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Yogithebear
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Kentucky mushroom ID
#21980236 - 07/22/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey everyone. So just found this mushroom in the middle of Kentucky. It immediately bruised blue. Could anyone give me a positive identification on this. I'm thinking its a cube
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mountainplayer
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This is a bolete of some type. It bears absolutely no resemblance to a cube. You're not the first that has been fooled by a blue bruising bolete, but you should really look at pictures of your target species.
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T-Funkadelic
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These are the actives you want to be looking for in Kentucky Gymnopilus junonius Panaeolus cinctulus Psilocybe caerulipes Psilocybe ovoideocystidiate
Cubensis are not found in Kentucky to my knowledge.
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T-Funkadelic said: Cubensis are not found in Kentucky to my knowledge.
I do believe you can find them in closets in some parts of KY...that's what I heard anyway...
Seriously though OP, this time of year I'd research and hunt for Panaeolus cinctulus, probably your best bet.
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SatanicShroomer
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A cube??????? What even gave you that impression?
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Because he saw the blue bruising and doesn't know any better.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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That's a polypore, polypore mushrooms bruise blue due to an enzymatic process that does not involve psilocybin.
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amilibertine
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It's a Bolete, not a polypore.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Yes it's a Bolete, but it is still a polypore.
Polypore simply means that it does not have gills, it has a sponge like surface for spore distrubutionn
If it doesn't have gills the brie bruising is not from psilocybin.
Lactarius indigo is a filled species that bruises blue due to a compound called 7-Isopropenyl-4-methylazulen-1-yl)methyl stearate.
So blue bruising is only a good indication if the species you found was in the habitat and resembles a known psilocybe.
Fascinating stuff regardless, I love these live forms and their biochemistry.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Sorry about the typo above it was supposed to say blue bruising instead of "brie"
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Damn, and it was supposed to say gilled species not "filled", I know I could edit the post but I'm on a mobile device and this is faster.
Sorry about the sloppy typing.
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T-Funkadelic
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amilibertine said:
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T-Funkadelic said: Cubensis are not found in Kentucky to my knowledge.
I do believe you can find them in closets in some parts of KY...that's what I heard anyway...
Seriously though OP, this time of year I'd research and hunt for Panaeolus cinctulus, probably your best bet.
Yeah, I live in SE VA and from what I've read you can find Cubensis here but I haven't had any luck. I agree, I do find them in my closet about once a month or so here too.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: Yes it's a Bolete, but it is still a polypore.
In the 1700's all boletes were put into the Polyporus genus. In the 1800's they were moved into Boletus. In the past 6 months, most boletes have been kicked out of Boletus and put into their own genera, since they weren't all actually related. For more information on that, see The genus Boletus has been blasted to pieces.
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Lactarius indigo is a filled species that bruises blue due to a compound called 7-Isopropenyl-4-methylazulen-1-yl)methyl stearate.
Cool!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaiazulene
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Fascinating stuff regardless, I love these live forms and their biochemistry.
If you like the chemistry of blue staining mushrooms, you will love this article:
Bluing Components and Other Pigments of Boletes.
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great links!
the next ten years are going to be really interesting as the genetics and more metabolite information gets sorted out. from the .pdf: it is stated that variegatic and xerocomic acids are only present in the order Boletales, so that their isolation from Gomphidius, Omphalotus, Hygrophoropsis, Coniophora, Leucogyrophana, Rhizopogon, and Serpula species is strong evidence for their inclusion in the Boletales.
emphasis mine on the species. wild that they may be related genetically but morphologically so different
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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...I've always called any cataphores lacking gills (possessing a sponge like mass for spore distribution) a polypore...
Is this not proper nomenclature?
or are boletes simply a special case?
Also thank you for the link I'm going to review it now.
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Sad Onion
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Nice cube, mate
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Re: Kentucky mushroom ID [Re: Sad Onion]
#21983865 - 07/23/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think the major difference between the polypores and boletaceae is habitat. Boletaceae typically grow near trees but never directly on them. Most polypores by comparison will usually be found growing directly on wood; i.e. out of stumps, woodchips, living trees, etc. There are likely a few exceptions for each though.
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RuralAnomaly
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alan's point (i think) is that it turns out that what it looks like is less important than what its made of
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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You figure a major physical characteristic like lacking gills in place of a sponge like surface would over-ride habitat in classification, but yeah, I see what you mean.
Regardless I'm always going to think "polypore" when I see this physical characteristic.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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At the same time, this could be seen as a special case, it's been moved between classes over time.
That link " the genus boletus has been blasted to pieces" that was posted earlier was very informitive.
I guess due to different species independently evolving the same features, but being unrelated otherwise is where the issue originated.
Which is fascinating as well, thank you Allen Rockefeller, I have yet to review the "blue bruising" link but it's on the schedule for this afternoon.
-E. Borodin
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