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A Modest Proposal
    #21975031 - 07/21/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Very often on this and other sites people lament some old or new legal restriction on mushrooms or LSD or some other natural (or not) substance with psychedelic properties. I can recall not too long ago salvia leaves of good quality were easily obtainable everywhere. It is no longer legal to sell them in  ALABAMA, ARKANSAS, COLORADO, CONNETICUT, DELAWARE, FLORIDA, GEORGIA, HAWAII, IOWA, INDIANA, ILLINOIS, KANSAS, KENTUCKY, LOUISIANA, MICHIGAN, MINNESOTA, MISSISSIPPI, MISSOURI, NEBRASKA, NORTH CAROLINA, NORTH DAKOTA, OHIO, OKLAHOMA, PENNSYLVANIA, SOUTH DAKOTA, TENNESSEE, TEXAS, VERMONT, VIRGINIA, WISCONSIN AND WYOMING.. At one time psilocybin and LSD were legal too. The law has beaten them down.And so most of us here heavily emphasize the stupidity of the state and federal legislatures that propose and enact these laws but I would not blame the laws--idiotic though they  may be. They are there because so many moronic jerks have eaten mushrooms or LSD  and have promptly gone out and driven their cars into walls or into kids playing in the street or perpetrated some other such mayhem. Seems to me that we on this site should come down on these dunces who advertise how they are about to  get as fucked up as possible in the worst possible situations--festivals, rock concerts etc., come down on them with a solemn warning that if they keep it up, in a few years spores will be as hard to get as every other kind of safely assimilable psychedelic is already. "MAKE MUSHROOMS IDIOT-PROOF" let that be the slogan of the day.

Well, enough of this finger-in-the-dike ranting. What will be will be.


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Most of my beliefs I acquired from my father and from John Wayne, and anything that wasn't ultra tough and ultra cool was to me ultra embarrassing. In fact, I lived in a state of near continuous embarrassment, never measuring up to the ridiculous standards I had accepted without question, applied to a framework of expectations neither I nor anyone else could meet.--J C Amberchele

almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
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Edited by jesuisravi (07/21/15 01:41 PM)


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Re: A Modest Proposal [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21975115 - 07/21/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Why not make alcohol illegal? There are incidents of dui all the time. Its no different than mushrooms.

Why are cigarettes legal and weed illegal?

This society is all backwards.

Why are guns legal? Im sure youve heard of ppl going on mall rampages.

What it all comes down to is there are responsible and irrisponsible ppl everywhere. Does this mean they should make everything illegal? No thats just outright stupid. Especially since mushrooms can b beneficial.

But whos to say what we could do and what we cant do?

I shroom responsibly. Why would they make restrictions on me and demonize me.

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Re: A Modest Proposal [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21976281 - 07/21/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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6Silent9Knight6 said:


What it all comes down to is there are responsible and irrisponsible ppl everywhere. Does this mean they should make everything illegal? No thats just outright stupid. Especially since mushrooms can b beneficial.

But whos to say what we could do and what we cant do?

I shroom responsibly. Why would they make restrictions on me and demonize me.

Rant over




Yes, the law is very crude, unnuanced.One in a hundred screws up and they make it illegal for everyone. You say people handle other subtances stupidly and these substances are still allowed a place on the market, why not psyches?

I don't know the answer. Maybe it's because psyches don't have a heavy duty lobby working in their behalf.


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Most of my beliefs I acquired from my father and from John Wayne, and anything that wasn't ultra tough and ultra cool was to me ultra embarrassing. In fact, I lived in a state of near continuous embarrassment, never measuring up to the ridiculous standards I had accepted without question, applied to a framework of expectations neither I nor anyone else could meet.--J C Amberchele

almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
― David Foster Wallace, Infinite Jest


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Re: A Modest Proposal [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21976300 - 07/21/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's because psychedelics make you question things that we have been
told and taught for too long. It makes you question authority, right
and wrong, religion, even existence and reality itself.

The way the higher ups see it, if everyone took psychedelics legally, the construct of our society may change too much for their liking due to a massive shift in collective consciousness.


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Re: A Modest Proposal [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21976855 - 07/21/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:raisemyglass:


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Re: A Modest Proposal [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21978583 - 07/22/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Do not attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by ignorance. The fact is, the main reason why psychedelics are demonized in modern society is the fear of the unknown. Psychedelic experiences can hardly be described, let alone understood, so of course people are going to be afraid of them.

The political motivation behind making these substances illegal wasn't some grand conspiracy to undermine the counterculture. Politicians need social issues to garner publicity for their careers, and drugs were a very convenient and profitable scapegoat for building controversy. Psychedelics happened to be particularly easy to spread misinformation on. Even if the controversy dies down, the laws will stagnate until sufficient lobbying is done to change them, and there just isn't enough money in psychedelic research to do that.

Even putting fear and misinformation aside, psychedelics take care and dedication to use safely and productively, and most people are too busy or lazy for that. They want to use drugs to relax or have fun, not learn. If anything, these people should have less access to these substances, not more, so they don't freak out and further tarnish the reputations of responsible users. The difficulty of finding a good contact separates the truly interested from the mindless thrill seekers. My main grievance is with the draconian sentences for those who are caught.


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Re: A Modest Proposal [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21979504 - 07/22/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

natedawgnow said:
It's because psychedelics make you question things that we have been
told and taught for too long. It makes you question authority, right
and wrong, religion, even existence and reality itself.

The way the higher ups see it, if everyone took psychedelics legally, the construct of our society may change too much for their liking due to a massive shift in collective consciousness.




This is certainly part of it. I recall watching an old news clip--from way back in the 60's--some academics on a panel were dicussing LSD, which was quite new at the time. One of them suddenly said, "Well what will we do if everybody starts taking this stuff? Nobody will want to get up in the morning and go to work!" This was said with an accent of alarm. Had I been there in the audience  I would have jumped up and interjected: That is because they would suddenly realize they have been living completely stupid lives." Wow! What hindsight bravery I would have had!


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Most of my beliefs I acquired from my father and from John Wayne, and anything that wasn't ultra tough and ultra cool was to me ultra embarrassing. In fact, I lived in a state of near continuous embarrassment, never measuring up to the ridiculous standards I had accepted without question, applied to a framework of expectations neither I nor anyone else could meet.--J C Amberchele

almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
― David Foster Wallace, Infinite Jest


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Re: A Modest Proposal [Re: Starless]
    #21979560 - 07/22/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Starless said:
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The political motivation behind making these substances illegal wasn't some grand conspiracy to undermine the counterculture. Politicians need social issues to garner publicity for their careers, and drugs were a very convenient and profitable scapegoat for building controversy. Psychedelics happened to be particularly easy to spread misinformation on. Even if the controversy dies down, the laws will stagnate until sufficient lobbying is done to change them, and there just isn't enough money in psychedelic research to do that.

Even putting fear and misinformation aside, psychedelics take care and dedication to use safely and productively, and most people are too busy or lazy for that. They want to use drugs to relax or have fun, not learn. If anything, these people should have less access to these substances, not more, so they don't freak out and further tarnish the reputations of responsible users. The difficulty of finding a good contact separates the truly interested from the mindless thrill seekers. My main grievance is with the draconian sentences for those who are caught.




Exactly. The laws are draconian. Draco was a Greek statesman, 7th century BC, who was one of the first legislators of Athens. He wasn't a king, but some kind of arbiter set up to keep things orderly.

Anyway, the laws he put into effect were extremely harsh and could not be appealed. No nuances. The one percenters of the time loved him, so much in fact that it is said that his death was a result of being suffocated one day in the pubic theatre by all the cloaks and hats that were thrown down from the aisles into the orchestra where he stood declaiming. This throwing down of articles of clothing was a sign of great approval, a way of saying "Bravo!" haha How delicious is the irony of this situation

OK. Our laws are just as stupid. They need to be subtilized. If you are caught with marijuana there needs to be an evaluation: has this guy ever been in trouble in connection with this substance? No? Does he produce and distribute it, whether for profit or no? No? Then he goes free. You get the picture.

Yes, the pols make these anti drug laws because they know the voters, softened up by media scare propaganda, usually get behind them. It is a cheap way to make a name for yourself.


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Most of my beliefs I acquired from my father and from John Wayne, and anything that wasn't ultra tough and ultra cool was to me ultra embarrassing. In fact, I lived in a state of near continuous embarrassment, never measuring up to the ridiculous standards I had accepted without question, applied to a framework of expectations neither I nor anyone else could meet.--J C Amberchele

almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
― David Foster Wallace, Infinite Jest


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