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Dr.Satan
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Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won
#21973681 - 07/20/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I posted a while back talking about a grey contam I had in one of my BRF jars. I left it outside since mycelium was also growing in the jar.
I kept an eye on it for awhile and noticed it was growing about 50/50 half contam half mycelium.
Today I look at it and it's 95% mycelium and 5% contam. Fully colonized.
Is it possible the mycelium devoured the contamination? I mean I'm obviously not going to put the cake in my SGFC, but I was surprised to see the mycelium won the fight.
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Re: Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won [Re: Dr.Satan]
#21973876 - 07/21/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Imdont think the mycelium actually eats the contam as its feeding off the nutrients from the cake. Likely the mycelium jut gets enough nutes from the cake to be bigger, faster, stronger and grow right over the contam. From the small amount of knowledge I have I think I remember seeing TC's say the contam is still there and will eventually take over once the mycelium has used up most of the nutes/h2o and becomes weak.
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Re: Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won [Re: Dr.Satan]
#21973895 - 07/21/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had my badass culture crawl over half a grain petri of birdseed covered in sporulating trich, take it over, and fruit profusely. Also, 3/4 of those cakes I re-pc'd and re-noc'd that had some mold growth are colonizing nicely with no signs of contam recovery.
Once the mush myc has taken it over completely, just throw a verm casing on top, put a soda bottle over it, leave it outside, n see what you get.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Dr.Satan
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Quote:
Machiavelliavore said:
Once the mush myc has taken it over completely, just throw a verm casing on top, put a soda bottle over it, leave it outside, n see what you get.
Will do. I have great faith in this mycelium
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Re: Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won [Re: Dr.Satan]
#21974010 - 07/21/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wonder if the trich has any effect on potency... Keep us updated!
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Dr.Satan
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Re: Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won [Re: Leviticus969]
#21974560 - 07/21/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just plopped the cake on a bed of cow manure and broke it up. The inside of the cake was pure mycelium. I probably shouldn't of broke it up, but curiosity got the best of me.
I misted the mycelium well and put a big trash bag over the bed. I don't really expect anything from it, but considering I don't have to do any work I figure it's worth leaving it there.
I will keep you guys posted if anything interesting happens with it. And to be perfectly clear; I realize this isn't an optimal environment for it, but even if the chance of seeing fruits from it are 1% it was still worth the 5 minute effort. Especially considering everyone's initial advice on the jar was to toss it so I pretty much wrote it off as a loss right then and there
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Re: Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won [Re: Dr.Satan]
#21974757 - 07/21/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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When people say toss it, they really just mean take it out of your house. Mixing in a bed is a great idea. Covering it will really increase chances too. Check out my contamination pile, covered with a tarp and a relative humidity of 1-10%. (Plant hardiness zone 2)
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21856836
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Re: Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won [Re: Mad Season]
#21974831 - 07/21/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whether it does well or not, the most important thing is to get any trich out of your house as soon as you discover it. The last thing you want is trich spores all over the damn place for future projects. (speaking painfully from experience!)
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Re: Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won [Re: gornyhuy]
#21974846 - 07/21/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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once you see trich, you'll never stop seeing it. Luckily I'm confident enough atm to not give a fuck. Figured out my entire procedure, so now trich is at a minimum. No bleach, oust, lysol or alcohol used. Took a few years tho.
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Re: Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won [Re: Mad Season]
#21975122 - 07/21/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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the cube myc didnt win no battle, its just like you putting on a hat to disguise the fact you have a gaping hole in your head. the hole's still there you just covered it
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Re: Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won [Re: spacechildo]
#21975131 - 07/21/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pics of it didn't happen. Trich is a facultative parasite of cubensis. Trich eats cubes, cubes don't win if you have trich
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Re: Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won [Re: bodhisatta]
#21975850 - 07/21/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I suspect one of two things.
1. It wasn't Trichoderma
2. It wasn't mushroom mycelium
FYI many molds including Trichoderma can produce a white mycelium.
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Re: Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won [Re: Kizzle]
#21975978 - 07/21/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushroom mycelium just grows over the trichoderma, not a big deal really, it would still contaminate after 1or2 flush
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Re: Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won [Re: Aero]
#21976097 - 07/21/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Literally impossible. That's what they're saying. There's way more molds other than trich that are green and granular. Also there are other molds that are white that aren't mycelium. Real trich will shred up cube mycelium
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Mad Season said: I wouldn't bother cutting it. Trich is parasitic. It's a lot more than that green spot. That's just the sporulation. Trich is actually white and it's definitely intertwined in your mycelium now.
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Re: Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won [Re: Mad Season]
#21976381 - 07/21/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had my myc win out over cobweb, but no never trich- look at those pics above. Trich is cubensis kryptonite.
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Re: Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won [Re: TravelAgency]
#21976512 - 07/21/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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 Cobweb is a shroomery term that doesn't mean cobweb disease but any mold with the characteristics of whispy fast off white growth
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (07/21/15 05:03 PM)
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Dr.Satan
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Re: Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won [Re: bodhisatta]
#21979589 - 07/22/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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In my old thread people identified it as cobweb mold, but none the less I definitely listened and got it out of the house immediately after reading that it was a contam. I was just super surprised to see areas that had full blown coverage of grey be replaced by myc. On the inside of the cake no traces of grey were found. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the contam was still present in there somewhere, but it's definitely not as bad as it was. I'll keep you guys posted about it's progress (or lack of). Sorry for not having pictures, but I didn't keep the picture I had on my phone that showed the grey contam so I figured posting the end result photo was worthless unless I manage to get it to fruit.
Also I'll check that out mad season, and thanks everybody for the feedback/input. I greatly appreciate everyone's 2 cents.
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Re: Contam vs mycelium = mycelium won [Re: Dr.Satan]
#21979721 - 07/22/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Molds don't usually take over each other since most mold like cubensis black the enzymes to break down other molds. Molds are made of chitin and cubes don't break chitin down. Trich has chitinase and that's why it can parasitize molds like cubensis. This is why molds run into each other and secrete metabolites
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (07/22/15 10:09 AM)
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