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Gun Control, does it work?
    #2197424 - 12/23/03 07:47 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

hope you like this one

In England, gun control is serious business. This doesn?t make it any less violent, it just means that wrong-doers have to be creative when it comes to weaponry. Authorities recently received a complaint from a 21-year-old man saying he been attacked and bitten by a man wielding a toaster. The incident, which resulted in the theft of $18 and a gold chain, took place in Coventry, 95 miles northwest of London


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Granola]
    #2197427 - 12/23/03 07:49 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

When toasters are outlawed, only criminals will have toasters.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Granola]
    #2197439 - 12/23/03 08:02 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: ]
    #2197441 - 12/23/03 08:04 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Edit your link so it works.

Never mind.... here ya go.

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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2197448 - 12/23/03 08:07 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

the page you're linked to there (spelled with an "s") is a different organization with a different page. it's a gun training school in arizona or something.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: ]
    #2197457 - 12/23/03 08:18 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

OK try clicking your link.

It the meantime I'll fix mine.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2197464 - 12/23/03 08:24 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

fixed. thanks.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Granola]
    #2197504 - 12/23/03 08:54 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I'd rather they came at me with toasters than guns.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2197513 - 12/23/03 08:59 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

If I'm in my house and they come at me with a toaster, I'll be glad to have one of my guns handy to pistol whip them with.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #2197518 - 12/23/03 09:00 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

You could throw two slices of bread at them  :smile2:


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Granola]
    #2197532 - 12/23/03 09:10 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Personally, I think all guns should be illegal...in addition, I think that we should all be implanted with paralysis devices at birth, and we should have to apply to the local authorities to be able to move around, urinate, etc....

I don't care if I have to be chained to a bed and fed intravenously...as long as my government keeps me safe!


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Enlil]
    #2197543 - 12/23/03 09:16 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

haha.

but really. that's not even the issue with guns. it's not that you'd be giving up freedom for security. gun control laws do not make you safer. if that was the case, their proponents might actually have an argument.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: ]
    #2197566 - 12/23/03 09:32 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Of course they dont...but that is the major selling point of it...it is the same political argument over and over...three children were kidnapped and hacked to pieces, so we need to have stricter controls over television. Gangs are out of control, so we need tougher drug laws...Bananas are dying as a species, so we need warning lables on toasters...


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Enlil]
    #2197581 - 12/23/03 09:41 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I think if a guy came at me with a toaster i'd start laughing and tease him until he left ashamed that he's holding a toaster.

then shoot him in the back with my gun.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2197672 - 12/23/03 10:35 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Look...I think we can all agree that all toasters aren't "bad"...But lets face it...what legitimate purpose can the average homeowner have for one of those giant conveyor belt toasters? I'm not saying that all toasters should be banned, but there has to be some reasonable middle ground.

I realize that this country has a long tradition of toasting its bread, pop tarts, bagels, english muffins, and yes...even eggos...I am not talking about that kind of toasting....

Unless you own a quiznos, I just dont see why you would need automatic feed toasters...It is a reasonable compromise of my rights to regulate such things.

Not to mention the media...You cant turn on a television anymore without seeing someone with a toaster...it makes the whole thing more glamorous and surreal. I think that people today arent cognizant of the reality of how much damage toasters do every year. Not to mention the inadvertant toastings when children see the parents using the toaster and end up playing with it when the parents arent watching.

How many people have to get injured, scarred, or worse before this country realizes that we no longer need toasters for survival?


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Enlil]
    #2197680 - 12/23/03 10:38 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Enlil]
    #2197777 - 12/23/03 11:48 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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I just dont see why you would need automatic feed toasters...It is a reasonable compromise of my rights to regulate such things.





dont dorget to implement a ban on 'hi-capacity' toasters, is there really a need for 4-6 slices at once!


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Granola]
    #2197987 - 12/23/03 01:35 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

also, dont forget to ban ultra-quiet toasters and toasters that can toast bread in 10 seconds...



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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: automan]
    #2198287 - 12/23/03 04:06 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Thumbs up all around on the toaster ban humor, keep it up :smile:


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Granola]
    #2198367 - 12/23/03 04:51 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Granola said:
hope you like this one

In England, gun control is serious business. This doesn?t make it any less violent, it just means that wrong-doers have to be creative when it comes to weaponry. Authorities recently received a complaint from a 21-year-old man saying he been attacked and bitten by a man wielding a toaster. The incident, which resulted in the theft of $18 and a gold chain, took place in Coventry, 95 miles northwest of London




What do you mean exactly by "does gun control work?" It works great at preventing honest, law-abiding citizens, the majority of the gun owners now, from owning guns. It might work at lowering the number of gun crimes, but more crime will take it's place, as in people with knives instead of guns. It would work fantastically if a dictator wanted to restrict all possible methods of uprising in the citizenry, so he enacted it.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2198486 - 12/23/03 06:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

All this toaster talk is making me scared, I'm glad i have my gun. :thumbup:


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Granola]
    #2198569 - 12/23/03 07:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Depends on what kind of gun control you are talking about...

Here in Canada, we have two classes of gun licence (and you HAVE to have a licence...) Restricted and Un-Restricted.

With an Un-Restricted licence, you are only alowed to buy hunting rifles and shotguns, I think. With a Restricted you are alowed to have handguns and such. It's harder to get your restricted licence than an un-restricted licence.

Personally, I believe that some gun-control is necessary at this time. Some people are too stupid to own firearms, and some people are too dangerous to own firearms.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: trendal]
    #2198581 - 12/23/03 07:19 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)


If someone has a history of mental illness (specific types of illness, of course, and recent, not 20 years ago), or if they are a convicted (imo, should be edited to convicted VIOLENT felon) felon, they can not possess firearms.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: enimatpyrt]
    #2198620 - 12/23/03 07:44 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, and you also have to have two (or more?) people sign your gun-licence application to state that you will not harm yourself or another with any gun you possess. :smirk:


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: trendal]
    #2198661 - 12/23/03 08:02 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

But in the end, isn't it all rhetoric? How is requiring a license going to stop anything? If I am going to shoot someone, I have pretty much decided that following societies rules isn't a high priority in my life. It isn't hard to get guns, and it isn't going to get harder. On the contrary, it will continue to get easier and easier to acquire better and better weapons. This is the real world.

When the pigs that "serve and protect" my city lay down their guns, so will I...until then, I will keep my guns...

My toasters on the other hand...I will give those up in the interest of a safer society.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Enlil]
    #2198717 - 12/23/03 08:37 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Actually, it is hard to get guns here in Canada...and just about all the guns on "the street" come up here from the USA anyway :frown:


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: trendal]
    #2198750 - 12/23/03 09:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

It's hard to get guns legally in Canada. It's a piece of cake to get them on the black market. Slightly more difficult to find a seller than in the US, and slightly more expensive, but not really to the point where it inconveniences you that much.

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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Enlil]
    #2198892 - 12/23/03 11:10 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

It isn't hard to get guns

Depends where you are. In the UK it's incredibly hard to get guns. Buying off the black market you'll often find reactivated replica guns that are more than likely to blow your hand off the first time you fire them.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2199460 - 12/24/03 08:56 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Well, it hasnt been difficult for many of my associates in the uk to acquire various firearms...maybe your budget is too low?


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Enlil]
    #2199478 - 12/24/03 09:06 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

You sure these associates are telling you the truth?


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2199487 - 12/24/03 09:09 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Seeing as I've read about guns flowing into the UK with nary a mention of them blowing up in peoples hands, I know who I'd guess is telling the truth.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2199492 - 12/24/03 09:15 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

And yet gun-related crime makes up only 0.003% of the crimes faced by the Metropolitan police. Much of which is related to drug-dealing gangs.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2199498 - 12/24/03 09:18 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I've read otherwise. Even if you're correct how does that show that guns aren't flowing in and that those that are blow up in peoples hands?


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    #2199506 - 12/24/03 09:20 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

First, let's put this into perspective: a Metropolitan police spokesman has said that gun-related crime only accounts for 0.003% of all crimes they deal with. Yes, it would appear that gun crime is increasing, but from a very small base. It is not a time to panic. Also we should remember that most gun crime relates to the illegal drugs trade, which is mainly controlled by foreign gangs, for whom guns are a regular part of the business. Drug dealers have been shooting each other for some time, without the media and Home Office attention suddenly being lavished upon them.

http://society.guardian.co.uk/drugsandalcohol/comment/0,8146,871300,00.html

Clearly if guns were "flowing" into the UK black market they would be being used more often.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2199516 - 12/24/03 09:23 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

That's right Alpo, failure to use something is of course proof it doesn't exist.

On a side note..... why is it you only believe government statistics when they seem to back up your preconceived notions.

Alpo: The government lies! (except when they say what I want them to say. Then they are completely honest)


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2199526 - 12/24/03 09:27 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

If you read the quote you would see it wasn't government figures, it was Metropolitan police figures.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2199528 - 12/24/03 09:28 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

And in England the police is a private orginization? No connection to government at all?


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2199535 - 12/24/03 09:34 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I love to watch you two bicker, but the simple fact is that there has been no relation shown in any country between the number of guns per capita and the amount of gun related crime. So what does it matter if everyone has a gun? Besides...guns don't kill people...Bullets kill people...


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Enlil]
    #2199545 - 12/24/03 09:40 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

So a bullet leaps up by itself and kills someone? Surely it must require the help of a person?


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2199552 - 12/24/03 09:44 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

And in England the police is a private orginization? No connection to government at all?

And your proof that the figures arn't correct?


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2199555 - 12/24/03 09:47 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I've posted them here before. Use the search function.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2199560 - 12/24/03 09:49 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Well...where i grew up, we were very poor...we had to insert the bullets manually...some used hammers...I always was partial to the drill/insert method.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2199562 - 12/24/03 09:51 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Tell me though Alpo..... when did the police in the UK stop being a part of the government?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2199985 - 12/24/03 03:25 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Frankly, I feel a lot safer knowing that most people around me DON'T own a gun. The way
it's set up in the States is spooky, lethal weapons in the hands of every halfwit fascist
goon in the whole country. I'm happy to stay up here in Canada and let you yanks blow each
others' heads off all you like. Just don't get any on me, eh?


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2200420 - 12/24/03 11:38 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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And in England the police is a private orginization? No connection to government at all?




Dont laugh yet, Probation/Parole in many states have gone to private companies recently, police may be next.


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Enlil]
    #2200424 - 12/24/03 11:40 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Besides...guns don't kill people...Bullets kill people...




Guns dont kill people...I kill people!


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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Granola]
    #2200706 - 12/25/03 04:50 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Oh, I'm not laughing. However, they are not now. Sounds like you got the point though, even if another did not.


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