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OfflineRyar10241
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Radiation for growth, mutations.
    #21978792 - 07/22/15 02:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So I was doing some research and read that mushrooms can feed off of radiation and it can be beneficial them... But that being so, I suppose then it could also mutate them, make freaks; for the better or worse. So that brings me my question. What would you think would happen if you say you place lets say 1 gram of radioactive material in a cake? High as shit, deep in thought haha.


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Ryar10241]
    #21978795 - 07/22/15 03:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting question. There are certain species of fungi that actually can thrive off of radioactive waste, and is currently in chernobyl, cleaning it up as we speak. However I'm not sure about the effects on cubes. Don't think there's anyone dumb enough to find out haha


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Mad Season]
    #21978798 - 07/22/15 03:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, thats what I was reading. Maybe SWIM will try this with the right equipment obviously.


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Ryar10241]
    #21978929 - 07/22/15 04:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

remember that mushrooms will absorb that radiation and become radioactive themselves, so if you're planning on eating them i'd say it's a bad idea.

however im high as well and i think if you're gonna experiment, do it to one of those glow in the dark mushrooms and see if there's an effect.


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Tweakz]
    #21978983 - 07/22/15 05:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The only thing I hate more than the phrase "SWIM" are the people that honestly believe others don't think you're talking about yourself when using it.


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Buck513]
    #21979023 - 07/22/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Your honor it clearly states that i said 'SWIM'.

"Charges dropped, Case dismissed".


yeah i really don't get the swim thing either.


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Tweakz]
    #21979048 - 07/22/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Drop the SWIM and your life here will be much easier  :jah:

Such a simple thing.


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21980161 - 07/22/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No but SWIM isn't me hahaha, I ain't messing with no rad shit. I don't have a suit or anything. SWIM really is SWIM in this case! I wonder if Rad can kill contams. hm.


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Ryar10241]
    #21980240 - 07/22/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Ryar10241 said: What would you think would happen if you say you place lets say 1 gram of radioactive material in a cake? High as shit, deep in thought haha.




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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: thoraxx]
    #21982747 - 07/23/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

rofl, what is optimum moisture levels for uranium substrate?


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Tweakz]
    #21982924 - 07/23/15 01:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Tweakz said:
remember that mushrooms will absorb that radiation and become radioactive themselves, so if you're planning on eating them i'd say it's a bad idea.

however im high as well and i think if you're gonna experiment, do it to one of those glow in the dark mushrooms and see if there's an effect.




Read the story on oak ridge cubes. Supposedly they were found in
Tennessee near a nuclear testing facility and they were tested for
residual radiation and none was found.

According to jeetered who discovered the "strain":
"I found this strain growing wild, 5 miles west of Y12 nuclear weapons complex, in Oak Ridge, Tennessee 37830 USA, growing gregariously and singular in equine dung and surrounding enriched soils. Oak Ridge, TN 37830 USA,  is where the atom bombs were built that "ended" world war II. "the secret city".

The Oak Ridge strain has no residual radiation, however where found, there were some mutated specimens. The soil was tested for mercury that was near the find, no trace amounts. As far as nuclear irradiation, no way jose."



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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21982969 - 07/23/15 02:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

seems not all mushrooms react the same way to radiation, is 5 miles away from the plant close enough for a significant increase in radiation levels?

also check out this video


in the video you will see a clip of the researchers walking past an amanita muscaria near the chernobyl reactor ruins and the readings they get off of it are huge. Ive also heard that amanitas actually feed off of the energy provided by radiation.


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Tweakz]
    #21983338 - 07/23/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If visible electromagnetic radiation is what you're thinking of yes they use that for some biological processes.


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21983417 - 07/23/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

visible electromagnetic radiation, as in light? of course they use light.

but in that video they are using a geiger counter which detects gamma ray and beta particle radiation, and that amanita was "hot".


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Tweakz]
    #22031148 - 08/01/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dexter attempted the experiment with Panaeolus cinctulus and the mycelium suddenly died then came back full force. Pray for mutants [;


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: thoraxx]
    #22031159 - 08/01/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ryar10241 said: What would you think would happen if you say you place lets say 1 gram of radioactive material in a cake? High as shit, deep in thought haha.




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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Ryar10241]
    #22031387 - 08/01/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Depends on the species and type of radiation but it seems that gamma radiation only harms mycelium. Perhaps the radiation killed more of the lower organisms that compete with the more resistant species so it appeared to benefit them.

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SURVIVAL OF FUNGI IN SOIL EXPOSED TO GAMMA RADIATION

Leander F. Johnson and T. S. Osborne
Canadian Journal of Botany

Vol. 42: Issue. 1: Pages. 105-113

DOI: 10.1139/b64-009

Samples of soil were exposed to gamma radiation from a Co60 source. By a modified soil-plate technique fungi were isolated from the radiation-treated soils and compared to those isolated from untreated soils. At intensities of 250, 500, 750, and 1000 kr, 2.53, 0.67, 0.10, and 0.04%, respectively, of the viable propagules of fungi survived. Twenty-eight species of fungi survived soil irradiation of 250 kr or more, many of which were not isolated from untreated soil. Prior gamma irradiation of soil samples enabled isolation of certain fungi that occur in soils in low numbers and that are not ordinarily found on conventional dilution or soil plates. Most of the members of the Moniliaceae, comprising a large portion of the soil fungal population, were killed by radiation, but the Dematiaceae generally were more resistant. It was found that resistance of certain fungal spores in soil to high intensity radiation is related to growth rates of mycelium in pure culture under sublethal levels of continuous radiation. The mycelium of three resistant fungi, which originally survived high doses of radiation, grew better under chronic irradiation than did two susceptible fungi, which were killed by high doses of soil irradiation.




I read another study that stated a decrease in growth occured at 12hr and 24hr but then resumed immediately thereafter. So if the culture shows growth 48hr after the initial exposure it will be fine and there will be a greater chance of mutants. Try to remove the radiation after the initial exposure, fungi dont like prolonged radioactive exposure.

UV or beta can be used more readily, cheaper, and safer to induce mutations.

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Mutagenic Treatment: X Rays

Because spontaneous mutants are rare, techniques are used to increase the frequency of mutation. As previously mentioned, the studies of Muller on the fruit fly Drosophila demonstrated that ionizing radiation increases the rate of mutation. Radiation is also a useful mutagenic treatment for fungi. In general, there is a direct correspondence between X-ray dosage and the frequency of mutations obtained among the nuclei that survive the radiation. Experimentally, we can determine the dosage that will result in a certain percentage of survival of spores or hyphal fragments and relate this to the approximate percentage of mutants among the survivors. As screening for biochemical mutants in filamentous fungi involves much time and labor, it is desirable to use a dosage that will give the highest percentage of mutants among the survivors.

We can obtain a rough estimate of the dosage range that should be employed from reports in the literature for other species of fungi (e.g., 15 to 40 kiloroentgens for N. crassa). For efficiency in obtaining mutants with a species for which data are not available, however, it may be worthwhile in the long run to perform an experiment in which survival and mutation frequency are determined.

3. Mutagenic Treatment: Ultraviolet

For most investigators seeking to obtain mutants of fungi, it is simpler to use ultraviolet (UV) light than X rays, because a simple, inexpensive, germicidal UV lamp is available. The germicidal effect is related to the absorption maximum of nucleic acid at 260 nm (1 nanometer = 10 angstroms, symbolized Å), which is included in the wavelengths delivered by the germicidal lamp. Actually, most germicidal lamps deliver a broader range of wavelengths, but experimentation has demonstrated that 260 nm is
the effective wavelength. This wavelength has also been shown to increase mutation frequency. Both the germicidal (lethal) effect and the mutagenic effect are believed to result from the formation of covalent bonds between adjacent pyrimidine nucleotides, generally thymine but sometimes cytosine. These linked pyrimidine nucleotides are referred to as dimers, either thymine dimers or cytosine dimers, depending on the specific nucleotides that have bonded together. The consequence of dimer formation is an inhibition of normal DNA synthesis. It has also been demonstrated that there is a mechanism that can repair the UV-induced damage. The mechanism requires exposure to wavelengths in the approximate range of 360 to 480 nm. Light in this range has the effect of activating an enzyme that splits the dimer, thus permitting the return to normal DNA synthesis and lack of mutagenicity. This light repair is called photoreactivation. In experimental work in which UV is being used to obtain mutants, it is important that cells not be exposed to the wavelengths inducing photoreactivation. This can be accomplished by illuminating the work area with yellow light, which does not transmit wavelengths causing photoreactivation. Mutations are caused by UV through dimer formation, which is followed by replication of DNA. The dimers are responsible for gaps in the strands of DNA that are synthesized. This method of mutagenesis is different from the mode of action of ionizing radiation, e.g., X rays, which cause
alteration in the bases of the DNA and breaks in the DNA strands.




Since you are using ionization energy to "shred" the DNA a yellow light isnt needed, it might also make certain nutrients more available by allowing them to easily pass through the cell wall and membrane.

Never eat something that has the ability to bioadsorb stuff or chelate heavy metals after exposure to radioactive or metal contaminated media. Its too risky without analysis first.


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22031411 - 08/01/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Really interesting stuff, what I plan on doing is harvesting spores from the mutations and make more babies hoping that they will pass the mutant genes along without the rad this time.


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Ryar10241]
    #22031433 - 08/02/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thats what you gotta do to ensure its safe to eat. Might take awhile to stabilize it but it can be done with enough determination :lol: and radiation/sporulations/isolations


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Re: Radiation for growth, mutations. [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22035811 - 08/02/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just a thought - is it possible that it could mutate into something sinister such as making the psychedelic compound into a poison and or change it to make it into a different compound o_O.


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