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Cant deal with pansies
    #21974283 - 07/21/15 05:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What makes someone such a pansy? Is it their sheltered life?


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21974359 - 07/21/15 06:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What traits or kind of people do you mean exactly?


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21974386 - 07/21/15 06:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What makes someone such a pansy? Is it their sheltered life?




I would wager that the average caveman could fuck up a top MMA fighter.


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21974478 - 07/21/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's tarded dude. The variety and easy access of modern foods alone makes a better athlete. Cavemen couldn't fight shit.


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21974486 - 07/21/15 06:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What traits or kind of people do you mean exactly?





The elitist kind that live by the rules of society. In a society that demonizes the many vs the few. Too afraid of getting locked up so they continue to support the rules of said society without any hint of rebellion. Even though the society is corrupt to the core n needs to be revolted against for the good of all.

And so they act like snitches n bitches and kiss asses to this elitist system. Those kind of pansies.

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What makes someone such a pansy? Is it their sheltered life?




I would wager that the average caveman could fuck up a top MMA fighter.




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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Matt87]
    #21974491 - 07/21/15 06:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's tarded dude. The variety and easy access of modern foods alone makes a better athlete. Cavemen couldn't fight shit.




A caveman would take up his big weird bat looking thing (or dinosaur bone) and smack that mma fighter up the head lol. (Cuz fuck rules lol)

Naw jp


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Matt87]
    #21974500 - 07/21/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's tarded dude. The variety and easy access of modern foods alone makes a better athlete. Cavemen couldn't fight shit.




I want to see you take down a mastodon with a stick.


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Matt87]
    #21974515 - 07/21/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's tarded dude. The variety and easy access of modern foods alone makes a better athlete. Cavemen couldn't fight shit.




Look at fred flintstone, could he fight? No, he was fat and lazy.


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Sun King]
    #21974525 - 07/21/15 07:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You know you would do Betty. 

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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21974616 - 07/21/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I did a volley ball, didn't I?


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21974675 - 07/21/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What makes someone such a pansy? Is it their sheltered life?




Imo it's materialism. It makes people think that this physical life is all there is and has to be protected at all costs, therefore they bow down to anyone threatening it, such as authority figures and politicians.


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21974866 - 07/21/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe. We have lost some of the capabilities that animals possess (animals can jump very high from a standstill, chimps can tear down trees with one arm, etc). I don't get how your reply was relevant if it wasn't meant to be non sequitur but now you have me interested in what you said.

Let's say a cavedays human was more capable of what animals can do than a modern human. A trained fighter would need a weapon. Taking them down would be probably impossible if they were in a healthy condition and trying to strike them would be too risky if you just got grabbed anywhere by them. If they grabbed your arm you wouldn't be getting away, if you tried to stop their free hand from pummeling you then they'd probably pick you up over their head... hm...

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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21976579 - 07/21/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What makes someone such a pansy? Is it their sheltered life?



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What traits or kind of people do you mean exactly?




The elitist kind that live by the rules of society. In a society that demonizes the many vs the few. Too afraid of getting locked up so they continue to support the rules of said society without any hint of rebellion. Even though the society is corrupt to the core n needs to be revolted against for the good of all.

And so they act like snitches n bitches and kiss asses to this elitist system. Those kind of pansies.





I would have never thought that's what you meant when you said "pansies".  The term brings to my mind what someone in the 50's would call a person who is afraid of hard work, or getting their feet wet, or shies away from any other social expectation of what people think it means to be a man.  It brings to my mind a connotation of actually following societies rules and bucking up and kissing asses and doing what needs to be done for your family.  To me, a pansy is more likely to be someone who rebels because even though they are seen as too weak to live up to expectations, at least they don't cave to the pressure and conform anyway.


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21979960 - 07/22/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21980432 - 07/22/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What makes someone such a pansy? Is it their sheltered life?




The term "pansy" is an old slur for Gay men, particularly effete and effeminate Gay men. Do you know that? If no, you must be expressing that you are a particularly virile man, to which I would query why you'd be boasting about this self-perception here. I, for one, am not interested in men, qua men, and that includes 'macho-men.' If you know what the word "pansy" implies, are you asking about the causes for homosexuality? If you have some idiosyncratic meaning to the word, maybe you should explain that to a public forum, because I am familiar only with the definition I cited. I mean, what is the opposite of "pansy," a man who hunts bears with a Bowie knife? :lol: Do you think machismo is the opposite of "pansy," and do think machismo is a norm for male behavior? I see it as an overcompensation. In fact both "pansy" and macho are exaggerated extremes of social convention and gender identity. :shrug:


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21980495 - 07/22/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So to sum up what everyone is saying to OP:





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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Hippocampus]
    #21981949 - 07/22/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lol... Interesting how everyone's perspective on what a pansy really is. Kinda makes you think what's real and what's not and how everything is all subjective....

Cave men vs modern men...

Hippocampus - To you a pansy is someone that doesn't want to get their feet wet and do hard work... This is what I was kinda getting at... The elitist rich people that use slaves to do all their hard work for them while they take shit on golden toilets, getting their asses pampered thinking they are royalty and above everyone else. I am all for hardworking people slavin away. There's something honorable about that but at the same time why the hell would you slave away to a system that doesn't give a shit about you? Seems pretty pansy.

Would you call the Jesus character weak? Skinny guy who went against the system and was beaten and sacrificed, humiliated in front of many.

MarkostheGnostic - To you, pansies are feminine, possibly gay men. And let me tell you... I've met those macho men... all into tattoos, fighting and guns and fucking bitches but cry like bitches at the sight of a rat or a dirty bathroom floor while feminine looking scrawny males pick up dead rats off the bathroom floor.

So... to be or not to be, a pansy? That is the question. :lol:


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21982038 - 07/22/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's okay we're all adults here.  You can call them a "pussy."

Fear is usually what drives pussies to be pussies.  It's not complicated.  Some people are weaker then others.


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21982118 - 07/22/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lack of coming of age rituals


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21982755 - 07/23/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

To you, pansies are feminine, possibly gay men. And let me tell you... I've met those macho men... all into tattoos, fighting and guns and fucking bitches but cry like bitches at the sight of a rat or a dirty bathroom floor while feminine looking scrawny males pick up dead rats off the bathroom floor.

:rofl2:  I don't use the word personally, I'm just putting out there what I grew up with. This reminds me of adolescents who called girls they didn't like "heifers," because children repeat what they hear, picking up the emotional tone but never asking what the word actually means  ('young female cow' in this case).


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21985884 - 07/23/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Even though the society is corrupt to the core n needs to be revolted against for the good of all.



Society is corrupt to the core, and everyone who doesn't dance to your pipe is a "pansy"? Wow, that's deep philosophy!


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21986368 - 07/23/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Pussies are tough, the toughest. Pussies can take a serious pounding, and they can be turned almost inside out during childbirth. Calling a man a pussy as an insult is a misnomer, usually uttered by an insecure miscreant.


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21986396 - 07/23/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21986509 - 07/23/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:teabird: What shall we call these types of whom OP writes?


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: yeah]
    #21987749 - 07/23/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Uh, pussy = vagina.


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Hippocampus]
    #21987816 - 07/23/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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:teabird: What shall we call these types of whom OP writes?




Personally, I'm more interested in an analysis of people who name-call. The object of name-calling is always indicative of a hidden self-esteem issue that is projected onto others. Projection is the basis of bigotry also, whether it's 'organ inferiority' that is turned into hatred for Black men who are stereotypically thought to universally have extra-large penises, or whether it's being intimidated by Jews because they are stereotypically thought to have more money than the hater, or against Gay men, which in my life-experience, which precedes my professional experience by 30 years, almost always indicates repressed homosexuality. I've seen it time and again. The townie-tough who attacked a skinny, straight friend of mine who was dressed like a half dozen of his friends in women's clothes (following The Mothers of Invention's album cover) came out as Gay many years later, as a poignant example. So the point is not that there are Blacks, Jews, and Gays, some of which fit the stereotypical beliefs, and some who do not, it is about the individual who singles out certain human beings based on perceived stereotypes. The singled out group is a mirror of the name-caller's repressed unconscious self every time. We only hate what we fear. Think about it.

Similarly, adolescent males often equate male brutality with masculinity, but I have discovered after a lengthy career that that mentality (which is too often not transcended) indicates abject fear of the feminine. Such males are not afraid of being physically harmed by females, but they are terrified of being rejected, abandoned, ridiculed, or in some way emotionally hurt by females, so they attempt to protect themselves by demeaning women into "bitches" and "[w]ho[r]es," whom they believe (in stereotypical manner) should be treated in the manner of a brutal street pimp and his girls. That way, girls can be 'taken,' but they can't be taken seriously. They are reduced to a sub-human category of a commodity for use. Haters gonna hate.


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21987846 - 07/23/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sometimes a spade is a spade and a pussy is a pussy and theres nothing deeper to it:shrug:


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21990231 - 07/24/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Sometimes a spade is a spade and a pussy is a pussy and theres nothing deeper to it:shrug:




This reminds me of a 1960s Playboy cartoon where two hippies hold up a truck that says "BREAD" on the side, and are surprised that it actually contains bread, not money (which bread was late 60s slang for).


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21990252 - 07/24/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Would they think a spade is a black person?


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Hippocampus]
    #21990415 - 07/24/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Would they think a spade is a black person?




No doubt. Probably never played cards or did any gardening.


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: MarkostheGnostic] * 1
    #21991279 - 07/24/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Mark, what you're saying doesn't account for the fact that male brutality is a natural part of the male psyche, even if only expressed latently in socially and economically advanced countries. In some parts of the world it is completely necessary to survival. You're also ignoring the effect of cultural conditioning on different kinds of outward behaviors and the myriad of causes that can produce the behaviors you are correlating to each other.

I know that personally, I can come off as brutish to people in certain situations, but ever since I was in high school I had an understanding that it was important for me to be able to appreciate and come to terms with my capacity to defend myself or people close to me with just as much potential force as anyone might meet me with. Not every situation can be diffused peacefully and sometimes the moral thing to do is to meet force with force.

Ive learned to take that very seriously, partially from harsh experience and partially from second hand learning. I don't put that capacity on a pedestal, I don't seek out opportunities to exercise it, I just live with the reality of the fact that we are only ever a couple of steps away from the state of nature manifesting itself on a small or large scale. Its a choice to choose to never live in fear of what anybody else can possibly do to you. It's not a compulsion or an emotional deficiency.

In my experience, failure to integrate this aspect has its own shadow behaviors like cowardice, passive aggressivity, and a lack of boundaries. I see it pretty often in my personal life and it annoys the hell out of me.


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: saenchai]
    #21993209 - 07/24/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh, am I saying something? I really didn't think so. I am sorry that you go about in a state of irritability. I'm 62 years old and I haven't needed to defend myself too much - not beyond adolescence at any rate, and that formerly ended at age 25, 37 years ago. If your mind-set is still preoccupied with being "brutish in certain situations," you must be bound to your own identity of socio-biology. This is not an issue with me let alone any sort of preoccupation with potential violence. One does not have to hold on to a violent propensity just to live without fear. I distance myself from fear-laden, gun-packing acquaintances and from everyone else who indulges in martial attitudes. Fortunately, I have ben blessed, and must therefore be living in a state of grace, which is especially evident to me when I encounter those who still think they have to justify their preoccupation with violence. When it comes to people who broadcast a pathetic attempt at superiority over less violent individuals whom they condescendingly and contemptuously regard as weak (i.e., pussies), the ONLY recourse I have is subtle humor. It is pathetic because such people are so threatened that they have to attempt to base their sense of identity on physical violence and survival. This is a 1st chakra identity, and if you know the locus of the 1st chakra, you should see the humor of why someone who identifies with 1st chakra motives deserves the colloquial appellation appropriate to that locus.


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21994899 - 07/25/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think youre overstating my preoccupation with violence. I tend to be a pretty relaxed person and i dont really identify much with my sociobiological identity insofar as much as i have to in order to function like a normal person in the world. Likewise, i wont attack a person unless i understand that i have to in order to function in the world or uphold a moral value. Are you a pacifist?


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: saenchai]
    #21996599 - 07/25/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Life all about balance imo. You can be too much of  a pacifist and let someone slap you around endlessly and the slapper might learn something after you're dead and even then, maybe not even.

Sometimes you have to fight back (what I hate doing) because it turns me into the person i despise myself... 

Being male does not mean you have to be assertive and all up in someones face all the time just as being female doesn't mean you have to be submissive. Imho... we all have feminine and masculine traits in us and negative as well as positive forces present in all.

But really... Why the heck anyone would want to choose brute force over peace on earth is beyond me. Call it a male trait or whatever but I think it could be looked at as pretty feminine

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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Leviticus969]
    #21998376 - 07/26/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The capacity to defend oneself vs not wanting to ever have to is an interesting dilemma IMO. Obviously in this world there will always be those who would use violence against you, and for many of my years as an adolescent and young man I lived very deeply in that world. So obviously I adapted and learned how to 'look after myself' - IME, this manifests as much in an appearance or reputation as in the ability to defend oneself.

Fast forward to my more mature state of mind, and I do feel that all of that is quite undesirable, and I wish that I never have to use physical force again as long as I shall live. However there have been instances still where violence has come my way. I try my absolute best to diffuse these situations with speech alone, but to an incensed human, that is often not enough; one has to be able to apply just enough force to stop oneself from coming to harm at the hands of another.

Should this be something one is therefore prepared for? Or should this be something that one should simply have faith that their benign state of mind will lead to a lack violence in their life?


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: Leviticus969] * 1
    #21998408 - 07/26/15 04:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Personally, I think the only people who qualify as "pansies" are people who are annoyed by and spend time complaining about people that they think are "pansies" or "pussies."

We're adults. Someone isn't acting how you like? Well boo fucking hoo get the fuck over it, grow some balls, and move on. Anyone who is annoyed by this shit or complains about it is a fucking pussy.


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: nooneman]
    #21999766 - 07/26/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If youre saying you've never been annoyed by passive aggressive behavior towards you, I don't believe you. Annoyance can be a healthy recognition that what someone is trying to do to you in different situations you might meet in life is wrong and needs to be dealt with either confronting them or cutting them out of your life. You can't overestimate what a fucking drain these types can be to your well being. Sometimes the behavior is so subtle people don't even recognize it.

Maybe I'm a little sore from having to deal with a bunch of these types in the past. A bunch of my family members, peers, and school teachers were like that. Most of the time they were just jealous of me for my intelligence or happiness or whatever quality they were projecting onto me as if they didnt have it themselves already. They wanted to cut me down so they could deal with their sense of lack. As dumb as that sounds, that is literally what happened. I struggled for a few years to wrap my head around how grown adults can be so fucking selfish and infantile, to their own children and friends no less.

Fuck what you're saying, I take that shit seriously and it doesn't make me a "pussy", which is pretty loosely defined in this thread. I have my own definition of it. I think if you're an adult and can't feel OK with out needing to cut others down or try to take advantage vs owning who you are, you're a fucking pussy but that isn't necessarily what everybody is talking about in this thread. It's like a subset of emotionally toxic pussies. I don't judge anybody for being any kind of way until the way they are is a bad influence on me. Otherwise I wouldn't give a shit


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Re: Cant deal with pansies [Re: saenchai]
    #21999944 - 07/26/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think youre overstating my preoccupation with violence. I tend to be a pretty relaxed person and i dont really identify much with my sociobiological identity insofar as much as i have to in order to function like a normal person in the world. Likewise, i wont attack a person unless i understand that i have to in order to function in the world or uphold a moral value. Are you a pacifist?




Here is an eye-opener: I was not writing about YOU! :foreheadslap: I'm writing about types, principles, tendencies in the abstract. I am not even thinking about who YOU might be personally, but I suppose if the shoe fits, you'll just put it on and wear it. :lol: Pacifism tends to be associated with timidity or cowardice. I do not label myself a pacifist, but I certainly do not assume a militarist stance in life, nor carry a weapon. I was prepared to go to Vietnam (as stupid as that sounds to me now), but fortunately I wasn't called.  I have long been experimenting with subtle planes, like not harboring contempt for people while feigning a smile, but rather being authentic. Love your [potential] enemies. Deceit tends to attract predation. People say "I wasn't doing anything when he attacked me." Yes you were, subtly, with micro-expressions, with fear-based aversive body language and glandular scents saying "I'm afraid of you so I hate you." Instant target. I do not walk around with anger, neither does the act of fighting hold any interest for me, so I do not keep it in mind. As Sun Tzu said: "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."  Have I learned some Judo and Jujitsu in my youth? Yes. I even had an impromptu lesson in Kung-Fu snake-hand (my Chinese zodiacal animal). Would I street-fight if I or my wife was assaulted? Yes. But this is all I care to discuss on the matter because it requires that I entertain thoughts of fighting and violence, howsoever briefly. :nono:


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    #22000140 - 07/26/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, I understand you were not originally writing about me but I disagreed with your position. You were definitely addressing me in your last post.

If you can justify any capacity for effective self defense you have, you can't criticize anybody for developing that capacity within themselves to whatever level of effectiveness they choose to develop. Refusing to think about fighting and violence isn't a moral high ground, neither is dealing with the reality of its existence in the world.


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    #22000153 - 07/26/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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"pussy", which is pretty loosely defined in this thread.




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    #22000521 - 07/26/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes, I understand you were not originally writing about me but I disagreed with your position. You were definitely addressing me in your last post.

If you can justify any capacity for effective self defense you have, you can't criticize anybody for developing that capacity within themselves to whatever level of effectiveness they choose to develop. Refusing to think about fighting and violence isn't a moral high ground, neither is dealing with the reality of its existence in the world.




I have not criticized you or anyone else who practices martial arts. I am simply not interested. But I disagree with you on the morality of it. It is a higher moral ground to participate in a non-combative life. I embrace non-violence, ahimsa, as a very high moral principle. I did not develop my personality imprinting Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris films. I know a Krav Maga expert (Moti Horenstein)*, and I know an Aikido expert locally, which of all the martial arts I find that one to be the most humane, but I certainly am not going to spend the time and money to become adept at it. I visited the Aikido teacher at his home once, and we used to be FB friends, but I do not mesh well with those whose personality is constellated around the Manipura chakra/Hara/Lower Tan T'ien, whether they are martial artists or aggressive lawyers, sports fanatics or cops. The entire Adlerian Will-to-Power trip, and a trip that seeks to cultivate Bodhicitta (Heart-Mind) or whatever one wishes to call being centered on Compassion, is like oil and water. I also notice a direct correlation with conservative politics (Republican and Libertarian) in many instances and this particular personality type.

A martial spirit also tends to be a way more extraverted stance than I embody. One might be reserved in one's actions, yet one always considers violent confrontation to be a real option. Obviously, if someone is coming at you, I find it acceptable to take evasive action just as I would on the highway if a car was coming at me. But I don't go into empty parking lots to practice swerving techniques in case a drunk or a cell-phone zombie crosses the white line. I do my thing, you do your thing. I have no thought to criticize you or anyone else about being martial. This is recognized in India, but unfortunately it became fossilized into the notion of caste. There ARE warrior types, and I do not identify as being one, even if I possess some potential for it. Only a grievously unfortunate event would elicit violent behavior for the defense of self or other. It is better for a psychopath to perish than a non-psychopath. :shrug:



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