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what would cause this
    #21980367 - 07/22/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: what would cause this [Re: crf3437]
    #21980418 - 07/22/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Low humidity. And so the cake pins against the perlite where humidity is ideal. Instead of pinning on all sides like with a proper  SGFC


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Re: what would cause this [Re: impatientguy]
    #21980429 - 07/22/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Don't mist so often either. If you have humidity issues you need to build a proper  SGFC and soak your perlite more thoroughly before putting it in the chamber. It can take an hour or so to make a proper SGFC.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: impatientguy]
    #21980511 - 07/22/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have about 100 pins and thats the only one like that. All other cakes are pinning from all sides and bottom. And this is a "proper sgfc"  and there is 5 and a half inches on wet perlite in the bottom with no blocked holes.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: crf3437]
    #21980514 - 07/22/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I mist 3 times a day only also.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: crf3437]
    #21980518 - 07/22/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I took a garden hose to the perlite, its wet even now its damp to the touch


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Re: what would cause this [Re: crf3437]
    #21980631 - 07/22/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The holes in your sgfc look wonky. They should be 2 inches apart in a grid like pattern on all 6 sides. Also, it looks too damp in there. That would explain why your mushy looks that way because it's not getting proper fae.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: impatientguy]
    #21980696 - 07/22/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

As long as the holes are every 2 inches on all 6 sides, he'll be fine. Doesn't have to be super anal about it. Also the bottom holes should get poked to make sure they're not plugged.

They fruited down there because of the high surface humidity, not relative humidity. Surface humidity is what is important, if it gets dried up a bit, it needs to be misted. It must be dark and glistening at all times. Otherwise it'll just pin on the bottom where it'll have higher surface humidity. This is an indication you didn't mist it and the perlite enough. Not too much.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: Mad Season]
    #21981068 - 07/22/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Dripping water on the mushrooms and on the walls and you say he didnt spray enough? I think not.

If you have a proper SGFC the humidity will be at 95-100% and they will fruit everywhere. Not just by the perlite.  That's what I've experienced anyway.  Maybe the op's cake was just thirsty and needed a dunking.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: impatientguy]
    #21981092 - 07/22/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:facepalm: well he obviously took a picture of it when he just misted. I'm saying for the whole time it was in fruiting it wasn't misted enough. If it had proper surface hydration/humidity, it'd be pinning on the surface of it. I fruited these guys in literally 1-10% humidity. They just had good surface hydration.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21856836

obviously they're cracked from being dry, but that's because they're subjected to such harsh conditions. A proper sgfc can dip down to 50% relative humidity at times based on the rooms air currents. What truly matters is a constant surface humidity/hydration (replaced with misting) with a lower humidity around it. This with a maximum fae will cause a constant evaporation. Any info from 5 years to now will completely agree with this statement. What matters most is the eyes to know when it needs to be misted or not.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: Mad Season]
    #21981136 - 07/22/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If your fc is at a constant 95 to 100 humidity then there is no need to worry about the "surface humidity"  and in a properly constructed SGFC with no fans or windows open in the room the humidity will be at a constant 95 -100. So why the faceslap. Bro everything I've posted has been spot on. And your not suppose to mist until your shrooms are literally dripping.  And yes they will grow in very low humidity environments but like I said in a proper SGFC you'll never have a low humidity environment.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: impatientguy]
    #21981168 - 07/22/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its not splitting like that from dryness. Splitting like that is usually from fluctuating humidity. If its summer in your area and the AC is kicking on every 30 min that could be causing the FC RH to drop suddenly and then it comes back up fast once the AC shuts off. Same with winter and the heat.

Ensure that the SGFC is not near any vents and possibly close one of them if the room has several. Also ensure no fans are running as they interfere with the function of the chamber.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: impatientguy]
    #21981181 - 07/22/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You don't get it. With 95-100% humidity how will there be evaporation? Just think about it. Just saying a real sgfc is like rarely above 90%. 65-80 normally. This is why they dry out a lot and need misting a lot. This is their principle.

Just read this:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19279962#19279962
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542

Also in Florida it's not constantly 95%-100%. That is actually ridiculously beneficial for bacteria and as said before slows down evaporation. Also the fruits might be a bit wet, but the cakes look like they still need more. Still not even at the right darkness of proper hydration


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Re: what would cause this [Re: Mad Season]
    #21981209 - 07/22/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There will be evaporation when I take the lid off and mist and fan it. I live in dry-ass south dakota. And my SGFC is at a constant 95-100% humitity.  That's why we mist and fan is for evaporation.  I'm done nit picking now lol just feeling cranky. Have a good day


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Re: what would cause this [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21981212 - 07/22/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Its not splitting like that from dryness. Splitting like that is usually from fluctuating humidity.




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Re: what would cause this [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21981819 - 07/22/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Its not splitting like that from dryness. Splitting like that is usually from fluctuating humidity.







:whathesaid:

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Split stems is most often caused by RAPID fluctuations in air temp & humidity. High humidity, then low humidity is what most often does it. You want to shoot for CONSTANT humidity.  :thumbup:




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Re: what would cause this [Re: impatientguy]
    #21981845 - 07/22/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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There will be evaporation when I take the lid off and mist and fan it. I live in dry-ass south dakota. And my SGFC is at a constant 95-100% humitity.  That's why we mist and fan is for evaporation.  I'm done nit picking now lol just feeling cranky. Have a good day



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Re: what would cause this [Re: Buck513]
    #21981867 - 07/22/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Seriously buck.. it makes no sense right? How would you have evaporation just when you take off the lid? You especially wouldn't if you're misting it when you do LOL. It should have constant evaporation.

What makes you so certain it's 95-100 in "dry-ass south Dakota?"


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Re: what would cause this [Re: Mad Season]
    #21981883 - 07/22/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I seriously doubt his humidity is 100%, or even close to it.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: Buck513]
    #21981895 - 07/22/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah. Maybe 90 tops.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: Mad Season]
    #21982161 - 07/22/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lol my chamber is 95 to 100 percent humidity  I have a hydrometer in there.  And I get great FAE so when I open my lid to mist and fan it it evaporates the mist I spray on my tray or cakes and the fae continues to evaporate the leftover mist. When it's ready I do the cycle again. Are you this hung up over this or what? My chamber is properly made so it works perfectly. And I meant I live in south dakota and my chamber is 95 to 100 humidity. Not the humidity outside,here it's like 25%humidity out usually. Don't get so worked up bro lol.  It makes perfect sense you just aren't understanding me.  You got a lot of time on your hands don't ya buck.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: impatientguy]
    #21982179 - 07/22/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Somtimes it gets to like 10 to 15 percent even.  Lately its been much more humid though. Like 50 but it will go down in a few days, it just rained all night a couple days ago


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Re: what would cause this [Re: impatientguy]
    #21982192 - 07/22/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah my hygrometer said that too. Until I calibrated it properly.. You gotta calibrate it in a very wet paper towel, and recalibrate it every week. It's hard for it to read high ratings in an fc otherwise. A big indication it isn't working is when it says 95-100%. But what do I know :rolleyes:

Everything else you're explaining is just what happens in lower humidity environments.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: Mad Season]
    #21982229 - 07/22/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Mad Season said: A big indication it isn't working is when it says 95-100%. But what do I know :rolleyes:
Me: lol unless it it working just fine and I made a proper SGFC. Quit pulling stuff from your ass bro. Just trying to prove me wrong so badly you hater.


Everything else you're explaining is just what happens in lower humidity environments.


quote me then bro. Because I've grown shit loads of cubes and I do know what I'm talking about. Your starting to get on my nerves with your snotty attitude.


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    #21982235 - 07/22/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Lol my chamber is 95 to 100 percent humidity  I have a hydrometer in there.  And I get great FAE so when I open my lid to mist and fan it it evaporates the mist I spray on my tray or cakes and the fae continues to evaporate the leftover mist. When it's ready I do the cycle again. Are you this hung up over this or what? My chamber is properly made so it works perfectly. And I meant I live in south dakota and my chamber is 95 to 100 humidity. Not the humidity outside,here it's like 25%humidity out usually. Don't get so worked up bro lol.  It makes perfect sense you just aren't understanding me.  You got a lot of time on your hands don't ya buck.



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    #21982257 - 07/22/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:randy2: suck my balls :randy:


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Re: what would cause this [Re: impatientguy]
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Mad Season said: A big indication it isn't working is when it says 95-100%. But what do I know :rolleyes:
Me: lol unless it it working just fine and I made a proper SGFC. Quit pulling stuff from your ass bro. Just trying to prove me wrong so badly you hater.


Everything else you're explaining is just what happens in lower humidity environments.


quote me then bro. Because I've grown shit loads of cubes and I do know what I'm talking about. Your starting to get on my nerves with your snotty attitude.



Wow all I'm doing is stopping the spread of bad information. You have no idea how many times I've had this conversation, and every time I'm right. I'd back down if I didn't know I was right. I didn't call you any names.. idk why you're taking it so personally. Cool story on the cubes. I've had cubes grow invitro in trays I forgot about. That's how easy it is to grow them. I only care about growing right and having proper information spread.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: Mad Season]
    #21982267 - 07/22/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Like I said quote me bro quote my "bad information."


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    #21982283 - 07/22/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Are you sure? It'll be a long ass post.. I already gave you the resources to read. You obviously haven't yet since you are still talking about this.

Here you go again: round and round we go

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Re: what would cause this [Re: Mad Season]
    #21982288 - 07/22/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There you go again pussyfooting around it again. Quote me bro quote my "bad information" exactly.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: impatientguy]
    #21982308 - 07/22/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just read this whole thread.. holy crap. Especially the part about me saying 95-100 isn't beneficial. It invites contamination like bacteria, and doesn't have evaporation. Are you just trolling me? Cause you're doing a good job. If I didn't think you had bad information I wouldn't have said anything. Read from my first post onwards.


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    #21982324 - 07/22/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Mad, he's an "impatient guy" he doesnt have time to read entire threads, or links with good information.
He's stuck in his childish ways, resorting to personal attacks.
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Re: what would cause this [Re: impatientguy]
    #21982341 - 07/22/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I like how you keep posting that like it means anything. I know how a SGFC works. And they are supposed to stay at 95 to 100 humidity it the holes are right and the perlite is damp. Mine does.



I've said over and over 4 times I think to quote my bad information but you wont. Because I never posted any


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Re: what would cause this [Re: Buck513]
    #21982345 - 07/22/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What personal attacks are you talking about exactly?


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Re: what would cause this [Re: impatientguy]
    #21982367 - 07/22/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Obvious troll is obvious.

I haven't seen you provide ANY evidence, whereas I've given you 2 write ups. Both from VERY trusted members, and a large amount of me providing information. I honestly don't know what else I can possibly do for you to get it.. unless you're actually just a troll, in which case :congrats:

Seriously buck. Name fits well lol

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Re: what would cause this [Re: impatientguy]
    #21982370 - 07/22/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I like how you keep posting that like it means anything. I know how a SGFC works. And they are supposed to stay at 95 to 100 humidity it the holes are right and the perlite is damp. Mine does.
your very arrogant in my opinion.




Your wrong. They don't.  If they did your substrate would be over saturated. You don't want a fruiting chamber to be at 95-100, the only place you need the rh that high is in the microclimate formed at the substrate surface.

A SGFC should fluctuate between 85-55%  rh. If it jumps from higher to lower than that in a short period of time you will end up with split fruits like the OP of this thread. Thats why I suggested to check his AC as that will interfer with the chambers natural operation.

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Re: what would cause this [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21982416 - 07/22/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Then explain why I've seen RR post that you can't have to high of a humidity in a FC? And how would your sub get over saturated in a 95 % humidity? its not on the perlite so that makes no sense to me. If that were the case people wouldn't need to dunk there cakes  they would only need to raise the humidity to rehydrate there subs.  And why does my SGFC stay at 95? My hydrometer is correct. I'd bet my car on it. And it's a properly made SGFC too just so you know.  Not trying to be a dick I'm serious about the questions. I've literally never seen my FC drop below 93 (besides opening it to mist and fan.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21982439 - 07/22/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't really think you should trust your hygrometer. I think every good grower trusts their eyes way more. As I said before, when it says 95 to 100% humidity, it just means it can't read a higher water count in the air. That's why it needs to be calibrated in a wet paper towel, which should have the highest water count possible for it to be able to compare and gauge off of.

A high humidity is good. It'll stop the caps from cracking, but too much and it'll just invite all kinds of problems. Sgfcs are designed to be in the goldilocks zone


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Re: what would cause this [Re: Mad Season]
    #21982477 - 07/22/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I calibrated it before (in my shower)and haven't changed the design of my SGFC since  so I'm thinking its spot on. If I take it out of my fc(into open air) it reads the same as the other one I have. Idk I've grown over a pound and a half dry, almost two(total over about half a year) so I must be doing somthing right.



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Re: what would cause this [Re: impatientguy]
    #21982489 - 07/22/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like good success :thumbup: I just think you'd easily have the same success without one. Also if it says 99 and they look dry, you still mist right? That just says you're using your eyes over the gauge. But you know. To each their own.


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    #21982505 - 07/22/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Then explain why I've seen RR post that you can't have to high of a humidity in a FC? And how would your sub get over saturated in a 95 % humidity? its not on the perlite so that makes no sense to me. If that were the case people wouldn't need to dunk there cakes  they would only need to raise the humidity to rehydrate there subs.  And why does my SGFC stay at 95? My hydrometer is correct. I'd bet my car on it. And it's a properly made SGFC too just so you know.  Not trying to be a dick I'm serious about the questions. I've literally never seen my FC drop below 93 (besides opening it to mist and fan.




I'm sure he had his reasons at the time he said that but first, he is still human and capable of mistakes, two he has recanted a lot of things he said over the years, and three he knows full well total saturation will prevent evaporation. Maybe you read his post out of context.

Also your sub can easily be oversaturated if the rh is so high that the moisture from the misting people like to do will not evaporate off and are drawn into the substrate.  Happens lots here, it inhibits pinning.

Your hygrometer is most likely not correct, most are garbage and analog ones need to be constantly recalibrated. Thats why few real cultivators use them. If the rh has not dropped to at least 60 when you fan, its not working.

Lets be completely serious here. No monotub holds RH higher than 80. They don't need to. A fruit can grow just fine in 60 RH. Some of the best grows here on the boards were done in open air. The only place the rh needs to be at 95% is right at the substrate surface. Microclimate.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21982574 - 07/22/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My last grow of aa+ was 20 dry ounces.

Growing 1.5lbs over 6 months or so isn't really a big deal...


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    #21982686 - 07/23/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:lol: but he wanted to feel special buck, and for most who don't take this hobby seriously, that's a lot. Kinda funny tho. You are right. My first grow log in my signature produced more than that. First flush was 1 p 7 ounces and 2nd was 15 ounces. I stopped keeping track after, and that was  pretty small compared to what I've got in the works right now :awesome:


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Re: what would cause this [Re: Mad Season]
    #21982791 - 07/23/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's more than I'll eat in my lifetime. And I don't sell ANY of em so.

Doesn't mean I couldn't have produced a lot more. I just grew it all out in a single smaller FC so I took a little while. But your right I guess it's really not that much.


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    #21982806 - 07/23/15 12:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In 1 chamber that's pretty good. And ya it is a lot for personal use lol. Can start getting experimental with it too. I'm going to try making shroom goo this weekend using alcohol to extract it for shits and giggles.


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    #21982827 - 07/23/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Haha sweet man! Hopefully the thickness will keep the goo from oxidizing  Lately I've kinda been a cactus guy instead of a mushroom guy. Ever done mescaline? San pedro is pretty cheap hehe


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    #21982852 - 07/23/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Never had it. Been dying to try it. Not sure why I haven't yet. Peyote is legal round these parts lol, and Pedro is sold at Wal mart. I'm hopefully about to have pan cyan for the first time. They're coming up as we speak :P

Took this earlier today:


A bunch of people both in person and on here have had great shroom goo. Heard some insane stories, A lot of them saying that they had a piece about the size of a rocket candy or your pinky nail, and it was like they were on 14 grams


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    #21982866 - 07/23/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Damn that's pretty sweet man, probably overkill for me, I can't handle much over an eth of strong mushies. Never had any myself either (of the pans) but I definitely recommend the mesc. Feels so nice lol takes a long time to prep though


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    #21982896 - 07/23/15 01:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds like I'm missing out on the mescaline. I'll have to figure it out. Just like dmt :'(.

I'm not really into much over 5 grams these days either. However for the pursuit of testing the potency of the goo, I don't mind over dosing a little bit :P. You're not a real psychonaut unless you're able to take on those unexpected trips with a big grin afterwards. Which I know I'll have if I do over dose a bit :P. I heard not even a gram of pan cyan knocks lots of people onto their ass begging it to stop. Apparently it's like at least 3 times more potent :O. Pans are probably the most potent species you can grow indoors.

Not sure what species of pans are the most potent. Just know that I'm so down to try my cyanescens


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    #21982902 - 07/23/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting maybe I'll try pans for my next spores


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    #21983079 - 07/23/15 03:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I should have also mentioned I don't really ever go for a 2nd flush. I usually just do one and toss it. I mean I'm sure I could have milked my substrates for a lot more, but ehh.


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    #21983655 - 07/23/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Damn yeah I've always just kinda flushed it until it wasn't worth my time. About 2 or 3 flushes for me.  You guys must have some huge FCs haha


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    #21983722 - 07/23/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I like monotubs. Self contained,  easy to dial in, stackable. Run one or a dozen. For a 66 quart mono a yield of 8 - 12 dry oz is pretty easy to accomplish first flush.



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    #21983739 - 07/23/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Damn:eek:  nice albinos man!


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Re: what would cause this [Re: impatientguy]
    #21985146 - 07/23/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So whats the verdict? Haha lots of shenanigans to read through now... I picked that one and a few others. When the cakes were in the jars to tops all pinned like crazy and thats why the mushrooms are all at the bottom. Some are pinnings from the side.


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Re: what would cause this [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21985177 - 07/23/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It cracked from having lots of humidity fluctuations.
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Its not splitting like that from dryness. Splitting like that is usually from fluctuating humidity. If its summer in your area and the AC is kicking on every 30 min that could be causing the FC RH to drop suddenly and then it comes back up fast once the AC shuts off. Same with winter and the heat.

Ensure that the SGFC is not near any vents and possibly close one of them if the room has several. Also ensure no fans are running as they interfere with the function of the chamber.



If you're worried about why you only had 1 big massive fruit, I was saying you needed a high surface humidity in a high fae environment. This will trigger lots of pins.


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    #21985195 - 07/23/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok thanks man


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    #21985311 - 07/23/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes i had 3 big ones about 7 inches long and now ive got 5 or so that are only 3 inches long. I waited for the veil to break on each one


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