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Are my cakes okay?
    #21977515 - 07/21/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey everyone. This is my first attempt at growing mushrooms and I'm looking for a little input to see if I'm heading in the right direction.

What I've done so far. Sterilized & inoculated 8 jars. Colonization of the jars was going fine until I had noticed what I thought was some kind of contam in 4 of the jars. I pulled those jars aside & just set them under my bed. Where they get indirect light from the window everyday. I left them there for a while & forgot about them. Roughly a few weeks later I decided to look at them to see how bad the contamination must have gotten & to my surprise the jars were completely colonized and there were actually mushrooms growing in between the jar and cake. I figured I could try to salvage them so I plopped the cakes out which wasn't easy. The mycelium had actually started to grow into the dry verm layer. Still though, I didn't see any signs of contamination and so I picked off the little shrooms and dried them out. Ended up getting about 3 grams dry which I ate. Everything went fine with the trip so I took that as confirmation that the cakes hadn't really been contaminated. I dunked them overnight and then placed them into a fruiting chamber. (and before you say where's your verm casing; I know, didn't have any at the time) Now I had placed them in the FC on sunday & it's now tuesday. I have some pics of each of the cakes. One of them has a greenish spot that I'm a bit worried about & on the same cake there is bit of a bluish black spot from where mushrooms had been growing in jar (I'm assuming it's just bruising?)

Please let me know what you guys think, thanks.









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Re: Are my cakes okay? [Re: jackherrah]
    #21977548 - 07/21/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Are my cakes okay? [Re: Chakatron]
    #21977562 - 07/21/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They look pretty bad man, post pics of your setup, because I'm sure it's not right.


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Re: Are my cakes okay? [Re: newrook]
    #21977594 - 07/21/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Doesn't look good, toss the lot and start again. Sterilize everything that contamination will have spread into your fc.


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Re: Are my cakes okay? [Re: newrook]
    #21977596 - 07/21/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This is my setup. Mist 3 times daily & fan 4 or 5.





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Re: Are my cakes okay? [Re: jackherrah]
    #21977605 - 07/21/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yeah I'm cool with throwing them out but do you think this is from me neglecting the jars for too long? Because this is basically what they looked like when they came out of the jars, minus the mycelium fluff & pins. Or is that a contamination?


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Re: Are my cakes okay? [Re: jackherrah]
    #21977628 - 07/21/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17231150/fpart/1/vc/1

look at the third post, under "Insufficient Environment"

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542

this is the setup you want my friend


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Re: Are my cakes okay? [Re: newrook]
    #21977632 - 07/21/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm looks like healthy mycelium in the last two. But that greenish spot doesn't look like bruising, could be the lighting. That brown spot doesn't look too hot either Keep a watch on that one. Strong mycelium can overgrow the contamination but it can still be inside the cake. Contaminated cakes will also push out as many pins as possible before dying, trying to get everyone out as fast as it can. It will worsen as the flushes go. If mycelium grows through the dry verm layer and pins, it's either getting contaminated or it's ready to birth.

1st and 3rd pic, look at how the mycelium grows. More fanning, need FAE


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Re: Are my cakes okay? [Re: jackherrah]
    #21977662 - 07/21/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Okay yeah you need some holes in that hoe. Aerial mycelium.
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Tmethyl said:

This is the most common problem with using a PMP(poor mans pod) fruiting chamber, nowhere near enough FAE. These cakes are getting fresh air, but not enough to get rid of the c02 building up, so the cakes have developed heavy aerial mycelium, and the mushrooms are skinny and wimpy from trying to escape the bad environment, we recommend using an SGFC fruiting chamber nowadays, the days of the PMP are gone, for this exact reason - Creekfreek

This is what happens when a culture receives NO LIGHT - Doc_D

NO FAE, this is what happens to a cake which is being suffocated - Bree (and K1ngsp4de)

Poor FAE. Bad tub design. PastyWhite

The blue/grey tint on this monotub is from drying out, it will NEVER pin in these conditions - The1sttofall

Some suffering albino's, they are insufficient in FAE among other things, don't let your mushrooms look like this - Cronicr

The pic says it all, very poor FAE, very poor lighting, and other issues - Dodgem

This is what happens to a cake which is given nearly no FAE, and possible bad lighting. It's not happy, note the fuzzy bases of the mushrooms, this indicated low FAE, also notice the dark discolorations on the caps(not the dark purple, that's spores), this is waterlogging, it is being over misted - Kinetic

This is an insufficient environment, because pins only developed where the trash bag liner was laying on the sub. This means the rest of the substrate was not humid enough. This picture is also 100% proof of the wax paper casing concept working - DeadPhan

Here are some tiny pins caused by a dryer than normal substrate, dry subs can cayse tiny mushrooms, and even large-scale aborts - NatureBoy

This is aerial mycelium, it's an indicator of low FAE high c02 in the fruiting chamber - Eyeless_Cat

Aerial mycelium on BRF cake - Trip352

Cracking caps, low humidity, dry air, not enough misting, etc - SuchSmartMonkeys

Heavily over misted, notice the dark caps, with a caramel glaze look, they are near abortion due top over misting. There is also pooling water on the substrate surface, it is turning yellow because of the presence of bacteria. The mycelium is battling the bacteria by secreting metabolites/enzymes(yellow) - DeadPhan

Serious lack of FAE(Fresh Air Exchange) on BRF cake. Note the small caps, and long skinny stipe(stems) trying to escape high c02 levels - Pastywhyte

Serious lack of FAE(Fresh Air Exchange) in monotub. Note the small caps, and long skinny stipe(stems) trying to escape high c02 levels - Hoobatech

Cubensis fruits all damaged by over saturation, it looks similar to dry air damage. These fruits are waterlogged and were soaked for 1.5day straight - Tmethyl

Heavily over misted(leading to aborted fruits, and possible bacterial contamination) and insufficient lighting(tall skinny small caped fruits) - Mattsls101 
 
Pic 1 is heavily over-misted, and it also had insufficient lighting. Note the aborts, pic 2 is the bottom of a monotub displaying a ton of aborted bottom pins, there is also a high likelihood of these pins being contaminated with bacteria - Twistedty

These mushrooms are growing in a very hostile environment, and appear to be contaminated by a gay rabbit - RogerRabbit

I don't even know what to say about this tray, I don't know wtf he did to it... just avoid this :awesomenod: - Trip352

These Paneaolus cyanescens pins are aborting due to over misting, do not mist Pan pins, ever - Tmethyl






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Re: Are my cakes okay? [Re: YoYoSpores]
    #21977705 - 07/21/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, definitely think i'm gonna scrap this setup. Too many factors went wrong. Gonna colonize a new set of jars and then fruit them in a SGFC, see how I do the second time around. Will post a grow log. appreciate all your guys' input, thanks


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Re: Are my cakes okay? [Re: jackherrah]
    #21978066 - 07/21/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah that first pic is something scary, those cakes are fighting off something. Build a SAB to inoculate your cakes in, and flame sterilize with a torch in between each jar! Good luck man, good vibes your way for your second try.  :scaryshroom:


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Re: Are my cakes okay? [Re: WindWisperer]
    #21978086 - 07/21/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Take those out with a grocery bag. Tie it up before you take them out. Otherwise you are just doom in your future by spreading contams everywhere.


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