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 Re: Gun Control, does it work?  [Re: enimatpyrt]
#2198486 - 12/23/03 07:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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All this toaster talk is making me scared, I'm glad i have my gun. 
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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Granola]
#2198569 - 12/23/03 08:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Depends on what kind of gun control you are talking about...
Here in Canada, we have two classes of gun licence (and you HAVE to have a licence...) Restricted and Un-Restricted.
With an Un-Restricted licence, you are only alowed to buy hunting rifles and shotguns, I think. With a Restricted you are alowed to have handguns and such. It's harder to get your restricted licence than an un-restricted licence.
Personally, I believe that some gun-control is necessary at this time. Some people are too stupid to own firearms, and some people are too dangerous to own firearms.
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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: trendal]
#2198581 - 12/23/03 08:19 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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If someone has a history of mental illness (specific types of illness, of course, and recent, not 20 years ago), or if they are a convicted (imo, should be edited to convicted VIOLENT felon) felon, they can not possess firearms.
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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: enimatpyrt]
#2198620 - 12/23/03 08:44 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, and you also have to have two (or more?) people sign your gun-licence application to state that you will not harm yourself or another with any gun you possess. 
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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: trendal]
#2198661 - 12/23/03 09:02 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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But in the end, isn't it all rhetoric? How is requiring a license going to stop anything? If I am going to shoot someone, I have pretty much decided that following societies rules isn't a high priority in my life. It isn't hard to get guns, and it isn't going to get harder. On the contrary, it will continue to get easier and easier to acquire better and better weapons. This is the real world.
When the pigs that "serve and protect" my city lay down their guns, so will I...until then, I will keep my guns...
My toasters on the other hand...I will give those up in the interest of a safer society.
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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Enlil]
#2198717 - 12/23/03 09:37 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Actually, it is hard to get guns here in Canada...and just about all the guns on "the street" come up here from the USA anyway 
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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: trendal]
#2198750 - 12/23/03 10:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's hard to get guns legally in Canada. It's a piece of cake to get them on the black market. Slightly more difficult to find a seller than in the US, and slightly more expensive, but not really to the point where it inconveniences you that much.
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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Enlil]
#2198892 - 12/24/03 12:10 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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It isn't hard to get guns
Depends where you are. In the UK it's incredibly hard to get guns. Buying off the black market you'll often find reactivated replica guns that are more than likely to blow your hand off the first time you fire them.
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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Xlea321]
#2199460 - 12/24/03 09:56 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, it hasnt been difficult for many of my associates in the uk to acquire various firearms...maybe your budget is too low?
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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Enlil]
#2199478 - 12/24/03 10:06 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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You sure these associates are telling you the truth?
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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Xlea321]
#2199487 - 12/24/03 10:09 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seeing as I've read about guns flowing into the UK with nary a mention of them blowing up in peoples hands, I know who I'd guess is telling the truth.
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And yet gun-related crime makes up only 0.003% of the crimes faced by the Metropolitan police. Much of which is related to drug-dealing gangs.
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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Xlea321]
#2199498 - 12/24/03 10:18 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've read otherwise. Even if you're correct how does that show that guns aren't flowing in and that those that are blow up in peoples hands?
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Xlea321
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First, let's put this into perspective: a Metropolitan police spokesman has said that gun-related crime only accounts for 0.003% of all crimes they deal with. Yes, it would appear that gun crime is increasing, but from a very small base. It is not a time to panic. Also we should remember that most gun crime relates to the illegal drugs trade, which is mainly controlled by foreign gangs, for whom guns are a regular part of the business. Drug dealers have been shooting each other for some time, without the media and Home Office attention suddenly being lavished upon them.
http://society.guardian.co.uk/drugsandalcohol/comment/0,8146,871300,00.html
Clearly if guns were "flowing" into the UK black market they would be being used more often.
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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Xlea321]
#2199516 - 12/24/03 10:23 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's right Alpo, failure to use something is of course proof it doesn't exist.
On a side note..... why is it you only believe government statistics when they seem to back up your preconceived notions.
Alpo: The government lies! (except when they say what I want them to say. Then they are completely honest)
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Xlea321
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If you read the quote you would see it wasn't government figures, it was Metropolitan police figures.
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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Xlea321]
#2199528 - 12/24/03 10:28 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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And in England the police is a private orginization? No connection to government at all?
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Xlea321]
#2199535 - 12/24/03 10:34 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I love to watch you two bicker, but the simple fact is that there has been no relation shown in any country between the number of guns per capita and the amount of gun related crime. So what does it matter if everyone has a gun? Besides...guns don't kill people...Bullets kill people...
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Re: Gun Control, does it work? [Re: Enlil]
#2199545 - 12/24/03 10:40 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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So a bullet leaps up by itself and kills someone? Surely it must require the help of a person?
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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And in England the police is a private orginization? No connection to government at all?
And your proof that the figures arn't correct?
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