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Machiavelliavore
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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Ryar10241]
#22035929 - 08/02/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I doubt that the fungi really benefit from alpha/beta/gamma/neutron radiation, nor do they have the ability to exhert any subatomic influence on decay rates. They may be able to metabolize commonly radioactive elements. This to me sounds more like redistribution than "cleanup." Perhaps the heat produced by some intensely radioactive elements does help the exothermic organism increase its metabolic rate.
Like the idea of mutating for fun though.
Also, #YellowCAKE.... lol!
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
Edited by Machiavelliavore (08/02/15 11:35 PM)
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Toadstool5
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Just a thought - is it possible that it could mutate into something sinister such as making the psychedelic compound into a poison and or change it to make it into a different compound o_O.
I dont honestly know 
If the enzymes responsible for the secondary metabolites were tweaked hard enough without somehow destabilizing then maybe. Say the enzyme for 4-hydroxylation was unable to be produced from damage to the DNA either caused by a dimer induced gap or a nonfunctioning genome shredded by ionization, then perhaps it would be possible to have N,N-DMT since phosphorylation probably wouldnt occur without the hydroxy functional group to react with. 
It could effect secondary metabolites to make millions of different compounds but more than likely it would be unstable before that significant of a change to the DNA could manifest.
I would think you have a better chance at winning the lottery 20 times.
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Chk
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Imo there is some misunderstanding here, because of the mushroom discovered at Chernobyl.
Those specific mushrooms derive energy from gamma radiation, and obviously can't use "radioactive waste" like some people seem to imply.
Really not the same thing !
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Chk]
#22036484 - 08/03/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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99.999% of the mutations you could or would induse would be fatal or hindering. Most of them would be dumb things too. Once In a lifetime you might get a good change
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nooneman


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Ryar10241]
#22036512 - 08/03/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This claim is so ridiculous and such a bad understanding of fungi that I'm tempted to not even address the main claim other than to say that "mushrooms" are not a single species. Just because some fungi somewhere can survive or thrive in certain conditions doesn't mean that all mushrooms everywhere can. That would be like saying that all mushrooms are native to everywhere.
It would also be an extremely bad idea to put a radioactive material in physical contact with mycelium whose mushrooms you later intend to eat. Mushrooms like Cubensis leach heavy metals from their environment.
You will end up eating the radioactive material in significant quantities.
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Dr.Satan
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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: nooneman]
#22036521 - 08/03/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You will end up eating the radioactive material in significant quantities.
That's exactly what I thought when I first read OP. I was like wait he plans to eat mushrooms that have been feeding off of radioactive material?? Bottom line would be if he eats them there would be serious health risks and if he doesn't eat them then there would be no point
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: nooneman]
#22036522 - 08/03/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You would have a way easier time using a chemical mutagen to induce changes anyway.
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Toadstool5
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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: bodhisatta]
#22036901 - 08/03/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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99.999% of the mutations you could or would induse would be fatal or hindering. Most of them would be dumb things too
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You would have a way easier time using a chemical mutagen to induce changes anyway.

Seriously, nitrous acid or a UV germicidal lamp would be cheaper and easier to apply, but not as much fun as the yellowcake 
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Ryar10241
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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Toadstool5]
#22038086 - 08/03/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I do not plan on eating them at all. The purpose of the experiment is to see what happens.
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Ryar10241
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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Toadstool5]
#22038092 - 08/03/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Toadstool5 said:
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Just a thought - is it possible that it could mutate into something sinister such as making the psychedelic compound into a poison and or change it to make it into a different compound o_O.
I dont honestly know 
If the enzymes responsible for the secondary metabolites were tweaked hard enough without somehow destabilizing then maybe. Say the enzyme for 4-hydroxylation was unable to be produced from damage to the DNA either caused by a dimer induced gap or a nonfunctioning genome shredded by ionization, then perhaps it would be possible to have N,N-DMT since phosphorylation probably wouldnt occur without the hydroxy functional group to react with. 
It could effect secondary metabolites to make millions of different compounds but more than likely it would be unstable before that significant of a change to the DNA could manifest.
I would think you have a better chance at winning the lottery 20 times.
I think the odds are somewhere in winning the powerball :P.... twice in a row lol.
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