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successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) 1
#21979325 - 07/22/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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here's my sick tek on rooting Psychotria plants.
step one: take a leaf from a well established Psychotria plant, the leaf you want is big, healthy, and dark green and kind of stiff
step two: snap the leaf along the 'spine' downside up. each place you do this there will be roots hanging down in several weeks time.
step 3: be sure to change the water out so microbes dont build up and attack your organism
step 4: wait
step 5: your finished leaf should look something like this ---

next, you take your rooted leaf and dig a hole in some potting soil and leaf the top part of the leaf above soil to breathe and what not.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404]
#21979605 - 07/22/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice dude about how long does it take to get a mature plant from a leaf cutting?
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: CaleaGardener]
#21979659 - 07/22/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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not sure, i'd say several months or more. working on that bit now!
so starting from today, we shall see how long this process takes. mind you this photo was taken today and the leaf was taken and placed in water roughly 3 weeks ago.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404]
#21980477 - 07/22/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Awesome, looks so simple. Gonna have to get myself a Viridis! Thanks for the tek.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: Icon] 1
#21981335 - 07/22/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lookin good. I put mine straight in the soil after snapping the veins and just made sure to keep the soil damp. 
They take a while to get little babies - couple months, like 404 said. Once they get a few leaves, you can repot them into their own pots, many times you will get more than one plant per leaf.
They take a while to get to where they are growing fast, but once they get 8-10 inches tall, they start growing a good bit faster.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: cowsRmeat]
#21983423 - 07/23/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats neat.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
#21986589 - 07/23/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have a question if you don't mind.
I'm working with some fresh alba leaves atm thanks to an awesome friend of mine.
I followed your process as best as I could understand it by snapping a few leaves along the veil lines as you said. I just kind of barely snapped them enough to allow the vein to lift up and show the white "water" string in the center.
I was wondering if anyone had a pic of the container they place their leaves into to root along with the amount of water you use to do so.
Do I need to completely submerge the leaves into the water or allow them to float on top so they have some air?
Sorry for the stupid questions it's just my first time working with this type of plant
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: spaceman101]
#21986654 - 07/23/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i just used a basic drinking glass. a wider one is better than a longer one, but doesnt matter as long as you leave the stem down and end of the leaf up out of the water.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404]
#21986963 - 07/23/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh ok I got ya now thanks buddy
I was thinking wo fill a wide container with a lil water and lay the leaves flat down packing 1 leaf on top of the other
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: spaceman101]
#22001012 - 07/26/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here is a pic of mine. Like I said earlier though, I just went straight to soil. It was actually kinda sandy soil I just had laying around. All I did after that was just never let the soil dry out.
404, not trying to step on your toes or go against your tek or anything. I'm just sharing my personal experience...
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: cowsRmeat]
#22001138 - 07/26/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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no offense taken bud you can totally go straight to soil.
ps, is that viridis?
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404]
#22001206 - 07/26/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I bought it as viridis, but like most sold as viridis, I think it is actually alba.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404]
#22001683 - 07/26/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, the difference is in the flowers and the flatter leaves in viridis right? those look a little wavy
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404] 2
#22004949 - 07/27/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also, apparently you should be able to get an idea from the veins as well as the edges of the leaf. Another tell is how far the leaf extends down the stem.
Alba appears to alternate it's veins more than viridis. But I have been told that this is a less reliable way to tell the plants apart than the next two characteristics.
Alba leaves are wavier than viridis.
Viridis leaves extend all the way down the stem while alba tend to narrow out before the end of the stem.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: cowsRmeat]
#22104605 - 08/17/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have about 8 or 9 rooted alba leaves still soaking in water. Does anyone know how I should plant these? Like should I plant the stem down with the tip of the leaf poking up out of the soil or should I root them sideways somehow?
How does a new stalk grow without a node?
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: spaceman101]
#22104611 - 08/17/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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stem down in the dirt. the roots will grow downward
BTW, my rootings were successful, but i gave away my rooted leaves to some friends.
honestly, you can even cut the leaf up and root it that way... it makes things a bit more difficult, but it is possible.
but yeah, just put the leaf stem down in the dirt with the end sticking up towards the sky.
you should post pics of your leafs
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404] 2
#22104772 - 08/17/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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you should post pics of your leafs 
Ok here they are at this moment. I'm thinking about leaving them in the water for another 4 or 5 days in hopes the roots grow larger. a couple of the leaves only have 1 or 2 small roots.

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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: spaceman101]
#22104837 - 08/17/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You should put them into soil. The roots need to establish before a shoot will form and rise. This takes time to happen, getting them in soil will promote better root growth then being in water, which seems to stall root growth after some time.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: karode13]
#22104865 - 08/17/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh ok I'll pot them up in some soil tomorrow then.
Does anyone know the difference between viridis and alba strength wise, like number of leaves used Vs the other? I don't plan to use them "well at least any time soon" but I just kind of wanted to know for future reference.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: spaceman101]
#22104999 - 08/18/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Viridis leaves have more erm, veins, the lines that go out to the side. Alba leaves have waves on the edges typically. Looks like those are from alba and are ready to go!
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404]
#22105006 - 08/18/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ah strength wise. I am pretty sure albas are less potent than viridis.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404]
#22107469 - 08/18/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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From what I read the albas are non-active I have ordered viridis seedlings and struggle to get them growing is there special soil used with viridis little sun or lots?
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: fatal222316]
#22107512 - 08/18/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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afaik they are both plants native to the rainforests of south america. you shouldn't have to use different soils or even special soils really with either of them.
for my alba, i use a mix of Happy Frog from FoxFarms and their Ocean Forest mix as well together. it works GREAT!
i will note as well, i live in a tropical environment and they get a lot of sun. it's very hot and humid during the summer and the plants tolerate the heat pretty well. i have noticeds that the edges of the leaves do curl slightly, but overall the plant is pretty tolerant and withstands a lot. however, with the excess heat, the rain is sometimes not enough. for the past month i have found myself watering on days it didn't rain, and even adding a little extra even when it did. they love water, they are rainforest plants afterall right? someone correct me if i am mistaken.
oh, i see you are in the region i am, they will do fine man
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404]
#22107810 - 08/18/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok well I planted a few with the larger roots in a large pot filled with a 50/50 mixture of compost manure and sta-green potting mix.
There should be a lot of nutrients in this soil so I'm hoping for the best. ATM they're in my sink soaking in some warm water so when they've soaked up all they can where should I put them? Ween them to full sun over the period of a week or so or are they one of those plants that can really just go straight into direct sun?
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From what I read the albas are non-active
Where did you find this info? I really wanna get my hands on some viridis but atm I have alba thanks to a good friend. I'm pretty sure they're active to some degree just not nearly as active as viridis.
Do you have a link to this information?
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: spaceman101]
#22107856 - 08/18/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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my tree is out on my deck in full view of the sun. it might be better to get some shade though.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: spaceman101]
#22112284 - 08/19/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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spaceman101 said:I'm pretty sure they're active to some degree just not nearly as active as viridis.
This is the impression I am under as well.
Plant them if you already haven't. Stick em in the dirt with the tip of the leaf pointing up and out of the dirt.
Here's mine when I did em way back when.

And this is after I separated the little babies

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Most plants can't do it, and I don't know the sciency details, but a few plants are just able to do it... You can also do this with African Violet plants, easy peasy. What you are gonna see is all those places where roots are popping out, you eventually see little babies pop up out of the soil. After they are big enough, you just dig everything up and there is a little baby plant with leaves, stalk, and roots and they will only be connected by maybe one little piece of shared root between the plantlet and the leaf... Just pull it off and plant the baby by itself.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: cowsRmeat]
#22112556 - 08/19/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Awesome thanks cRm
You've been a very helpful friend since you logged on
Thank you for everything buddy
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: spaceman101]
#22112604 - 08/19/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: cowsRmeat]
#22113059 - 08/19/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pretty sure I have read Alba is just fairly less potent than Viridis. Still pretty active though I believe.
This thread made me realize the listing for fresh viridis leaves on ebay I was eying was alba, so I found one for real viridis I will get soon.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: musiclover420]
#23085336 - 04/05/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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UPDATE!
Here is one of my Albas that grew from leafs. Many of the clones i made in the OP i gave away.

This little clone seems to be much healthier than the mother. There is also no ant colony in the root system that continuously farms scale on the upper canopy.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404]
#23085496 - 04/05/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Woohoo! good job man!
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: Icon]
#23085865 - 04/05/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for bumping this! I just ordered 5 fresh alba leaves with a red caapi plant off eBay.
Been meaning to do more research as I have failed rooting leaves before.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: musiclover420]
#23087940 - 04/05/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've got shit tons of Alba plants at this point so I expect you to have all you want here soon when you get those leaves.
Alba is considered weak and I have no potency info on it but I would figure Viridis is where it's at.
I need to get my hands on a couple of viridis leaves here soon
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Alba is considered weak and I have no potency info on it but I would figure Viridis is where it's at.
Weaker, but still active, it grows faster than viridis too from what I have heard.
Its been awhile since I read up on the subject much but I think alba is still pretty active just not as potent as viridis.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: spaceman101]
#23088054 - 04/05/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have looked myself, but found very little on where to procure fresh leaves for cloning. Reportedly, the leaves are best used fresh as the alkaloids quickly break down or something after a 24 hour period. The alkaloid content is supposedly higher as well when harvested in the morning.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: musiclover420]
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spaceman101 said: I need to get my hands on a couple of viridis leaves here soon 
Be sure to let me know if you find some. All my searches end up giving me Alba...
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Try not to make it too complicated... I got all my psychotrias started from leaves that came through the mail.
My normal approach is to cut the leaves in half (across the leaf, not with the vein), break the main vein in a few places by folding the leaf gently (again, folding across the leaf), then jab it in the dirt. I make sure to keep all the breaks of the main vein under the soil level. Then (and possibly most importantly), don't let the soil dry completely. Usually, it takes a while before you see the little babies showing up from the underside of the leaf, I've seen them taking many weeks to show before.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: cowsRmeat]
#23111808 - 04/12/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's not hard, either way works, the leaves do pretty much all the work as described in the OP
I should note, that so far ALBA and VIRIDIS i have seen planted this way or in water first, doesn't matter... however, P. NERVOSA doesn't want to play ball and root.... I am starting to think that the leaves i collected were far too young to have the right amount of growth Auxins, or that this particualr species does not root well from leaves. will have to collect more specimens to find out.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404]
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I have also wondered whether the potency of alba fairs even slightly close to that of viridis. A google search will show you that there have been instances of activity when the alkaloids were looked at, even as much as viridis, and instances of no activity at all. Whether or not this is a cut and dry case of misidentification will remain a mystery until someone else does it, or documents an extraction of alba, or something. I want to experiment with alba just to see if i can get it to grow well in zone 6. If it goes well I might see about getting Psychotria Nexus. I hope to have these answers in due time haha..
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