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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: SunnyD]
    #21977306 - 07/21/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I used to smoke persistently all day for over a year straight. And it never really lowered very much. And yes, I am actually diagnosed with PTSD as well as being a potential Depersonalization Disassociative Disorder carrier.


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: OhMrJohnson] * 1
    #21977312 - 07/21/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I read this scientific article that says if weed is used more often than once every six weeks (the elimination time of THC) a chronic effect is developed which in time actually becomes your regular state of mind

This is why so many people continue to smoke weed daily even though it holds them back and is obviously the source of many of their problems.. this chronic effect fools the brain into denying the negative aspects of cannabis and sensationalizing the positive ones

When I read this information it kinda shocked me a bit because it defined my addiction down to a T



i found weeed alot better when i smoked only on the weekends


its seriously a 100x betterdrug if not abused


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: zZZz]
    #21977332 - 07/21/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I hallucinate and mildly trip when I smoke weed too. THC is a mild hallucinogen but the hallucinations it causes are quite strong for me. Not everyone hallucinates though, a lot of people I know who I ask if they hallucinate tell me I smoke laced bud. It sounds arrogant to say this but I think you are more inclined to have psychedelic effects from cannabis if you are a compassionate, deep, intellectual, and mentally complex individual. The people who I notice don't have a strong cerebral reaction or psychedelic or hallucinatory reaction to cannabis are usually shallow, simple, and ignorant people. By that I mean usually the ignorant ratchets who sell weed in the ghetto or shallow and vain jock meat heads like frat boys who smoke weed like it's drinking. Those people are usually the ones who get the more fucked up effect similar to alcohol rather then the psychedelic and strong mental effect that people like chilled outed people like hippies get. This isn't always the case a lot of complex and chilled out people don't hallucinate but weed is just one of those things. It's different for everybody.


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: SunnyD]
    #21977338 - 07/21/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Spacing it out is nice if you just like to get high and unwind

I use it really whenever I am awake if I have any on me, which is most of the time, mainly because it has 100% rid me of migraines/headaches and my anger issues I used to have before I started using it. If I stop for a few days, both of those come back and it is no bueno

When I use it daily for a long time, it still gets me high but it isn't intoxicating like it can be if you use infrequently. It allows me to function 100% and stay medicated

It does just start to feel like a cup of coffee or a cigarette after a while though, where I find I am just smoking weed to keep me from having migraines rather than enjoying the other effects unless I am listening to music and chilling

When my tolerance gets high, I do not notice weed's effects when I am focusing on something like driving, working, watching movies, etc

It is only when I let my mind run loose that I start to feel high again


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: Janky Tits]
    #21977359 - 07/21/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I hallucinate and mildly trip when I smoke weed too. THC is a mild hallucinogen but the hallucinations it causes are quite strong for me. Not everyone hallucinates though, a lot of people I know who I ask if they hallucinate tell me I smoke laced bud. It sounds arrogant to say this but I think you are more inclined to have psychedelic effects from cannabis if you are a compassionate, deep, intellectual, and mentally complex individual. The people who I notice don't have a strong cerebral reaction or psychedelic or hallucinatory reaction to cannabis are usually shallow, simple, and ignorant people. By that I mean usually the ignorant ratchets who sell weed in the ghetto or shallow and vain jock meat heads like frat boys who smoke weed like it's drinking. Those people are usually the ones who get the more fucked up effect similar to alcohol rather then the psychedelic and strong mental effect that people like chilled outed people like hippies get. This isn't always the case a lot of complex and chilled out people don't hallucinate but weed is just one of those things. It's different for everybody.



I actually think this is true in a lot of cases. It really is an individualistic experience unlike most drugs, because i've seen patterns in the way some friends get high compared to others. very interesting the neurochemistry that plays such a titanic role in the flower of such an amazing plant.


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: BabyCorn]
    #21977372 - 07/21/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I hallucinate and mildly trip when I smoke weed too. THC is a mild hallucinogen but the hallucinations it causes are quite strong for me. Not everyone hallucinates though, a lot of people I know who I ask if they hallucinate tell me I smoke laced bud. It sounds arrogant to say this but I think you are more inclined to have psychedelic effects from cannabis if you are a compassionate, deep, intellectual, and mentally complex individual. The people who I notice don't have a strong cerebral reaction or psychedelic or hallucinatory reaction to cannabis are usually shallow, simple, and ignorant people. By that I mean usually the ignorant ratchets who sell weed in the ghetto or shallow and vain jock meat heads like frat boys who smoke weed like it's drinking. Those people are usually the ones who get the more fucked up effect similar to alcohol rather then the psychedelic and strong mental effect that people like chilled outed people like hippies get. This isn't always the case a lot of complex and chilled out people don't hallucinate but weed is just one of those things. It's different for everybody.



I actually think this is true in a lot of cases. It really is an individualistic experience unlike most drugs, because i've seen patterns in the way some friends get high compared to others. very interesting the neurochemistry that plays such a titanic role in the flower of such an amazing plant.




Cannabis has now been proven to be a true psychedelic

Scientists discovered that the same receptor responsible for psychedelic effects from lsd, shrooms, etc. are responsible for most, if not all of cannabis' psychoactive effects

I can get some visuals even with massive tolerance

When my HPPD was really bad, the CEVs were even better than a 200ug LSD trip and I got some obvious patterns on surfaces


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21977403 - 07/21/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Honestly


i think weed addiction is a bigger problem than most stoners let on
Baxk when i was sober mostly
i had so much energy

i didnt need weed.to sleep eat, etc
weed honestly has holded me back ime

thats why im not smoking daily or trying not to


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: SunnyD]
    #21977430 - 07/21/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Honestly


i think weed addiction is a bigger problem than most stoners let on





It definitely has some psychological addiction tied to it

I mean I won't go out telling everyone that because it isn't nearly as bad as other addictions and they might get the wrong idea, but it is something that can happen

Most people are afraid to admit it is addicting because the weed media says it isn't, but I think it should be brought to light down the line when we are closer to full legalization


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: SunnyD] * 1
    #21977440 - 07/21/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

gotta know thyself

if u know weed makes u paranoid, or effects u negatively in any way, it's probably best to not smoke it.

i think when weed starts effecting u negatively i'ts because u dont really need it

it;s  a medicine after all


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: zZZz]
    #21977498 - 07/21/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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gotta know thyself

if u know weed makes u paranoid, or effects u negatively in any way, it's probably best to not smoke it.

i think when weed starts effecting u negatively i'ts because u dont really need it

it;s  a medicine after all




I believe you may be right

I feel like I have gained all I need from psychedelics for the time being, and I don't really want to trip because of it. It leaves me with nothing to think about really so now lsd is just another drug I can have fun with instead of rely on for some purpose.

Whereas weed is still helping me, and without it I would be depressed, angry, and migraines/headaches will come back. But when I hear of people smoking weed for a long time and then randomly start getting bad effects from smoking more of it, they are happy normal people that had no issues after they stopped using it


Maybe psychedelics' sole purpose is to heal, and when you no longer need the healing it is providing, you start to reject it mentally/physically

I had a buddy who had an mmj card since he was only 17 or 18 and smoked every day for 5 years to help with some neuropathy that had him prescribed opiates for years

Once he started to smoke, he noticed that it started to go away, and after about 5 years he said that he no longer had neuropathy. He continued to smoke weed for a month or two after coming to that conclusion for recreation but he started to get extreme anxiety while high, took him to a show and while we were passing the joint back and forth he started to think that security was looking at him even though we were blowing the smoke down to the floor and we were in the middle of the crowd. He then told me that we had to leave, and we ended up missing half the damn performance... He kept on having that anxiety until he learned that it might be the weed, so he stopped blazing. Almost immediately it stopped and on top of that, he has been pain free ever since


It would make sense though, but to another it may just sound like some bullshit


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21977935 - 07/21/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's one thing if you use marijuana as medicine for a health condition you may have

It's quite another thing to be a healthy human being yet still using it every day even though you don't actually need it, your brain convinces you that you do because using it regularly causes a cannabis-dependant state to develop in your brain, which due to the half-life of THC can last for months even after you quit


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21978094 - 07/21/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It's one thing if you use marijuana as medicine for a health condition you may have

It's quite another thing to be a healthy human being yet still using it every day even though you don't actually need it, your brain convinces you that you do because using it regularly causes a cannabis-dependant state to develop in your brain, which due to the half-life of THC can last for months even after you quit





It is a little tricky to draw a line between getting high and medicating, because for some (including myself), getting high is part of the medicinal effect from weed. It can turn a really pissed off guy that looks like the vein on his head is about to pop into a guy with a smile on his face and realizes that getting mad at people/something is pointless


I mean I don't know if it is appropiate to classify weed as a mood stabilizer, but it really can level someone out. The first benefit I noticed after smoking a few times was just how much my mood changed... I can get strong mood swings (my dad used to think I might be bipolar, but turns out it was just caused by a lot of different things that happened to me in life) mainly between anger and a "neutral" state. I used to play a lot of video games when I was younger (I still do from time to time for nostalgia) because everyone preferred me getting mad at a game rather than at a person. Now while not everyone gets mood swings like I do, everyone gets pissed, sad, or hostile at times. Weed can help everyone medicinally by basically improving your mood by smoking an herb.

Some are opposed to "dulling" your emotions, but I find weed lets you realize how pointless negative emotions are instead of just flat out putting you into a drug-induced state of happiness.



Really wish I could put my thoughts into shorter sentences right now, but fucking ritalin is preventing me, but I will try to sum this all up...


Even though some people just smoke weed to "get high", you need to ask yourself, why are they doing it? Even people who seem perfectly fine 360 degress around will get pissed, angry, etc. on a day to day basis, and weed can help that. So in a sense, while it may seem they are just "getting high", they are really just wanting to be in a happy, good mood which is always healthier than a negative mood.




As for the psychlogical addiction to cannabis, I have seen that happen many times before, where people convince themselves they need weed. They smoke it every day, and while initially it may boost their appetites, help them sleep, and make them feel euphoric, after a while your brain thinks that THC is supposed to be there (since it is in everyday smoker's brains more often than not) so it adjusts those feelings that cannabis gave you to be a normal mindset. So when people stop taking it, they can't eat, can't sleep, and are in a bad mood more often than they were before taking it to offset all of the time you were happy. It takes a good week for your brain to start to readjust again, but if you smoke in that timeframe , the whole process stops for a while and then it takes even longer to feel normal again.

It is nice to experience all of those nice things people commonly associate with being high on weed, munchies, intense relaxation, euphoria, weed will never replace your brain's own natural endocannabinoids and it will always feel "different" than normal


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21978116 - 07/21/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sorry but my attention span is fucked I can't digest all of that lol

But I think getting pissed off, sad, other negative emotions etc. are a natural part of life that all humans should be able to deal with, without having to rely on a drug to make these feelings go away

If you're using weed as a crutch to make your negative emotions disappear in a cloud of smoke I don't think that's good for your mental health at all

I should know, I've been smoking weed multiple times almost every day for years now.. it upsets me to think that for all this time I've been relying on a flower to comfort me when I should have that power inside myself, naturally

That's why I must quit for now

But to each their own

Here's a little story, a metaphor if you will

https://m.reddit.com/r/leaves/comments/3e39ik/why_marijuana_addiction_is_bad/

I like this a lot because it reminds me of myself and the life I've been living for a long time now


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21978385 - 07/22/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm sorry but my attention span is fucked I can't digest all of that lol

But I think getting pissed off, sad, other negative emotions etc. are a natural part of life that all humans should be able to deal with, without having to rely on a drug to make these feelings go away

If you're using weed as a crutch to make your negative emotions disappear in a cloud of smoke I don't think that's good for your mental health at all

I should know, I've been smoking weed multiple times almost every day for years now.. it upsets me to think that for all this time I've been relying on a flower to comfort me when I should have that power inside myself, naturally

That's why I must quit for now

But to each their own

Here's a little story, a metaphor if you will

https://m.reddit.com/r/leaves/comments/3e39ik/why_marijuana_addiction_is_bad/

I like this a lot because it reminds me of myself and the life I've been living for a long time now




Yeah, I can see where controversey comes in about using a drug to "dull" your emotions, but the thing with weed (and psychedelics) is that they aren't really forcing you to be happy/euphoric or whatever, they let you sort of look at the situation and it allows you to see how stupid and unhealthy it is to be angry/sad/etc, and then it shows you how nice and healthy it is to be happy instead.


Negative emotions, even when they're just natural reactions because our genes coded it into us, are bad for your health. I know that before I smoked weed, I would snap at everything for no reason, like if I left something in the other room I would just break down and might even break something, and my blood pressure was always high and stress would make my migraines much worse and they would occur much more often.

Feeling sad or bad isn't nearly as bad for you, and I have actually cried tears of sadness while high because I realize it was an emotion that I needed to express.



Drugs like opiates, benzos, stims, and everything inbetween just force you to either be happy due to the dopamine in your brain directly from the drug, or life be so dull because all you ever feel is a warm blanket from a pill you take.

Psychedelics and weed don't force your brain to release good-feel chemicals like dopamine and serotonin, rather they let you chose emotions that are productive to the situation. Getting angry and pissed never solves anything, but letting out some tears for a loved one acts as a healthy release of emotion.










TLDR:

Weed doesn't "dull" emotions or force you to be happy, all it is doing is showing you how pointless anger and hatred is and lets you realize that those emotions are unhealthy and lead to nothing but more problems. Since weed lets you see how silly it is to get pissed at little shit (and even big shit), it lets you get into a happy, positive mindset because that is going to help you out by giving you time to think without interruption. I cannot think of a single situation in survival where it is beneficial to be angry at something. It doesn't change what happened and it only will make things worse.

I mean even if I got my bank account robbed of thousands of dollars, instead of getting angry like I would normally, smoking some weed lets me analyze what the fuck I need to do, which in this case would be to call the police and start an investigation instead of getting angry, because if you're pissed you are doing nothing but exerting energy you would be better off saving to think about a course of action.


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21978646 - 07/22/15 01:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Didn't read the thread, but I've said multiple times, I'd be able to keep my shit together better on a decent 10 strip of LSD than a moderately dosed cannabis edible.

IDK why, but I cannot handle weed all that well. Especially eating it.(and doing dabs or whatever they're called)
There's a guy in Madison that sells kinda weak edibles at all the shows out of his backpack, and I ate half of one, my girl the other half, and I was awake all night paranoid, self-hating, hearing shit, cotton mouthed, having to piss every 10 minutes it seems.

That was my last experience with edibles. I had done it them twice before that and both of those times were pretty much just as bad.

Not sure if preparing the butter rids the CBD or something, but it was not pleasant at all...Even when I smoke, I need to keep it to a few puffs. I can definitely get too high.
Sucks to be me I guess, but whatever.

Like I said, I tolerate way "harder" drugs so much better than THC. I really don't know why.


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: shLong]
    #21978679 - 07/22/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I feel bad when I hear someone has lots of trouble with cannabis. I know how it can be with not being able to handle my shit on a drug, I never feel like I can keep my shit together if I am peaking on a psychedelic. My last trip was a 10 mile hike while on 200ug of LSD, and when I started peaking I took a wrong turn at a trial intersection and when I noticed I have never seen the trial I was on before, I totally lost my shit. Some dude thought I was gonna jump off a cliff because I was talking nonsense to myself pacing back and forth close to the edge of a cliff, but it was the only area I could stand off the trial.

It happens from time to time with me on psychedelics, and it is scary when you feel like you have no control. I feel I loose control when something doesn't go as expected, because then I don't know what to do and since I am tripping, it is difficult to dig yourself out of getting lost or trying to figure out what the fuck is going on.


But psychedelics are much more intense than weed, and I really do feel bad that cannabis isn't for everyone.

It's a plant with so much potential and different uses, plus having a safe, cheap drug that you can enjoy frequently without really bad effects is a godsend, and it must be teasing when a drug as awesome as weed affects you in a bad way :frown:



I mean maybe I am a little biased because weed treats me so well, therefore I view it as almost some sort of "miracle drug". I hope the day never comes when cannabis turns it's back on me, but if it does happen I can only hope that the problems it has solved do not come back.


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21978700 - 07/22/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think I just need to find a good indica strain and try that out...something with more CBD...

I can't select strains here or anything, so I won't know until I am sure what I'm smoking is what's advertised.


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: shLong]
    #21978716 - 07/22/15 02:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think I just need to find a good indica strain and try that out...something with more CBD...

I can't select strains here or anything, so I won't know until I am sure what I'm smoking is what's advertised.





Oh yeah, if you haven't tried indicas yet they may still leave some hope


I wish I was in a position where I could gauge how effective the CBD really is for helping THC's anxiety, but I guess I am lucky or something because weed is nothing but positive for me haha


Only difference I could really mention is my mind is a lot more active with a sativa, so there's more thoughts flowing through my mind. On an indica, I just kind of melt into the moment and my mind goes blank here and there


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21978754 - 07/22/15 02:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'dlove some kush or something. or some purple buds.. (Pretty sure if they're purple, they're definitely indica, no?)

I don't live in or near a legal or medical state, nor do I know any growers, so they could claim anything..

But yeah, I'd love to get a couple grams of some real high-CBD strain..
Besides shit like Charlotte's Web, what's would be the best strains for me if I had access to all of then like people in the recreational states?


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Re: Why Do I Trip from Cannabis? [Re: shLong]
    #21978767 - 07/22/15 02:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'dlove some kush or something. or some purple buds.. (Pretty sure if they're purple, they're definitely indica, no?)

I don't live in or near a legal or medical state, nor do I know any growers, so they could claim anything..

But yeah, I'd love to get a couple grams of some real high-CBD strain..
Besides shit like Charlotte's Web, what's would be the best strains for me if I had access to all of then like people in the recreational states?




Well if you still want to get high from the weed, I would just look at strains with 6:1 thc/cbd ratios or similar. Jedi OG Kush was 26% THC and about 6.5% CBD from the batch I got. Gave some to a friend who usually gets anxiety from weed and he said he really liked it


Those really high CBD strains like charolette's web have so much CBD that it 100% cancels all of the THC's effect. THC gets you high because it agonises the CB1 receptor, whereas CBD works on CB2 receptors that are in the body rather than the brain. The thing is however is CBD is not just a CB2 agonist, but it is a CB1 antagonist, so it blocks THC from working in your brain. if you take enough CBD


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