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Bill_Oreilly
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Why i do not trip that much anymore
#21980092 - 07/22/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So yeah...its not like tripping isn't fun anymore or anything like that...its just I always tried to use these chemicals as a teaching tool. It seems as if my mind on psychs knows exactly what my sober self needs to do. I wish at times that I could just trip for fun...but all my trips turn into "OK david...you need to do more of this...more of that...stop doing this so much...quit this habit..." its gotten to the point where I know exactly what I need to do in my life but I just cant seem to bite the bullet and do it. I mean I do it a little bit but I cant make habits out of them.
So really my trips are repetitive because the drugs just keep telling me the same things and refuse to give me the mystical thought-provoking spiritual trips..its like it quit giving me that at one point because it doesn't help me in my real life. the drugs are making me address these things..they are forcing me to grow up. They refuse to let me just enjoy a cool experience.
So now its like I just would rather not go into that headspace because I know the drugs are just going to bitch at me and make me feel even more guilty for not doing the things its told me to do. Its almost as if its saying "ok you don't want to listen to me and get your ass in shape? ok, then I wont give you what you want" which is a cool/enjoyable experience.
Its just so hard to change habits man. Im a lazy fuck, even though I haven't touched weed and have no excuse to be lazy other than me being born with hep C so ive now had it for over 24 years. and hep C's major side-effect is fatigue. Still that's no excuse. for some reason I refuse to eat right, spend more time with family, quit opiates 100%, exercise, and be more of a people-person and just enjoy life. These are all doable things but for some reason im just having a real hard time accomplishing these goals.
people can say "oh well you need a level 5 experience..that will get your ass into shape!" no it wont..these drugs do not change the man, they only show whats needed to be changed. Its up to the person to do the work.
I guess im just a selfish lazy bastard that wants the good stuff about psychs while not wanting to put the work in. But again, its not that simple. I just lack energy big time. Its so hard to change when you hardly have the energy to play with your own son for more than a half hour. Whenever im about to place that acid on my tongue or swallow mushrooms, or hit the DMT, something just makes me stop and think "you know this isn't going to help you, and you know you shouldn't be doing this right now. its not worth dealing with the anxious comeup just to see some stuff you already have for the most part experienced and be told what you need to do for the 100th time" then I just say "forget it" and don't go down the rabit hole.
Its almost as if I need to force myself to do a psych, rather than wanting to do it because its fun and will benefit me.
Thanks for reading guys, I just needed to vent. Much love to all the supportive and open-minded respectful users on here
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Psilosopherr
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21980119 - 07/22/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Same thing has been happening to me too..quite frustrating
"look at it as forced conscious expansion"
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21980144 - 07/22/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dude I know exactly where you're coming from. The only psyche that really motivates me on high doses is LSD but that's just during the afterglow and I only really stay motivated for a day or 2 
One thing I have found that I have consistently changed is my attitude towards others and how I treat them. So instead of saying "oh yea I could get that cash from them" or if I break something of theirs I could say "well I just won't tell them" now I find that I put myself in their situation and think about how I would want to be treated. That's one thing that drives me to take psychedelics is the compassion it shows me for other people.
I use to steal and all that jazz but now I'm making up for it by being a better me and fixing those wrongs that I did one step at a time.
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perhaps micro dosing would be up your alley OP.
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21980222 - 07/22/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What your talking happens to alot of people. Don't beat yourself up about it. I have one friend that used to love shrooming every weekend. His last trip he got obsessed that he really needed to wash his dog in the middle of a cold night.So he was out in the yard with a hose scrubbing the poor thing. The poor dog was just looking at him like what is wrong with you?
Another friend Loved shrooms more then anything. He would mention shrooms in every conversation. Over time they started causing him more and more nausea. by the end he found it very difficult to eat even a couple grams. Also his trips had changed from being about eternal love. His last trip he was obssesed that he had to clean everything. He was in the yard pulling up random plants, feeling bad thinking he was hurting them between repeated trips to the bathroom to try to vomit, failing, just shoving his finger down his throat to get it to stop.
The magic can wear off in a major may. Sometimes it's good to know when to jump ship. The opiates might always be your friend...
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21980369 - 07/22/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you're going too much into the spiritual side of these things
there's a time and place for that but lately I just flat out enjoy being on them.. they make life more fun and enjoyable no matter what you're doing
quit taking it so harshly or stop being a pussy i guess
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: cube talk]
#21980767 - 07/22/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dude, its amazing how I much relate to this.
Reading your post was like listening to my life, in your words.
I probably cant tell you something you dont already know. I like that.
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: cube talk]
#21980804 - 07/22/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have the opposite problem.
I trip with hopes to learn something, to get some greater understanding of life, or some kind of spiritual experience.
And every time, the trip says 'nah man, I'm just gonna give you the most intense euphoric pure bliss you could ever experience, with some nice visuals on top, sit back and have a great ride'
Not complaining I guess, I just don't understand why people bang on about psychedelics being spiritual tools and not recreational fun. I try and use them as spiritual tools and all I get is recreational fun.
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: Trypto-Fan]
#21980840 - 07/22/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey Bill,
I actually stopped reading your post after you said you can't seem to bite the bullet and integrate the psychedelic lessons you get.
I know that feeling. I was at that exact same point in november.
I haven't tripped since and I started to force myself to change some habits. Habits are incredibly rigid motherfuckers. You need to be on top of them constantly. Not easy. It sort of got me to understand how people could see psychs as a shortcut to enlightenment. A cheat code. It doesn't really work that way. They teach, sure. They really do. But we still have to do the fucking work.
At this stage I have had 20 something therapy sessions and I'm finally seeing new habits and patterns emerge. It takes time. I built my old habits in 28 years. They are starting to fade after seven months. Sounds long, but in the grand scheme of things it's worth it.
I'm taking my first trip in seven months this saturday. Let's see how that goes. Are the new patterns really there? Or will the psychs show me the same lessons I have heard so many times and refused to integrate? I'm quite nervous about it. It will also be my first oral DMT experience.
I think psychs are just an incredible map. You still have to walk to your destination though. But hey, that gets easier the more detailed the map gets!
We'll get there.
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: GoldenEye]
#21980852 - 07/22/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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One footnote:
habits = survival mechanisms.
It helps to imprint that they have served their purpose and to thank the habit for its service. Tell it it is no longer needed, but acknowledge that it has served you well for a long time.
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: GoldenEye]
#21980856 - 07/22/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well my friend David has the same problem. He whent kinda insane and started talking to his computer. He didn't even know he was doing it I think research chemicals messed with his head.
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: GoldenEye]
#21980873 - 07/22/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I actually think that the afterglow of psychs make it harder to do the work.
You sort of get all these lessons and then you feel like you've been taught a great deal. The afterglow then makes me complacent and makes it harder to take action.
Especially with LSD. It tends to make me laugh at the question instead of giving me an answer. If you know what I mean.
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: thewanderer25]
#21980884 - 07/22/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The mental changes psychedelics provide are easy to change..
The other psychical things yea.. You have to do work.
So... Go on a walk every day for a week and trip? Or even 2 days.. If you want to experience other levels of bliss, you must be able to clear this off your plate. I think as soon as you clear this off your plate, you can then again enjoy.. OR.. Maybe you need to fix the next thing.
Either way, fuck you.
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: MikeBearPig]
#21980903 - 07/22/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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but is that 50 grams of crumble in your signature? Thats a lot of dabs.
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: thewanderer25]
#21980915 - 07/22/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
thewanderer25 said:
but is that 50 grams of crumble in your signature? Thats a lot of dabs. 
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21901988
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21980941 - 07/22/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Definitely been there too Bill/David.
Its like i have these relevations on psychs about my life and how i should change it for the better, but when i sober up, i forget about them or just plain dont follow thru like i should.
The message is so clear on LSD and shrooms but to do the change is so much more complex and takes a lot of motivation.
I believe that having high motivation will get you far in many aspects of life. Its the mechanism for sucess. Without motivation, nothing gets done, nothing changes
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21980969 - 07/22/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Motivation is not an independent quality.
It is part of something. In some people it is part of compensating for something. It could be part of proving something. It could be part of feelings of injustice...
Probably a lot more.
The point is, you can't just view motivation as something that needs to be acquired in its own right. That's a recipe for disaster.
Viewing it as such will only send you on a massive guilt trip.
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: GoldenEye]
#21981007 - 07/22/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think the only way to fix this is to listen to the psyches... they know best
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: cube talk]
#21981107 - 07/22/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Try mixing different plants with whatever Psyche you decide to use. There's much potential in different plant concoctions and can give one different experiences or more consistent experiences. Different plants do different things.
Try perhaps adding some Lemon Balm to the mix, or taking a low/mild dose of a GABA-A agonist with your Psyche. Also one can try Mapacho Tobacco or an e-cig thing to see what Nicotine's effect on the experience would be, to me Tobacco seems to clear up the headspace, while Cannabis seems to make things deeper.
Also, something i wanna try sometime soon is adding a low to moderate dose of Amanitas with my Ayahuasca, and see if they're compatible with it. I smoked some Rue extract the other day a couple or so hours after eating 7 grams of dried Washington state Amanitas, and man things got REALLY visual, whereas Amanitas aren't really that visual to me, so far, by themselves, and while Rue does have some visual qualities, they aren't anywhere near the visual activity i saw with Amanitas in the mix.
My thing personally is to over time find plants that can work in synergy with Ayahuasca, to provide me with more of a stable, consistent and side-effect free version of Ayahuasca to use as a Life enhancer. Idk if i'll ever achieve that, idk if it's possible, and idk if it's work like i'd hope it would, but Ayahuasca is the perfect medicine for me (i have high functioning Autism/Aspergers) and on it i just feel better and more alive, so if i could make a user-friendly medicine out of it with little to no undesirable effects, i would no doubt see what it would be capable of doing for me in my life.
As for doing the work on oneself, yes one does have to do that, and it is indeed hard to do when sober compared to while on a Psyche, but it is doable, just go at it one day at a time and change things you think need to be changed, make your life better and healthier. I myself am lazy about things too, and while i haven't done as much work on myself as i should've so far, i have definitely done away with some undesirable things about myself or my life.
As long as ones mindset is in the right spot, and other tools or techniques are used during the experience to account for the variables and the factors that go into making the most of the experience that you can, you should be able to experience a wide variety of experiences, it doesn't have to be the same stuff over and over again. Experiment around, add other plants to the mix, even if it's LSD, Shrooms, Mescaline/Cacti or Ayahuasca, and see what all potential the combos are capable of. You might be surprised at what you may find.
On a side-note though, i can relate because i myself have had some issues with getting things to work properly sometimes, and i have had to pump myself up enough to take Ayahuasca compared to back in 2012 when i was all gung-ho about it and really went at it, but these days i'm really wanting to return to Ayahuasca like i did back in 2012, just re-approach it a bit differently than i did back then.
Edited by Sabnock (07/22/15 05:18 PM)
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Re: Why i do not trip that much anymore [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21981131 - 07/22/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think the experiences that show us we're out of balance are good. I don't trip that often either but on a couple I've felt the message that I don't deserve to be tripping and relaxing and distracting myself with entertainment.
A lot of people become focused on a few aspects of their life and neglect the others in self-destructive ways. For me too it's diet, exercise, family relations. It's hard to will up the power to cook or work out or visit someone, even when we know they'd benefit us in the long run.
Idk what I can say to make it easier, but it's okay to ask for help. I have a friend who's an excellent cook, but his vices keep him from applying himself fully too. So we hang out once a week to make healthy food and talk about stuff. I have another friend who's like 240 pounds of muscle, a body builder. Couple times a week we hang out to play baketball and frisbee, then toke and talk. I think we're meant to work together and share each other's strengths and weaknesses.
Still takes a ton of willpower to cook for yourself or workout alone though. Believe in yourself. 
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