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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: koods] 1
#21976391 - 07/21/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Or ask for I.D.
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: Amanita86]
#21976495 - 07/21/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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To everyone who has ever worked as a cashier:
Do people ever actually get mad when you ask for ID? Is this a thing?
I get surprised when I am not asked for ID, because i know they can lose their job for not asking me, even if i go in there everyday and buy the same thing
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: MilkdudTitties]
#21976516 - 07/21/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, I got really bent out of shape recently when they wouldn't sell me a pack of cigarettes without my ID. I'm 45 fucking years old. Obviously, I look half my age.
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: MilkdudTitties]
#21976539 - 07/21/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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MilkdudTitties said: To everyone who has ever worked as a cashier:
Do people ever actually get mad when you ask for ID? Is this a thing?
I get surprised when I am not asked for ID, because i know they can lose their job for not asking me, even if i go in there everyday and buy the same thing
Yes they get mad. I never bothered to ID anyone that was obviously over 21, but even still I got bitched at a good 30% of the time for asking for ID. People will start insulting you, screaming and cussing you out for IDing them, like it's YOUR fault they decided to leave their ID at home.
"You're really going to make me drive all the fucking way back home to get my goddamned ID?! Where the fuck is your manager?! I want to talk to them NOW!!!". Then they yell at the manager about what a shitty human being you are for IDing them.
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: Shroomslip]
#21976948 - 07/21/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've never gotten yelled at. I think people get slightly annoyed because they just want to pay and get out rather than take out their wallet and pull the I.d. Out of its little slot.
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: Shining Cosmos]
#21976994 - 07/21/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I suppose I should add that it's really only the people who don't actually have it on them (or a valid one) that start yelling and shit. Slightly annoyed might describe someone who is just too lazy to take the thing out. Ask for ID and get an expired ID or one missing the birth date or they just don't have one at all, and it tends to result in me getting yelled and cussed at.
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So, you pretty much did absolutely everything wrong in the book.
- Sold alcohol to underage / possible undercovers - check - Said underage kids you didn't card were obviously drunk - check - Wrote your personal cell number on the receipt because they "asked". - check Do you just give out your cell number to every drunken sketchball? - Talked to the cops and told them stuff. - check
Jesus christ man.
Ever heard the phrase... anything you say CAN and WILL be used against you in a court of law. Yeah....
I grew up in VA. They do NOT fuck around when it comes to alcohol laws.
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Really man? So you think that I was partly responsible for what THEY did? They could have got someone to buy them the beer and were already drunk when they entered the store...
Yea really if VAs laws are anything like PAs then yea it could come back on you for serving a visibly intoxicated person. And if they hire a good civil attorney they could sue you. You were the last one to sell to them so who's to say they didn't get everything from you?
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: r00tuuu123]
#21977661 - 07/21/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Burke Dennings said: OP, you need a lawyer?
Have you ever stuck a carrot up your ass and taken a picture of it?
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Burke Dennings said: OP, you need a lawyer?
Have you ever stuck a carrot up your ass and taken a picture of it?
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Burke Dennings said: OP, you need a lawyer?
Have you ever stuck a carrot up your ass and taken a picture of it?
No, why?
And since this is my first offence,
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Really man? So you think that I was partly responsible for what THEY did? They could have got someone to buy them the beer and were already drunk when they entered the store...
Yea really if VAs laws are anything like PAs then yea it could come back on you for serving a visibly intoxicated person. And if they hire a good civil attorney they could sue you. You were the last one to sell to them so who's to say they didn't get everything from you?
Come back on me how? He was a felonous credit card thief, all I did was give in to his demands. Could have been that he was "visibly intoxicated" but I never told the cop that I thought he was. I said he was acting bizzare. I never smelled the alcohol on his breath.
Another thing I want to mention is the girl he was with had a fake ID saying she was 21.
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I had an issue with a cashier at a store I frequently go to, when I was there one night buying some beer. After over a couple of years of going to this certain gas station, I was finally recognized by the whole rotation of cashiers (or so I thought). That night when I went in, I didnt have my ID and sure enough it was a cashier that rarely worked there for whatever reason, and he didn't know me. That made me a little heated more than anything.
I told him straight up "You never work here, I know every other cashier by name except you, this has to be your 2nd job."
Had to go back to get my ID, but when I gave it to him I looked him dead in the eyes and said "Now you know." Felt good.
If you go to a gas station where you aren't a regular, you have no reason to be upset that you are carded but if its a place where you go ALL THE TIME, why wouldnt it piss you off if you suddenly got carded in a chance surprise that it was someone that was new/hadnt worked in forever.
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Why not just bring your ID when you know you could be carded instead of just relying on someone knowing you? It's not the store's (or it's employees) responsibility to remember every single person who comes in and sell them alcohol/tobacco without ID simply because they come in all the time and "know everyone else". That's probably one of the things people would say that pissed me off the most when I demanded ID. Good for you, you come in all the time and people recognize you, I don't and I'm not putting my ass on the line like the OP has just to let you get your cigarettes or beer.
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Come back on me how? He was a felonous credit card thief, all I did was give in to his demands. Could have been that he was "visibly intoxicated" but I never told the cop that I thought he was. I said he was acting bizzare. I never smelled the alcohol on his breath.
Another thing I want to mention is the girl he was with had a fake ID saying she was 21.
Not saying you did anything wrong. But selling liquor you are held to a higher standard than most. If the guy was acting strange by the regulations you could turn him down. If he wanted a box of 9mm ammo would you have sold it to him even if he asked for your # ? Not saying you were wrong or right just saying maybe think thrice.
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: r00tuuu123]
#21978055 - 07/21/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It wasn't liquor it was beer. I was scared and did was he wanted by writing down my phone number.
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You probably shouldn't have done that.
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SpiritualWarrior said: It wasn't liquor it was beer. I was scared and did was he wanted by writing down my phone number.
Scared of what? That he may puke on you?
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If you felt cornered you can always write a fake number. In case something like this ever happens in the future and you're the only one in the store etc..
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Dude you keep saying this. I was scared, I did what he wanted. DON'T. If you can't refuse a customer's demands, then find some other line of work, you're only going to end up further fucking yourself over. You're going to get a bunch of customers who will try to talk you into breaking state law or store policy, and the only person who really pays for it when you do, is you.
I'm very non-confrontational generally and will go to pretty great lengths to avoid conflict, but when it came to working retail and selling alcohol/tobacco, I grew a pair pretty instantly. I'm not risking jail/probation/fines just because some customer wants to get all huffy about me refusing a sale. I followed law and store policy to the letter and (before I was a manager anyways) if a customer had a problem with it and didn't just storm out of the store, it was always "manager to the front please".
Managers job to deal with those types of people, so let them deal with it. Eventually it became my job to deal with those kinds of people and I didn't let up even then. Cashier called me to the front for some irate customer (when the cashier was in the right all along) I backed my cashier 100% of the time. As a cashier you technically can't or aren't supposed to ask someone to leave. As a manager you can.
So yeah, if you know they're trying to do some shady shit, refuse it. If it becomes an issue after you refuse, call the manager and let them deal with it. It's not your job to jump through hoops for customers and break laws and policy. Actually just the opposite. It's your job to ensure laws and policy are upheld.
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: Shroomslip]
#21978111 - 07/21/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So it doesn't matter then if the person buying the beer also was a credit card thief and used that to buy it?
Do I say that he showed ID but it was fake ID? Wtf do I say or do? He was still underage... and even tho the cameras aren't good that's still what they're gonna use in court. I did card him but his ID must have been fake. The other person with him had a fake ID too.
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: Amanita86]
#21978134 - 07/21/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: You probably shouldn't have done that.
This isn't even the crux of the investigation. The phone number thing has LITTLE to do with anything at all. Its not important.
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At this point honestly (and this is what I WOULD DO, I dunno if it's the best course of action) I'd let the cops file whatever charges and put out whatever warrant they plan to, I would check up on it daily (you can access warrants through your county's website in most cases) and as soon as I saw it was up, I would go post a no jail bond (basically posting bond before you're even caught and put in jail, can't remember the procedure but I'm sure any bail bondsman could tell you) and then I'd get a lawyer.
Also, no it doesn't matter if he bought the alcohol with a stolen credit card. That does not get you off the hook in any shape or fashion. It doesn't nullify that you sold alcohol to an intoxicated person (proving this may be difficult though, so you have that on your side) it doesn't nullify that you sold alcohol to someone underage, and in no way shape or form should you admit you sold alcohol to someone with a fake ID.
Stop talking to the cops. Let them do what they're going to do and be prepared to respond to their actions. They could be bluffing about getting a warrant. They could just be trying to pressure you into admitting stuff you shouldn't be admitting to. They may not even have enough for the warrant or charges. But the more you talk to them the deeper a hole you're digging yourself.
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