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Bill_Oreilly
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when to use heat bath for DMT extraction?
#21979354 - 07/22/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Title says it all basically. Exactly at which point do you use the heat bath? During the adding of the lye? Or when adding the naptha for your pulling?
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21979375 - 07/22/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It should still be warm from the boils when you add the lye and should be kept that way through the entire process.
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: SpaceWaste]
#21979397 - 07/22/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gotcha..so right after i mix the lye in put it in the heat bath. Should the water in the bath be at a simmer? Or is that too hot
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21979412 - 07/22/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you cant hold the container to shake it then its to hot so no don't simmer but it should be kept close to the point of being to hot to hold
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21979415 - 07/22/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use a heat bath during the acid bath and after I add the lye. I try to keep the temp below 140F, otherwise more of the plant fats will get into the finished product (even with a mini a/b). Then when I do my naptha pulls, I wait until the lye solution is at room temp and using HOT naptha (damn near boiling). Increasing the temperature increases the solubility of the solutes.
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: daytripper05]
#21979423 - 07/22/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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How do you heat your naptha?
And can i just start pulling or is it really important for the lye mix to cool to room temperature?
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21979465 - 07/22/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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you can water bath your naptha as well and your likely to get fats regardless just re-x to clean it up I don't wait for it to cool but to each his own
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21979531 - 07/22/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'v read that by lowing the temp of the lye solution to room temp makes the DMT want to crash out easier. Then when it gets hit with the hot Naptha, it makes the DMT want to jump out of the lye and into the naptha quicker/more efficiently. By heating the naptha (non-polar layer) you are increasing the solubility of the solute (the DMT), and by cooling the lye (polar layer) it has the opposite effect (decreases the solubility of the DMT). Anyway... that's my logical reasoning for doing it.
I heat my naptha with my hotplate magnetic stirrer to be safe. A double boiler or water bath would work on an electric stove though, just don't use a gas stove or any flames.
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: daytripper05]
#21979625 - 07/22/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If your pouring hot naptha into the soup are you not technically heating the soup? Seems kind of redundant, if you heat the soup with the naptha together you skip a step and heat one less container and effectively get the same outcome. You can also salt your soup to further polarize driving more spice into the nonpolar naptha. However I am no master of extraction and the fine people at the Nexus would surely have the answers your looking for. Good luck and be safe.
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: SpaceWaste]
#21979667 - 07/22/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I salt my soup as well. And well the temperature does equalize pretty quickly, but from what I read (on Nexus) that this tends to increase your efficiency in each pull. I am pulling a solid 2% from my bark, so I know the process works. I do know for sure though, that more heat is no always better unless you really want to pull the fats out of the bark. 140F seems to be the sweet spot.
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: daytripper05]
#21979680 - 07/22/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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When u saay "salt" your soup, do u use table salt (sodium chloride)?
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21979688 - 07/22/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No use rocksalt like you would to make ice cream table salt is iodized which is something you don't want in your spice
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21979695 - 07/22/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Non-iodized salt.
so yeah
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21979707 - 07/22/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gotcha, thanks guys.
So u add the road salt right before pouring naptha into the soup?
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21979790 - 07/22/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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First is the acid phase, then the salt phase, then the defat step, then the lye step, then the pulling.
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21979910 - 07/22/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guess maybe we should establish if your using mhrb or acrb for this extraction then maybe I could recommend a specific tek
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: SpaceWaste]
#21979987 - 07/22/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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most of the time people work with ACRB nowadays
hey daytipper..does your DMT come out really fluffy or more condensed? Does 1 weighed out gram look bigger than say, a weighed out gram of cocaine or any other powder? Mine does(haven't used a heat bath yet) and im really trying to get denser crystals so me and others don't need to smoke piles of product for a breakthrough. 50mg of my crystals honestly looks like a .3
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21980029 - 07/22/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not that you asked me but yeah huge fluff and if your worried about volume needed just make changa its the answer regardless of the question
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: SpaceWaste]
#21980062 - 07/22/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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^^ I don't understand what you mean by that...are you saying you get fluffy crystals as well? do you know if heat baths will fix this?
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21980125 - 07/22/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I always use a heat bath and with acrb I follow thick-lights tek and always end up with huge fluffy crystals but if you make changa with your spice it should solve your problem of volume needed to enter hyperspace plus its more pleasant to smoke
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: SpaceWaste]
#21980918 - 07/22/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do all the steps as you would normally, but then heat the naphtha and your vessel before doing the pull.
You could heat them together if it's a small amount and doesn't take long, but I especially like using heat on large amounts of material that has been compiled from individually exhausted extractions. On large batches like that, you'd want to heat them separately because the bark mix is going to take a lot longer to heat up than ~500ml of solvent.
Also solvents evaporate easily so make sure you heat it in a jar and use ventilation and a good mask that painters would use when working with solvents. Prime extraction temp is around 140F and naphtha is going to pretty much be half gas at that point. Without good ventilation your entire building will be able to smell it after just 5 minutes of mixing at that temp. Use gloves too, the fumes can coat your skin and irritate it. Obviously keep sparks and flame away from the area. And any open food/water, pet food/water should be out of the area as the fumes will cool and re-settle into them -gross.
I bring a couple of snakeplants into my work area during the hot extractions. They are natural air purifiers and are especially good at trapping volatile organic compounds like the solvent fumes.
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Icon]
#21981256 - 07/22/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Add naphtha/heptane to lye-solution and then place the container in warm water (around 50c if possible). Let it sit for 5-10min and then grab and shake it well (yes you can shake the hell out of it if you have enough lye). Repeat the heatbath aroud 5 times.
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: qweqaz]
#21981304 - 07/22/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I find this guide to be really good: Only change I have done compared to him is to add more lye to easier have the layers separate, if you have too little lye you will get a lot of emulsion. And as he say in the video, you will get out more material from shaking it rather than just being careful by swirl it around.
For your information fastforward to 5min 24sec
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: qweqaz]
#21981962 - 07/22/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Besides making change...nobody knows how I can solve my issue with getting extremely fluffy crystals?
I just want regular dmt crystals that you would by from the darknet or something....this light fluffy stuff is getting very annoying..
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21982275 - 07/22/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The best way to get bigger crystals is to extend the amount of time it takes your solvent to get to freezing temps during the precip.
You can do this by putting your tray in the freezer for an hour, then take it out for 20 minutes, then put it back in for an hour, and so on and so forth till it is at freezing temps. At that point just leave it the freezer to finish it's precip.
The longer it takes to get to freezing temps, the bigger your crystals will be. You could also evap a little of your naptha before you freeze precip to super saturate it, then do the method I describe above. You'll get some fat lotus crystals
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: natedawgnow]
#21983135 - 07/23/15 04:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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^^ couldn't I just put it in the fridge rather than having to take it out and put it back in every 20 minutes? Or is achieving a freezing temp required?
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21983536 - 07/23/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: hey daytipper..does your DMT come out really fluffy or more condensed? Does 1 weighed out gram look bigger than say, a weighed out gram of cocaine or any other powder? Mine does(haven't used a heat bath yet) and im really trying to get denser crystals so me and others don't need to smoke piles of product for a breakthrough. 50mg of my crystals honestly looks like a .3 
My stuff is currently the white fluffy snow variety. I can still blast off with a 10-20mg with a dab rig. I am working on a technique to use in my house to grow nice dense/large DMT crystals, similar to MDMA shards or something. Still a work in progress and my last batch came out oily and ran out of time so I couldn't do a proper re-x.
Next batch of DMT I extract I am not even going to consume it. Rather its explicit purpose will be to learn how to grown some dense crystals.
I can tell you though, that I am going to be aquiring some Hexane for my re-x. The naptha just won't cut it for growing crystals since DMT is mostly soluble in naptha at room temp.
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: daytripper05]
#21983819 - 07/23/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ah, ok.
Please, sir, if you find a technique to get your crystals nice and dense, please fill me in. This is so frustrating.
I tell people "aw man I got DMT ill let you try some" and then they end up thinking its whack because they cant smoke it all for different reasons.
but im curious...is there a specific reason why you want more dense crystals if you can successfully blast off with just 20 or so milligrams?
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21983942 - 07/23/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am an engineer by trade and a perfectionist. For me, I just want to be able to inherently do whatever it is I set my mind to doing. Extracting DMT has been great and I have learned a ton. But it's just a little dissappointing in the sense that my DMT crystals are tiny, fragile, and feel like soap shavings more than crystals. For me growing large dense pure crystal is really for novelty, fun, and just to prove to myself that I can do it.
It's not a quick process from what I read. I read it can take days to weeks to properly grow big dense crystals. But indeed, if I can come up with an easy to follow tek I will be sure to post it.
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: daytripper05]
#21984061 - 07/23/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you so much 
and good luck to you my friend
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21984067 - 07/23/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wonder If theres anyway to make the fluffy crystals themselves any denser.
I once folded about 200mg in a torn off piece of a paper bag, and after a couple of days, the dmt stuck to the paper, and when I scraped it, I got a less amount than what I started, but it weighed pretty much the 200mg

unfortunately I gave that sample to a friend who ended up "losing it" which he probably took a hit and flushed the rest
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21984103 - 07/23/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: I wonder If theres anyway to make the fluffy crystals themselves any denser.
I once folded about 200mg in a torn off piece of a paper bag, and after a couple of days, the dmt stuck to the paper, and when I scraped it, I got a less amount than what I started, but it weighed pretty much the 200mg

unfortunately I gave that sample to a friend who ended up "losing it" which he probably took a hit and flushed the rest 
You didn't make true crystals. You have to re-x the first precipitate to get solid stable shiny xtals. It takes a day or two to show the real stability of your product anyway, there was impurities in the stuff on the bag and they weren't fully stable.
To answer your question tho just put your "crystals" in a glass vial or something like that cap it and shake it around it'll break it up and condense. Or use a toothpick dabber etc something with a poker end and smash them up. If you usually store in a glass vial you'll notice the age of the layers b/c the bottom will be compact and the top will be fluff if you don't mix them
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21984116 - 07/23/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So I made a couple grams of DMT and traded it for some medical bud. I made some nice looking crystal, but was a little oily (used too much heat) and he needed the crystal for a festival. So I couldn't re-x it, so I sent a bunch of crystal up to him and by the time I got there it had melted into a clear goo. The goo is much more dense the crystal.
If it were me, and I the fluffy crystals didn't do enough, I would melt the crystals down into a clear goo. You could let this solidify again and try to make it into a ball or something. Or just let it melt into a silicon dab container (works perfectly). Seriously though, the easiest way to blast off is with a dab rig. The goo is more dense and I find it easier to blast off.
With the fluffy crystals, in order to hit 20mg I have to take 2-3 rips with as much crystal on my dab stick as possible. The goo sticks to the stick better, and you can literally smash a giant glob on the nail and just rip it for as long as you can inhale. It's great, highly recommended.
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: daytripper05]
#21984809 - 07/23/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: My stuff is currently the white fluffy snow variety. I can still blast off with a 10-20mg with a dab rig. I am working on a technique to use in my house to grow nice dense/large DMT crystals, similar to MDMA shards or something. Still a work in progress and my last batch came out oily and ran out of time so I couldn't do a proper re-x.
Next batch of DMT I extract I am not even going to consume it. Rather its explicit purpose will be to learn how to grown some dense crystals.
I can tell you though, that I am going to be aquiring some Hexane for my re-x. The naptha just won't cut it for growing crystals since DMT is mostly soluble in naptha at room temp.
Good luck! I've always wanted to achieve those geometric gemstone-like DMT crystals. When I was looking into it, I remember vibration and pressure being two more factors besides the solvent for growing larger. No vibration so the crystal structures are not disturbed, and my theory is pressure influences the shape or density.
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21991298 - 07/24/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i left dmt pulled naptha in a jar and let it sit closed for about 3 weeks. When I looked in the jar I had these huge quartz like crystals. strained the naptha through a mesh screen to collect the dmt. Best blast off I've had to date.
ps. I hate the fluff too
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: JohnnieYen]
#21991370 - 07/24/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Try to keep around 120-130 farenheit IME.
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Re: when to use heat bath for DMT extraction? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21994500 - 07/25/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Reaching freezing temps is not necessary for precipitation. If its let out at room temp for a couple weeks,the crystal will Naturally fall out of the solution.
Precip is so you can do it in 24 hours Instead of 2 weeks. If you want bigger crystals with the precip, It's all about extending the amount of time it takes to get to temps.
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