Alan, is the behavior of young Negro males.
That is one point that needs to be addressed. There are people working on that problem. It is a very difficult problem to solve because the people doing the violence are anonymous, and the cause of the violence is poverty. The reasons for the persistent poverty are difficult to repair.
The other point that needs to be addressed is police violence. That is an easier problem to solve because the police are not anonymous, and we can create policies that they are required to follow. Expanded use of dash cams and body cams are a good start, and the footage should be required to be preserved for a year.
In addition, police should not be wasting their time on victimless crimes.
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The fact of the matter is that they should be profiled. All young males should be profiled. They constitute the majority of douchebags
Yes and no. The police aren't supposed to detain people because of their age or skin color. They are supposed to detain people who display signs that could indicate criminal activity (reasonable suspicion).
Having this reasonable suspicion standard of evidence does make our police more fair than those in many countries. I am in Mexico now looking for mushrooms, and here any cop can just walk up to you and search you for no reason. This invites a lot of abuse.
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Regardless of all that cant we all atleast agree that the black lives matter thing is completely ludacris. I mean at this point its a complete joke thats largly laughed at as a serious civil rights movement or whatever the fuck I mean no one here is actually taking these nutcases seriously right?
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Regardless of all that cant we all atleast agree that the black lives matter thing is completely ludacris. I mean at this point its a complete joke thats largly laughed at as a serious civil rights movement or whatever the fuck I mean no one here is actually taking these nutcases seriously right?
No, it's a necessary movement that has succeeded in drawing attention to and exposing double standards which are enforced across the country and the presidential candidate in the OP was a complete idiot to try to downplay its unique importance by saying "all lives matter". It's to the democrats' detriment to turn their backs on the #BlackLivesMatter movement and a really stupid move for somebody who is trying to build up an electoral base on a democratic platform.
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Alan Rockefeller] 1
#21981133 - 07/22/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The point that needs to be addressed, Alan, is the behavior of young Negro males.
That is one point that needs to be addressed. There are people working on that problem. It is a very difficult problem to solve because the people doing the violence are anonymous, and the cause of the violence is poverty. The reasons for the persistent poverty are difficult to repair.
The other point that needs to be addressed is police violence. That is an easier problem to solve because the police are not anonymous, and we can create policies that they are required to follow. Expanded use of dash cams and body cams are a good start, and the footage should be required to be preserved for a year.
In addition, police should not be wasting their time on victimless crimes.
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The fact of the matter is that they should be profiled. All young males should be profiled. They constitute the majority of douchebags
Yes and no. The police aren't supposed to detain people because of their age or skin color. They are supposed to detain people who display signs that could indicate criminal activity (reasonable suspicion).
Having this reasonable suspicion standard of evidence does make our police more fair than those in many countries. I am in Mexico now looking for mushrooms, and here any cop can just walk up to you and search you for no reason. This invites a lot of abuse.
"and the cause of the violence is poverty"
No it isn't, if we follow that line of reasoning any places in the world that are poorer than parts of the US should experience more violence, that isn't the case at all, nice try though.
The cause of the violence is the black thug culture that's embraced by too many in the black population.
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: qman]
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zappaisgod said: The point that needs to be addressed, Alan, is the behavior of young Negro males.
That is one point that needs to be addressed. There are people working on that problem. It is a very difficult problem to solve because the people doing the violence are anonymous, and the cause of the violence is poverty. The reasons for the persistent poverty are difficult to repair.
The other point that needs to be addressed is police violence. That is an easier problem to solve because the police are not anonymous, and we can create policies that they are required to follow. Expanded use of dash cams and body cams are a good start, and the footage should be required to be preserved for a year.
In addition, police should not be wasting their time on victimless crimes.
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The fact of the matter is that they should be profiled. All young males should be profiled. They constitute the majority of douchebags
Yes and no. The police aren't supposed to detain people because of their age or skin color. They are supposed to detain people who display signs that could indicate criminal activity (reasonable suspicion).
Having this reasonable suspicion standard of evidence does make our police more fair than those in many countries. I am in Mexico now looking for mushrooms, and here any cop can just walk up to you and search you for no reason. This invites a lot of abuse.
"and the cause of the violence is poverty"
No it isn't, if we follow that line of reasoning any places in the world that are poorer than parts of the US should experience more violence, that isn't the case at all, nice try though.
We are not talking about other countries. We are talking about the USA. In the USA, criminality is correlated with poverty.
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The cause of the violence is the black thug culture that's embraced by too many in the black population.
that seems like more of a correlation vs. causation thing. If there is some uniquely seductive black "thug" culture, why does it exist in the first place?
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Regardless of all that cant we all atleast agree that the black lives matter thing is completely ludacris. I mean at this point its a complete joke thats largly laughed at as a serious civil rights movement or whatever the fuck I mean no one here is actually taking these nutcases seriously right?
No, it's a necessary movement that has succeeded in drawing attention to and exposing double standards which are enforced across the country and the presidential candidate in the OP was a complete idiot to try to downplay its unique importance by saying "all lives matter". It's to the democrats' detriment to turn their backs on the #BlackLivesMatter movement and a really stupid move for somebody who is trying to build up an electoral base on a democratic platform.
"exposing double standards which are enforced across the country"
The movement hasn't exposed a dam thing, the only thing they have done is embarrassed themselves by supporting criminal thugs (Brown, Martin, Garner, ect.) in the wrong.
The latest performance at this political rally was just another example of them making complete fools of themselves, they have no shame.
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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zappaisgod said: The point that needs to be addressed, Alan, is the behavior of young Negro males.
That is one point that needs to be addressed. There are people working on that problem. It is a very difficult problem to solve because the people doing the violence are anonymous, and the cause of the violence is poverty. The reasons for the persistent poverty are difficult to repair.
The other point that needs to be addressed is police violence. That is an easier problem to solve because the police are not anonymous, and we can create policies that they are required to follow. Expanded use of dash cams and body cams are a good start, and the footage should be required to be preserved for a year.
In addition, police should not be wasting their time on victimless crimes.
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The fact of the matter is that they should be profiled. All young males should be profiled. They constitute the majority of douchebags
Yes and no. The police aren't supposed to detain people because of their age or skin color. They are supposed to detain people who display signs that could indicate criminal activity (reasonable suspicion).
Having this reasonable suspicion standard of evidence does make our police more fair than those in many countries. I am in Mexico now looking for mushrooms, and here any cop can just walk up to you and search you for no reason. This invites a lot of abuse.
"and the cause of the violence is poverty"
No it isn't, if we follow that line of reasoning any places in the world that are poorer than parts of the US should experience more violence, that isn't the case at all, nice try though.
We are not talking about other countries. We are talking about the USA. In the USA, criminality is correlated with poverty.
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The cause of the violence is the black thug culture that's embraced by too many in the black population.
that seems like more of a correlation vs. causation thing. If there is some uniquely seductive black "thug" culture, why does it exist in the first place?
"criminality is correlated with poverty"
Poverty is correlated with criminality.
"why does it exist (black thug culture) in the first place?"
The obsession with immediate gratification regardless of the consequences.
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Regardless of all that cant we all atleast agree that the black lives matter thing is completely ludacris. I mean at this point its a complete joke thats largly laughed at as a serious civil rights movement or whatever the fuck I mean no one here is actually taking these nutcases seriously right?
No, it's a necessary movement that has succeeded in drawing attention to and exposing double standards which are enforced across the country and the presidential candidate in the OP was a complete idiot to try to downplay its unique importance by saying "all lives matter". It's to the democrats' detriment to turn their backs on the #BlackLivesMatter movement and a really stupid move for somebody who is trying to build up an electoral base on a democratic platform.
That whole thing was absurd are people are fucking losing it are you kidding. He fucking apologiszed they wanna talk about disrespectful thats the most back ass shit ever. The fact that he even adressed their questions after they barged in yelling and all this was rediculous i wouldnt have given them the time of day.
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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that seems like more of a correlation vs. causation thing. If there is some uniquely seductive black "thug" culture, why does it exist in the first place?
That's a chicken and egg argument. Do you know who wasn't poor? Trayvon Martin
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Re: Dem. Presidential Candidate Martin O'Malley apologized for saying "All lives matter" [Re: qman]
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Can you explain what you mean by "obsession with immediate gratification"?
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