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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21977574 - 07/21/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I mean you said that and I explained how many people who blast don't understand it that way.
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: wigglewak]
#21977613 - 07/21/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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-shrug- its just freebase
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21977643 - 07/21/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: Your IV comparison isn't valid because we are talking about totally different ROA's.
I still believe that taking 2 consecutive hits of dmt will get you higher than 1 hit of the same amount. I believe this because its my personal experience and it makes sense logically.
smoking 50mg of dmt in 1 hit holding it in as long as you can isn't as efficient as smoking it in 2 hits holding those 2 hits in as long as you can. plain and simple.
Method of delivery is very important. If you are using a straight flame, then I agree, two hits are better because you end up burning off and wasting the majority of the hit. But if you build 'The Machine' (a glorified crack pipe) then the DMT melts on the coil and it all gets vaporized at once.
Yeah, hopefully people who have reported trying to get the full dose in one hit yet say it didn't give them full effects are indeed doing it properly. I know Bill has a lot more experience with DMT than I do and probably doesn't waste any, but this goes for others out there who are curious
Normally I just pour a pile into my pipe and keep hitting it until I break through, but if I am using a proper device for vaping and am not wasting any, I only put maybe 5-10mg extra because if you successfully absorb over 100mg of DMT, your heart will start to race and it can be dangerous
I have had it happen though, where I poured a large pile like normal and vaped it, except I managed to not burn any of it and got a huge dose in one hit, probably 80-90mg. The rush from a dose that high of pure DMT is not fun, you don't want to feel like your heart is about to blow out of your chest in hyperspace because you can't do SHIT except ride it out
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21977665 - 07/21/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: Your IV comparison isn't valid because we are talking about totally different ROA's.
I still believe that taking 2 consecutive hits of dmt will get you higher than 1 hit of the same amount. I believe this because its my personal experience and it makes sense logically.
smoking 50mg of dmt in 1 hit holding it in as long as you can isn't as efficient as smoking it in 2 hits holding those 2 hits in as long as you can. plain and simple.
that's my opinion and mine only. I see why people will disagree and I respect theirs as well.
Yeah it is a different ROA, but IVing and smoking most drugs (dmt especially) have nearly the same onset and intensity. I am only basing that off of my limited experience getting opiates shot into my arm in the ER once after a bad accident and from what other's have said, but my whole point is that iving and smoking aren't too different usually. I have smoked heroin and it was much more addicting than snorting it, it hit me instantly and I got a big rush from it, although I hear iv is still more intense.
Reading reports of IV DMT and comparing them to vaporized DMT though.... they are really the same. IV may have a tiny advantage of bypassing the 3-4 seconds it takes to fully absorb in your lungs, but once your lungs absorb the vapor, it goes right into the blood stream. I have never heard of someone slowly injecting DMT over the course of 20 seconds (approximately how long it takes to take 3 good tokes of deemz) but I have heard of people breaking through IVing dmt all in one dose many times
I do respect your opinion though, having all of the DMT hit you at once might not affect you personally the same way it does for most people
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21977673 - 07/21/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well i mostly just use the sprinkle or sandwhich method with some weed out of a pipe..so maybe 50mg in 1 hit with a machine can trigger a breakthrough
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21977718 - 07/21/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah that does work but you still get some waste using that method. Trust me, 50mg can blast you right through to the state everyone raves about. You can still waste using the machine too, but as long as you let it warm before getting on the coil full force, you'll get where you wanna go. You could even use the downstem of a bong to make one, I just don't like that taste lingering about
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21977740 - 07/21/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think the 3 hit method would be more effective especially since a lot of people that use dmt prefer that compared to dabbing or other routes of ingestion
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#21977748 - 07/21/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm trying to think how you could do an effective dab, but all these methods are just reinventing the wheel. Freebase is the same principle be it crack, crystal, or DMT. Vaporize it evenly without burning it
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21977811 - 07/21/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not sure how others dab DMT (freebase, goo is straightforward) but if you have a dabbing device, you could try heating it to like 120f or so and rolling it around in your dmt. It should melt just a little and then it will stick to the device, and then you just dab it on a nail (do not heat it a lot though, if it is red or white it will 100% burn some or most of your DMT)
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Bill_Oreilly said: Well i mostly just use the sprinkle or sandwhich method with some weed out of a pipe..so maybe 50mg in 1 hit with a machine can trigger a breakthrough 
This is how I did dmt my first few times, and I had to take 3 tokes to actually get all the DMT and some always got burnt. That is why I swapped to using a big pile instead of a weighed dose, because you just take as big of a first toke as you can and if you didn't managed to get a full 40-50 breakthrough dose you can just hit it again quickly.
I do weigh my doses when using the machine though, just because it is a lot easier to properly vaporize with a machine. I might add a few extra MG like I said (5-10mg) just incase some gets burned or doesn't want to vape easily so I can do 1 toke breakthroughs.
Do keep in mind though that whenever I have successfully vaped a full dose and got it all in one hit that the plume of vapor is pretty big. I have lived above 9000 feet my entire life so I have pretty large, strong lungs and it is still a little difficult to get that much DMT in one go. I also cough like a motherfucker after I exhale, while is annoying when you are breaking through, so I usually just take smaller hits to avoid all of that
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21978072 - 07/21/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have smoked a point in a bowl many times and never had the so called heart racing you speak of.
As for dabbing, in the past I have just poured pure crystal on a hot nail. It worked perfectly and I got it all in one hit. The experiences were some of the heaviest I've had with seriously monumental breakthroughs. It is actually a little too rough in my opinion and don't particularly enjoy dabbing it.
I like to smoke the occasional DMT blunt to my roommate and myself. We'll burn it out half way, ride the first wave, come down, re-light it and ride the second wave.
I have a friend who exclusively uses a meth pipe, I've tried it and am just not a fan. I don't like the overly oily feeling on my lips and I just don't like using it in general. I find after I take 1 hit, I have trouble heating it with the lighter to take the 2nd or 3rd
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: natedawgnow]
#21978115 - 07/21/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: I have smoked a point in a bowl many times and never had the so called heart racing you speak of.
As for dabbing, in the past I have just poured pure crystal on a hot nail. It worked perfectly and I got it all in one hit. The experiences were some of the heaviest I've had with seriously monumental breakthroughs. It is actually a little too rough in my opinion and don't particularly enjoy dabbing it.
I like to smoke the occasional DMT blunt to my roommate and myself. We'll burn it out half way, ride the first wave, come down, re-light it and ride the second wave.
I have a friend who exclusively uses a meth pipe, I've tried it and am just not a fan. I don't like the overly oily feeling on my lips and I just don't like using it in general. I find after I take 1 hit, I have trouble heating it with the lighter to take the 2nd or 3rd 
Hmm. Just curious, have you actually vaporized 100mg or so in a proper device to make sure none is actually wasted? I make big piles because I expect some to get wasted, but when I actually got a really good toke that managed to vape all the DMT I had in that one hit, it was really intense. The actual trip wasn't stronger or anything, but I just felt my heart racing and blood rushing super fast, and since I was in hyperspace when my heart is racing the fastest, I actually got scared for my physical body that I left behind because I couldn't move my hands to check my pulse or ask my friend if I looked okay.
It only happened once, but my heart was definitely beating really fast. With the same DMT, I could get a full breakthrough with a little over 40mg if I vaped it all perfectly so taking 150% more than the breakthrough dose doesn't really make me surprised that my heart was racing. Even a sub breakthrough dose of DMT increases heart rate significantly, if you have time, try to vape only like 20-30mg. You can still kind of move around and you are still in reality, so you can check your pulse or just do your normal dose and ask a friend to check it for you
I remember the first time I fucked up a whole pile of DMT once, it was the last 120mg I had and I planned to get two blast offs off of it but I accidently burned it and the ashes it was on top of and underneath were still black, so they actually embered and wasted my dmt. The hit I got was REALLY harsh, and I probably didn't get more than like 20mg or so but that was the first time I noticed my heartbeat on DMT, and even at 20mg it was pumping much faster than normal.
It only makes sense though... hyperspace is a pretty scary place to be and every DMT experience I have had didn't come without a bit of fear and anxiety, and when you are blasting off at infinite speed into a dimension you know nothing about no doubt causes a lot of adrenaline to pump through your brain, and that increases pulse significantly. DMT definitely causes a fight or flight response before, during, and even right after doing it, and when you have more than double a dose that gives you full access to the DMT experience, it causes your body to release more adrenaline than it would in lower doses
It might just be me though, but I did read of people experiencing similar effects at the 100mg dose
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21978130 - 07/21/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, I have my own little method to ensure thatit vapes instead of burns. I am pretty experienced with DMT and have experimented to the fullest capability with it. The only method of ingestion I have yet to explore is IV but I probably won't be doing that.
I think the heart racing is subjective. I have had my heart race on low doses where the body load was almost too much to handle. It happens but I don't think it's specifically a symptom of smoking over XX mg
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: natedawgnow]
#21978166 - 07/21/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Yes, I have my own little method to ensure thatit vapes instead of burns. I am pretty experienced with DMT and have experimented to the fullest capability with it. The only method of ingestion I have yet to explore is IV but I probably won't be doing that.
I think the heart racing is subjective. I have had my heart race on low doses where the body load was almost too much to handle. It happens but I don't think it's specifically a symptom of smoking over XX mg
Yeah I added more detail to that post about what might cause the heart racing. DMT is scary, and when your body suddenly goes faster than the speed of light into a realm which you have no knowledge or power in, your body will naturally release adrenaline in a fight or flight response.
It explains what might cause one's heart to beat faster than another who also does DMT, but csince the effects of 50mg dmt and 100mg are the same on the psychedelic level, my body must have been reacting to it in some other way that increased my pulse significantly. It might have just been fear that I knew that I took much more than a normal dose and I didn't know if it would affect me differently, but I will never know unless I try 100mg again with the intention to take that much, you don't want messages like "oh shit I took way too much DMT will I be okay" as you are about to blast off into the most powerful psychedelic experience there is
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21978234 - 07/21/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oook monster man, you can take a full point in under 30 seconds without wasting any? I would really be interested to see someone do this much at once. I've gotten a breakthrough on 30mg and one on 60-70mg. HUGE difference. A full point would be fucking NUTS.
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21978304 - 07/21/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The very first time I smoked DMT my friend loaded a whole point in a bowl for me and one for himself. My perception of reality was shattered that very first experience.
I'm not saying I smoke DMT like that every time, but if it's me and my roommate sharing a bowl, or if I feel like going for broke, which is not often as of late, I'll put a point in it.
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21978413 - 07/22/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oook monster man, you can take a full point in under 30 seconds without wasting any? I would really be interested to see someone do this much at once. I've gotten a breakthrough on 30mg and one on 60-70mg. HUGE difference. A full point would be fucking NUTS.
It was by total accident too, which is the weird thing.
I just pack 100mg when I want to use my weed smoking pipe because the method usually always causes some DMT to burn and get wasted, so I don't expect more than 60mg of it to actually reach my brain, but I must have held the flame and pulled on the pipe in a near perfect way, because I got all of it in one toke.
Looking back, it might of just been a better idea to stop inhaling and just let the melted dmt still in the bowl seep into the ashes for later use, but I guess it just didn't cross my mind.
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21978454 - 07/22/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats the thing with DMT, you don't want to do too little before the tolerance threshold kicks in. I was trying to find a balance that gives you a breakthrough level trip without being so damn jarring.
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21978481 - 07/22/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You just have to dive in and accept what comes next
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21978513 - 07/22/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rebelutionsssss said: You just have to dive in and accept what comes next 
Haha yeah, whatever happens happens, but it is always a good idea to try and prepare yourself.
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ZeroBoyWD said: Thats the thing with DMT, you don't want to do too little before the tolerance threshold kicks in. I was trying to find a balance that gives you a breakthrough level trip without being so damn jarring.
Definitely learned this quickly. After packing weighed out doses in a pipe and only getting a few successful blastoffs made me realize that if you are using a method that can burn or waste your dmt, you should always pack more because if you fuck up and only get like 20mg, you will have to wait about an hour to try again when all you had to do is compensate for potential error
Just light it up and keep hitting it until you break through, as long as you pack enough to be able to hit it over and over you should have a much higher success rate
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Re: How does smoking dmt on mushrooms or LSD compare to it by itself? [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21979043 - 07/22/15 05:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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For me its simple..eye out a good dose of sprinkled dmt over the whole top layer of the bowl and hit it 2 or 3 times..3 hits if the 1st or 2nd hits werent nice and big.
Theres usually always a little bit left as well.
I never ever had a problem with burning DMT..and i light it directly or just right above the dmt. What happens is the dmt infuses with the weed and makes for nice hits.
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