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No sorry the details of all this is confusing to me, I have a hard time sorting it all out. Just stay calm and keep working. If this is about not carding it should be handled through your employer. If you're not involved in the fraud then you should have nothing to worry about unless you have some unexplained income or something, in which case we're probably not hearing the full story here.
In any case good luck. CC fraud is very serious and you should have been taking your company policy seriously and not cut corners just because you see other people doing it. I understand it's rough out there and you need a job, but it's clear there was something suspicious going on and you overlooked it because you were intimidated or didn't care. I'd take it as a hard won life lesson if I were you.
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moonrockmushy said: It's allright, you'll get through it. Just wait it out and see what happens. I've had police threaten to destroy me, they'll go to ridiculous lengths to fuck with you sometimes, so until you see the warrant just watch yourself and stay relaxed.
Are you still working the job? Have you actually been mailed the warrant or gotten any papers?
The cop said they would have a warrant by Friday did I not make this clear earlier?
I'm still working the job. It seems no one knows about anything there. I will have to see.
You got popped for selling to underage, and the shop knows nothing of it? I worked at a liquor store for two summers and the worst that happened was a $250 ticket that a manager got. That and I had to deny liquor to two dudes who ended up getting violent about it. The most that came out of that was the owner getting his gun from the car for the rest of the night.
Something else is going on here OP. If the cops wanted a warrant they'd have it, they wouldn't "have it by Friday". They're trying to make you sweat until you incriminate yourself on what you're not telling us.
I hope everything illegal is out of your house by now too, but we don't even know anyway I guess.
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If you suspect it's an undercover and you ask "are you old enought to buy liquor?" they have to answer honestly

No. Why would they have to tell the truth? what a silly assumption.
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21975854 - 07/21/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shining Cosmos said: And I work as a cashier as well. If you suspect it's an undercover and you ask "are you old enought to buy liquor?" they have to answer honestly. But normally the cops don't communicate with the store. They will just show up and arrest you.
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moonrockmushy said: No sorry the details of all this is confusing to me, I have a hard time sorting it all out. Just stay calm and keep working. If this is about not carding it should be handled through your employer. If you're not involved in the fraud then you should have nothing to worry about unless you have some unexplained income or something, in which case we're probably not hearing the full story here.
In any case good luck. CC fraud is very serious and you should have been taking your company policy seriously and not cut corners just because you see other people doing it. I understand it's rough out there and you need a job, but it's clear there was something suspicious going on and you overlooked it because you were intimidated or didn't care. I'd take it as a hard won life lesson if I were you.
I don't have anything to do with the fraud. The cop pretended or was asking me if I could be a witness to the fraud. The only thing I did wrong was not card these people, who were obviously very drunk when they came into the store. What I have to make clear is that these people were potentially violent and this is why I did not card them in order to whisk them out quickly. The cop on the phone wanted to ask if this was the case I did not say specifically that it was and I told the cop that he was hitting on me which was probably a bad idea and now I have two warrants out. Fuck.
Edit: I mean they were fucked up on something I honestly could not tell if it was alcohol they just were acting disorderly. He got up in my face and was like staring at me asking questions. It was kinda intimidating.
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: koods]
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This probably varies depending on jurisdiction, but the way I heard it went down in the store I worked at was they sent young looking people around to see if you're carding, and if you don't you get a "yellow card" which is a $50 fine out of your check and I think a couple hundo to the store, then if it happens again you get a red card which means you can't sell liquor anymore and if the store gets so many red cards it gets closed/heavily fined or whatever.
It might be different if they catch someone underage with liquor and they rat you out though. I know there are laws specifically for people who buy underage kids liquor and they're pretty serious. I don't know if that sort of thing would apply to a store though, I kinda think it would in a case like this, especially since it looks like there is a link between the seller and buyer that goes beyond the normal person walking into the store.
Also there are laws regarding selling to drunk people that might apply.
If it's a troll it's an interesting one.
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: Adden]
#21975862 - 07/21/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are you still working the job? Have you actually been mailed the warrant or gotten any papers?
The cop said they would have a warrant by Friday did I not make this clear earlier?
I'm still working the job. It seems no one knows about anything there. I will have to see.
You got popped for selling to underage, and the shop knows nothing of it? I worked at a liquor store for two summers and the worst that happened was a $250 ticket that a manager got. That and I had to deny liquor to two dudes who ended up getting violent about it. The most that came out of that was the owner getting his gun from the car for the rest of the night.
Something else is going on here OP. If the cops wanted a warrant they'd have it, they wouldn't "have it by Friday". They're trying to make you sweat until you incriminate yourself on what you're not telling us.
I hope everything illegal is out of your house by now too, but we don't even know anyway I guess.
Idk, it might take that many days to get a warrant I want to believe the cop because he makes it seem like it was true. He said it would be two warrants because both were underage. It seems the shop doesn't know anything about it, I even worked with my manager that same day I got the call and she said nothing to me about it.
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21975873 - 07/21/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe cops think the OP is part of the fraudulent card using and is in cahoots to push product out of his stores front door? I mean I just can't see why they'd be so interested in OP.
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: moonrockmushy]
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It might be different if they catch someone underage with liquor and they rat you out though. I know there are laws specifically for people who buy underage kids liquor and they're pretty serious. I don't know if that sort of thing would apply to a store though, I kinda think it would in a case like this, especially since it looks like there is a link between the seller and buyer that goes beyond the normal person walking into the store.
Also there are laws regarding selling to drunk people that might apply.
If it's a troll it's an interesting one.
The only link between seller and buyer is just random happenstance. I had no idea who these people were before they came into the store, never seen them in my life.
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wait... was there one sale or two?
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: koods]
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OP GET A FUCKING LAWYER
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: Adden]
#21975883 - 07/21/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe its cause the people who stole the card lied to the police about that.
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Okay then stop talking to them immediately. You have no obligation to talk to them... at all. Their intimidation tactics are working. Just leave it alone. Worst you get for underage fines is like maybe 100 bucks to you and a few hundred for the store. You don't get arrested, especially a warrant per head. Get a lawyer. You don't wanna get wrapped up into something that you allege quite literally had nothing to do with you.
Sad world when you need a lawyer when the worst thing you did was a citation. This is why you don't talk to cops.
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One sale. But they used two sales to get 40 dollars out with cash back.
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: Adden]
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Dys said: Okay then stop talking to them immediately. You have no obligation to talk to them... at all. Their intimidation tactics are working. Just leave it alone. Worst you get for underage fines is like maybe 100 bucks to you and a few hundred for the store. You don't get arrested, especially a warrant per head. Get a lawyer. You don't wanna get wrapped up into something that you allege quite literally had nothing to do with you.
Sad world when you need a lawyer when the worst thing you did was a citation. This is why you don't talk to cops.
Yeah I know this whole thing smells fishy.
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The only link between seller and buyer is just random happenstance. I had no idea who these people were before they came into the store, never seen them in my life.
I believe you, but you've got to think that your number on the receipt in your handwriting looks really bad. I doubt those guys would be smart enough to try and pin this on you, they wouldn't really benefit from that, so as long as you didn't implicate yourself in the fraud I think probably nothing will come of it.
If they want you to be a witness they shouldn't put you in a position of duress by filing charges. If they're filing charges, they suspect you of something and you should keep quiet because anything you say can be used against you, and their job isn't to take people at their word it is to use evidence to make a case against you.
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I tried but I can't until I have papers saying what the fuck the charges are. Called a place and he said that's what needed to happen.
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I tried but I can't until I have papers saying what the fuck the charges are. Called a place and he said that's what needed to happen.
At least stop talking to the police. If they call politely say you won't be speaking to them until you have a lawyer. Seriously, do not answer a single question.
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: moonrockmushy]
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What evidence do they have other than just the video camera?
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I tried but I can't until I have papers saying what the fuck the charges are. Called a place and he said that's what needed to happen.
I think that's probably the best advice. It's very possible the papers won't show up. Maybe those two guys will turn on eachother and take the heat off you. Watch your ass and start taking company policy seriously, that way if something comes of this your employers will be likely to see you just made a mistake and might keep you on.
It's possible you're being investigated right now. If a fraud occurred your employers will be involved, and as long as you're employed by them you have a common interest so just watch your ass and wait and see what happens. I'm not sure how you should handle it if they bring it up, my instinct would be tell the truth to your employer, but in this case the truth is... weird.
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Re: Sold Beer to Undercover Need Legal Advice [Re: koods]
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I tried but I can't until I have papers saying what the fuck the charges are. Called a place and he said that's what needed to happen.
At least stop talking to the police. If they call politely say you won't be speaking to them until you have a lawyer. Seriously, do not answer a single question.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they started wording questions like "You don't mind if we search your car" and the first thing on someone's mind is to say "no" to the search but just consented to it..
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