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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404]
#22105006 - 08/18/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ah strength wise. I am pretty sure albas are less potent than viridis.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404]
#22107469 - 08/18/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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From what I read the albas are non-active I have ordered viridis seedlings and struggle to get them growing is there special soil used with viridis little sun or lots?
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: fatal222316]
#22107512 - 08/18/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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afaik they are both plants native to the rainforests of south america. you shouldn't have to use different soils or even special soils really with either of them.
for my alba, i use a mix of Happy Frog from FoxFarms and their Ocean Forest mix as well together. it works GREAT!
i will note as well, i live in a tropical environment and they get a lot of sun. it's very hot and humid during the summer and the plants tolerate the heat pretty well. i have noticeds that the edges of the leaves do curl slightly, but overall the plant is pretty tolerant and withstands a lot. however, with the excess heat, the rain is sometimes not enough. for the past month i have found myself watering on days it didn't rain, and even adding a little extra even when it did. they love water, they are rainforest plants afterall right? someone correct me if i am mistaken.
oh, i see you are in the region i am, they will do fine man
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404]
#22107810 - 08/18/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok well I planted a few with the larger roots in a large pot filled with a 50/50 mixture of compost manure and sta-green potting mix.
There should be a lot of nutrients in this soil so I'm hoping for the best. ATM they're in my sink soaking in some warm water so when they've soaked up all they can where should I put them? Ween them to full sun over the period of a week or so or are they one of those plants that can really just go straight into direct sun?
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From what I read the albas are non-active
Where did you find this info? I really wanna get my hands on some viridis but atm I have alba thanks to a good friend. I'm pretty sure they're active to some degree just not nearly as active as viridis.
Do you have a link to this information?
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: spaceman101]
#22107856 - 08/18/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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my tree is out on my deck in full view of the sun. it might be better to get some shade though.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: spaceman101]
#22112284 - 08/19/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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spaceman101 said:I'm pretty sure they're active to some degree just not nearly as active as viridis.
This is the impression I am under as well.
Plant them if you already haven't. Stick em in the dirt with the tip of the leaf pointing up and out of the dirt.
Here's mine when I did em way back when.

And this is after I separated the little babies

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spaceman101 said: How does a new stalk grow without a node?
Most plants can't do it, and I don't know the sciency details, but a few plants are just able to do it... You can also do this with African Violet plants, easy peasy. What you are gonna see is all those places where roots are popping out, you eventually see little babies pop up out of the soil. After they are big enough, you just dig everything up and there is a little baby plant with leaves, stalk, and roots and they will only be connected by maybe one little piece of shared root between the plantlet and the leaf... Just pull it off and plant the baby by itself.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: cowsRmeat]
#22112556 - 08/19/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Awesome thanks cRm
You've been a very helpful friend since you logged on
Thank you for everything buddy
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: spaceman101]
#22112604 - 08/19/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: cowsRmeat]
#22113059 - 08/19/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pretty sure I have read Alba is just fairly less potent than Viridis. Still pretty active though I believe.
This thread made me realize the listing for fresh viridis leaves on ebay I was eying was alba, so I found one for real viridis I will get soon.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: musiclover420]
#23085336 - 04/05/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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UPDATE!
Here is one of my Albas that grew from leafs. Many of the clones i made in the OP i gave away.

This little clone seems to be much healthier than the mother. There is also no ant colony in the root system that continuously farms scale on the upper canopy.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404]
#23085496 - 04/05/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Woohoo! good job man!
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: Icon]
#23085865 - 04/05/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for bumping this! I just ordered 5 fresh alba leaves with a red caapi plant off eBay.
Been meaning to do more research as I have failed rooting leaves before.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: musiclover420]
#23087940 - 04/05/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've got shit tons of Alba plants at this point so I expect you to have all you want here soon when you get those leaves.
Alba is considered weak and I have no potency info on it but I would figure Viridis is where it's at.
I need to get my hands on a couple of viridis leaves here soon
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: spaceman101] 1
#23088043 - 04/05/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alba is considered weak and I have no potency info on it but I would figure Viridis is where it's at.
Weaker, but still active, it grows faster than viridis too from what I have heard.
Its been awhile since I read up on the subject much but I think alba is still pretty active just not as potent as viridis.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: spaceman101]
#23088054 - 04/05/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have looked myself, but found very little on where to procure fresh leaves for cloning. Reportedly, the leaves are best used fresh as the alkaloids quickly break down or something after a 24 hour period. The alkaloid content is supposedly higher as well when harvested in the morning.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: musiclover420]
#23111141 - 04/12/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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spaceman101 said: I need to get my hands on a couple of viridis leaves here soon 
Be sure to let me know if you find some. All my searches end up giving me Alba...
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musiclover420 said: Been meaning to do more research as I have failed rooting leaves before.
Try not to make it too complicated... I got all my psychotrias started from leaves that came through the mail.
My normal approach is to cut the leaves in half (across the leaf, not with the vein), break the main vein in a few places by folding the leaf gently (again, folding across the leaf), then jab it in the dirt. I make sure to keep all the breaks of the main vein under the soil level. Then (and possibly most importantly), don't let the soil dry completely. Usually, it takes a while before you see the little babies showing up from the underside of the leaf, I've seen them taking many weeks to show before.
Good luck
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: cowsRmeat]
#23111808 - 04/12/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's not hard, either way works, the leaves do pretty much all the work as described in the OP
I should note, that so far ALBA and VIRIDIS i have seen planted this way or in water first, doesn't matter... however, P. NERVOSA doesn't want to play ball and root.... I am starting to think that the leaves i collected were far too young to have the right amount of growth Auxins, or that this particualr species does not root well from leaves. will have to collect more specimens to find out.
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Re: successful rooting of Psychotria leaves (easy pz) [Re: 404]
#23138412 - 04/20/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have also wondered whether the potency of alba fairs even slightly close to that of viridis. A google search will show you that there have been instances of activity when the alkaloids were looked at, even as much as viridis, and instances of no activity at all. Whether or not this is a cut and dry case of misidentification will remain a mystery until someone else does it, or documents an extraction of alba, or something. I want to experiment with alba just to see if i can get it to grow well in zone 6. If it goes well I might see about getting Psychotria Nexus. I hope to have these answers in due time haha..
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