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    #21980236 - 07/22/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey everyone. So just found this mushroom in the middle of Kentucky. It immediately bruised blue. Could anyone give me a positive identification on this. I'm thinking its a cube


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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: Yogithebear]
    #21980248 - 07/22/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This is a bolete of some type.  It bears absolutely no resemblance to a cube.  You're not the first that has been fooled by a blue bruising bolete, but you should really look at pictures of your target species.


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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: mountainplayer]
    #21980264 - 07/22/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

These are the actives you want to be looking for in Kentucky
Gymnopilus junonius
Panaeolus cinctulus
Psilocybe caerulipes
Psilocybe ovoideocystidiate

Cubensis are not found in Kentucky to my knowledge.


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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: T-Funkadelic] * 1
    #21980864 - 07/22/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Cubensis are not found in Kentucky to my knowledge.



I do believe you can find them in closets in some parts of KY...that's what I heard anyway...

Seriously though OP, this time of year I'd research and hunt for Panaeolus cinctulus, probably your best bet.


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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: amilibertine]
    #21981024 - 07/22/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A cube??????? What even gave you that impression?


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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: SatanicShroomer]
    #21981038 - 07/22/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Because he saw the blue bruising and doesn't know any better.


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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: amilibertine]
    #21981050 - 07/22/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's a polypore, polypore mushrooms bruise blue due to an enzymatic process that does not involve psilocybin.

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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21981076 - 07/22/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's a Bolete, not a polypore.


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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21981090 - 07/22/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes it's a Bolete, but it is still a polypore.

Polypore simply means that it does not have gills, it has a sponge like surface for spore distrubutionn

If it doesn't have gills the brie bruising is not from psilocybin.

Lactarius indigo is a filled species that bruises blue due to a compound called 7-Isopropenyl-4-methylazulen-1-yl)methyl stearate.

So blue bruising is only a good indication if the species you found was in the habitat and resembles a known psilocybe.

Fascinating stuff regardless, I love these live forms and their biochemistry.

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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21981098 - 07/22/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry about the typo above it was supposed to say blue bruising instead of "brie"

-E. Borodin


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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21981110 - 07/22/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Damn, and it was supposed to say gilled species not "filled", I know I could edit the post but I'm on a mobile device and this is faster.

Sorry about the sloppy typing.

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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: amilibertine]
    #21981134 - 07/22/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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T-Funkadelic said:
Cubensis are not found in Kentucky to my knowledge.



I do believe you can find them in closets in some parts of KY...that's what I heard anyway...

Seriously though OP, this time of year I'd research and hunt for Panaeolus cinctulus, probably your best bet.




Yeah, I live in SE VA and from what I've read you can find Cubensis here but I haven't  had any luck. I agree, I do find them in my closet about once a month or so here too.


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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21981226 - 07/22/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes it's a Bolete, but it is still a polypore.




In the 1700's all boletes were put into the Polyporus genus.  In the 1800's they were moved into Boletus.  In the past 6 months, most boletes have been kicked out of Boletus and put into their own genera, since they weren't all actually related.  For more information on that, see The genus Boletus has been blasted to pieces.





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Lactarius indigo is a filled species that bruises blue due to a compound called 7-Isopropenyl-4-methylazulen-1-yl)methyl stearate.




Cool!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaiazulene


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Fascinating stuff regardless, I love these live forms and their biochemistry.





If you like the chemistry of blue staining mushrooms, you will love this article:

Bluing Components and Other Pigments of Boletes.


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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #21982557 - 07/22/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

great links! 

the next ten years are going to be really interesting as the genetics and more metabolite information gets sorted out. 
from the .pdf:
it is stated that variegatic and xerocomic acids are only present in the order Boletales, so that their isolation from Gomphidius, Omphalotus, Hygrophoropsis, Coniophora, Leucogyrophana, Rhizopogon, and Serpula species is strong evidence for their inclusion in the Boletales.

emphasis mine on the species.  wild that they may be related genetically but morphologically so different


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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #21983541 - 07/23/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

...I've always called any cataphores lacking gills (possessing a sponge like mass for spore distribution) a polypore...

Is this not proper nomenclature?

or are boletes simply a special case?

Also thank you for the link I'm going to review it now.

-E. Borodin


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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21983826 - 07/23/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nice cube, mate


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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: Sad Onion]
    #21983865 - 07/23/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think the major difference between the polypores and boletaceae is habitat. Boletaceae typically grow near trees but never directly on them. Most polypores by comparison will usually be found growing directly on wood; i.e. out of stumps, woodchips, living trees, etc. There are likely a few exceptions for each though.


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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: EnergyTurtle]
    #21983883 - 07/23/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

alan's point (i think) is that it turns out that what it looks like is less important than what its made of


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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #21984065 - 07/23/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You figure a major physical characteristic like lacking gills in place of a sponge like surface would over-ride habitat in classification, but yeah, I see what you mean.

Regardless I'm always going to think "polypore" when I see this physical characteristic.

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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21984085 - 07/23/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

At the same time, this could be seen as a special case, it's been moved between classes over time.

That link " the genus boletus has been blasted to pieces" that was posted earlier was very informitive.

I guess due to different species independently evolving the same features, but being unrelated otherwise is where the issue originated.

Which is fascinating as well, thank you Allen Rockefeller, I have yet to review the "blue bruising" link but it's on the schedule for this afternoon.

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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21984089 - 07/23/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Regardless I'm always going to think "polypore" when I see this physical characteristic.






Polypores are woody, and the hyphae required to make this woody texture look a lot different under the microscope than bolete hyphae.


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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #21989991 - 07/24/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Regardless I'm always going to think "polypore" when I see this physical characteristic.






Polypores are woody, and the hyphae required to make this woody texture look a lot different under the microscope than bolete hyphae.





Yeah, and I understand there are differences in habitat, and genetics, and microscopic differences to the hyphae,and since I can't see distinguishing features of the mycellium such as hyphae without a microscope,and because in place of gills there is a sponge like mass full of tiny holes for spore distribution called "pores", I will  always think of mushrooms with this feature as polypores...though as far as I know boletes and polypores are the two dominant family's which posses this physical characteristic...I suppose I could just call mushrooms with this characteristic "pored musdhrooms" though.

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