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Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed * 2
    #21980085 - 07/22/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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July 22, 2015

By Mac Hackett


A police chief in the North East of England has effectively given weed smokers the go-ahead to grow plants for their own use. Ron Hogg, Durham's Police and Crime Commissioner, says that local cannabis users will only be targeted if they grow for commercial gain or if they smoke it in a "blatant" way.

Hogg said that he hoped to open up the conversation around drug policy in the UK: "We are not prioritizing people who have a small number of cannabis plants for their own use. In low-level cases we say it is better to work with them and put them in a position where they can recover.

"In these cases the most likely way of dealing with them would be with a caution and by taking the plants away and disposing of them," he continued. "It is unlikely that a case like that would be brought before a court.

"Of course it is up to the government to change the law but I am trying to open up a debate about drugs and drugs policy."

The move is a rare ray of light for Britain's drugs reform campaigners, who have spent recent times watching lawmakers worldwide rethink their attitudes to drug use. Meanwhile, the Tory government has only become more anti-getting-fucked-up, using bullshit statistics to introduce a blanket ban on legal highs earlier this year.

"By and large we are saying it is not the top of our list to go out and try to pick up people smoking joints on street corners," said Hogg, who in the past has called for harder drugs like coke and heroin to be made available to addicts on the NHS, "but if it's blatant or we get complaints, officers will act."


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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21980216 - 07/22/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It'll be interesting to watch how this plays out...


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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: misterjingo] * 1
    #21980297 - 07/22/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Officer Hogg, huh?


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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: Achuma] * 1
    #21980304 - 07/22/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Not to be confused with Boss Hogg.....



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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21980587 - 07/22/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Le_Canard said:
Not to be confused with Boss Hogg.....







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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: dark3st]
    #21980695 - 07/22/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am cheering for them, I think this is quite proper.


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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: Atreyu]
    #21980713 - 07/22/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Though still a little dodgy and vague.  Is it plant count or yield? I might want to grow 6 huge plants and they very well could say that's too much and take them away or bring charges up.


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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21981309 - 07/22/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This is awesome!


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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #21982494 - 07/22/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ans a little bit more sense in the world


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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: Atreyu]
    #21983546 - 07/23/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Atreyu said:
Though still a little dodgy and vague.  Is it plant count or yield? I might want to grow 6 huge plants and they very well could say that's too much and take them away or bring charges up.



Don't worry man, it's BASICALLY legal, I'm sure you'll be fine.:rolleyes:


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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21983584 - 07/23/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11753350/Police-force-gives-cannabis-users-green-light-to-grow-drugs.html


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Outlining how the force would now tackle cannabis users, Mr Hogg said anyone caught with the Class B drug, would be given the opportunity to avoid prosecution by signing up to a crime reduction initiative.

He said the programme would allow addicts to receive the help they needed, while allowing people caught with small amounts of the drug to be treated in a “fair and measured” way.




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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #21984420 - 07/23/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/104349

On the way to 100k, then it 'might' be debated.


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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: misterjingo]
    #21987290 - 07/23/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Drugs have been unofficially decriminalised in the UK since the 1990s.


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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: roquet]
    #21987296 - 07/23/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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roquet said:
Drugs have been unofficially decriminalised in the UK since the 1990s.



...and we had a marijuana stamp act..


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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: misterjingo]
    #22143841 - 08/25/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

And the government has finally responded to the cannabis petition which has gained over 200,000 signatures. Their reply is as blunt and negative as always:

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Substantial scientific evidence shows cannabis is a harmful drug that can damage human health. There are no plans to legalise cannabis as it would not address the harm to individuals and communities.

The latest evidence from the independent Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs is that the use of cannabis is a significant public health issue (‘Cannabis Classification and Public Health’, 2008).

Cannabis can unquestionably cause harm to individuals and society. Legalisation of cannabis would not eliminate the crime committed by the illicit trade, nor would it address the harms associated with drug dependence and the misery that this can cause to families.

Legalisation would also send the wrong message to the vast majority of people who do not take drugs, especially young and vulnerable people, with the potential grave risk of increased misuse of drugs.

Despite the potential opportunity offered by legalisation to raise revenue through taxation, there would be costs in relation to administrative, compliance and law enforcement activities, as well as the wider costs of drug prevention and health services.

The UK's approach on drugs remains clear: we must prevent drug use in our communities; help dependent individuals through treatment and wider recovery support; while ensuring law enforcement protects society by stopping the supply and tackling the organised crime that is associated with the drugs trade. The Government will build on the Drugs Strategy by continuing to take a balanced and coherent approach to address the evolving challenges posed.

There are positive signs that the Government’s approach is working: there has been a long term downward trend in drug use over the last decade, and more people are recovering from their dependency now than in 2009/10. The number of adults aged 16-59 using cannabis in the last year in England and Wales has declined over the last decade from 9.6% to 6.7%, with cannabis use amongst young adults aged 16-24 and young people aged 11-15 following a similar pattern.





So no surprise there then.


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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: misterjingo] * 2
    #22144409 - 08/26/15 03:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That statement makes me want to bash my head against a brick wall.


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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22145447 - 08/26/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's almost to be expected, UK is enmeshed in an old school system against the common man, they're all thatchered-out good ole boys who have no other interest but to keep their system in place.



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Re: Part of England Has Basically Just Decriminalized Weed [Re: Atreyu]
    #22211181 - 09/09/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

repost this where and when you can and send to your mps!!

need to get people signing the petition with the government.
as its reached over 200000 now they having a live debate in october.

its a step forward atleast.

that as well a police in north england coming out and saying small growers are off radar so to speak and if they keep to them selves then will be left alone! speaks a certain tone dont you think.

the petition should have millions but knowone knows about it

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/104349/signatures/new

get every uk smoker and supporter you know on it!
for the world cause.:smile:

i have been emailing mps and papers and everywhere that will listen.
if you have the stand up in you do the same!

least if the debate happens we get more reasons from them that we can debunk eventually they will have no ground.

we may take decades of the end goal.

i beg if you want to make a diff cut and paste away and send to your MPS and whoever you can.
lets try kick up a hornets nest....



PLEASE forward this to AS many MPS and even cameron himself if possible.
we need them to know how this affects average joe and how the public really feels.
and what the debate needs to be about!

i sit here this afternoon with a nice cup of tea, wondering what to think ? how to respond? who to say it too?
the government announce they are to debate legalization of cannabis... again...
to us average joes it gives a glimper of hope but we know really it means nothing!
The debate will centre around the wrong issues and with the wrong views and fueled by mis-information that at best is misleading and at worst takes mental gymnastics to work out what and how the selective reasoning reduces common sense to the point stalemate time and time again.

quote from the independant:
The Government’s official response to the petition was negative. It read: “Substantial scientific evidence shows cannabis is a harmful drug that can damage human health. There are no plans to legalise cannabis as it would not address the harm to individuals and communities.”

now lets look at this harm a little bit from average joes point of view and then weigh it all up on your scales...

its true lots of people live in poverty because they use money for cannabis.
its true it effects children involved in those families.
its true that money goes into the blackmarket instead of staying in circulation.. the affects of this go without saying.
black market money funds other illegal operations here and abroad.. again affecting the lower classes of society more often than not but im not going to go into detail on these subjects just touch base with them.
its also true a small percentage of cannabis users will experience difficulties with mental health possibly made worse by cannabis use and in a small percentage of cases from within the group of people who do experience difficulties can say the cannabis triggered the difficulties.

i will not deny the above.
any law around drug use should be about harm reduction and the enforcement of said laws should not be more damaging than the difficulties that they are trying to protect the public from or it makes no sense.

now i will paint a picture for you...
a young man who has a weakness for cannabis.
maybe even is on benefits so has little money.
he is of the lower classes of society and it seen and treated as such.
he dosent contribute to the system only takes.
also he is labeled a criminal.
maybe he has had trouble with the law regarding cannabis.
ultimately he has the label of being an un-desireable.

now lets look deeper...
the man uses cannabis, maybe because he has problems or pain and he finds it helps.
or maybe it just increases his sense of happiness and wellbeing.
after all it shows by the amount of people on anti depressants that generally the affects of the world is hard on the soul and most need help to alleviate this.
its not going to go away. stress management is needed by modern humans for obvious reasons that again i wont go into.
back to average joe...
he looks at his use of cannabis and the harm to the economy, himself, his family ect.
what option has he if he is to continue to use cannabis?
the only conclusion any right minded person would be to grow your own.
it feeds the economy, money is kept in circulation, the blackmarket suffers, money is freed up improving the quality of life for the user and his family.

but on the other hand...
its illegal and seen as worse than going to a dealer in the laws eyes!
nevermind your being responsible, reducing harm to you and others, helping the community by not encouraging dealers, boosting economy with all the soil ,nutrients and other items you now spend money on.
you are punished for taking the moral high ground and refusing to be apart of and feed a corrupt system.
infact punished more than if you was propping up the corrupt system that is the blackmarket by buying from a street dealer!

now lets slip into the twighlight zone for a minute..

now imagine average joe could legally grow weed.
now it would not affect his family or his pocket.
he moves up the social heiracy with new confidence.
he sees all the old dealers fade away into the back ground.
and now he grows and supplys patients with medicine for income that is taxed.
he now is a contributer and is seen as such.
he is a civil servant helping the needy and has position.
he is a productive human and a happy one.

now the big shift here is the legality!
now can you not see in most cases the law and the enforcement of such laws causes more harm than good.
that is unjust and is not fit for purpose.
its causing more of a problem that the substance it claims to be saving people from.
now we are told weed is the biggest problem and hashish was not as bad and we should have stay with that.
now i will put it to you that it is your war on drugs that removed hash from our streets, tbh most i know would prefer good quality hash as it is cheaper.
the drug war 5 or even 10 years ago, after a few high profile busts removed important trade connections with the uk and cut the profitability to risk ratio of hash dealers.
now thousands of people started to grow cannabis to fill the market.
just look at the figures, your figures!
the hash went because of you...
the amount of growers went up to the point we now export from here!
all these number are on your hands.
thats the effects clear on paper of your war on drugs.
you have filled the streets with strong weed.
every action has an equal and opposing reaction and all that.
now if we are to believe the rise in mental health problems is from us smoking weed and not hash that was far safer..
then again its on your hands.
again i urge you to look at the figures and stats your so proud of!
they can tell a different story if you look properly.
you can clearly see the affects and harm caused by the laws and enforcement itself when looked upon from your own position and view point as to why it remains illegal!


now i urge you to look at the world model and you will see
legalization does not increase the levels of mental illness nor does it harm communitys or encourage more teens to use drugs.

now no right minded person can deny the medical application of cannabis. if you do your simply not in touch with the real world.
if cannabis had no history with man and it was discovered in the rainforest today without all the fixed notions about it, it would be hailed as a master achievement in science!
the amount of uses not just medical it is literally gobsmacking and could fuel a whole new business age for so many countries that need it and need it now.

to put it simply average joe wants to be good and on the right side but you dont allow him to!
i will also say the war on drugs is lost, it was lost long ago, that happened right at the time socially we decided without your input that cannabis was here to stay.
we the people will smoke no matter on the legal viewpoint that exists in government at the time.
stop wasting precious resources on fighting a war only you are fighting in.
it really is laughable.
you really have no control over the matter but we are still willing to side with you should you make the right decisions!
it takes real men to do that, to sit and reach common ground and mutual understanding.
so while you twiddle your thumbs arguing over your assumed power we will carry on and do as always,
but when your ready to accept the outcome then we will sit and be real men and sort out the details and even put the power back in your hands.


your rebuttals of late hold no leverage , even in scientific circles to date any trusted resaerch has been in favour of cannabis legalisation and medical application.
the overwhelming concensus is that harm from cannabis is slim to none.
ten potatoes has more toxins that 1g of weed.
cigarettes?
alcohol?
prescription opiates?
deaths from asprin or paracetamol 20p a bottle anywhere?

and imo the potential for abuse is the same as anything...
yes anything!!

sugar, caffiene you name it.
now is the time to grow up.
and the real question the public want to know is are you with us or against us?
the choice is yours
either way the outcome is the same.
now will you work with us to reduce harm from cannabis and also the harm that arises purely because of the legal situation at hand

this is the only debate or questions you need to look at!
do you want to turn these undesirables into productive and contributing members of society and also reduce harm and to provide much needed care for sick members of society and to become a country that is pioneering research in to new medicines with real prospects across the boards?

i say the only other option is madness...
after all isnt just repeating the same thing and expecting a different outcome really just madness.

the sad thing is most expect the government wont legalise until they find a way to profit from it like cigs and alcohol.
if it turns out to be the case in the end ... shame on you

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