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My shrooms looks like 0,7cm long strings?!?!?!?
    #21973563 - 07/20/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hi

1st. Im growing Transkei and i read that its not domesticated yet fully so could that be it? Is Transkei hard to grow if you fck up something even a little?

2nd. Im using bulk substrate made of 240g coco coir, 1,2 liters vermiculite, 7,2dl drained coffee, 2dl gypsum and lastly 1,25 liters of WBS spawn. So its about 12 liters in volume in 15 liters tray.

3rd. Lights were on 24h/7 for 7 days, then i switched it to 12/12 and the "rope shrooms" showed up, 3 of them. They are 1cm in lenght and 0,1mm-0,2mm in diameter, that's why i call them ropes. It looks like it's trying really hard to grow but it cant. The mycelium looks good though. It has knots and its fully colonized.

4th. I have Floridan tray that i started fruiting at the same day as Transkei, with the same recipe as Transkei. The Floridan started to grow very poorly too. First i saw pins, then they stopped growing. The pins just were those little spots that just stopped growing. 3 days went by and then it started to grow new pins that eventually developed to shrooms. Even now the first pins that didn't grow are there. I got only 12g of dry shrooms from the Floridan tray when usually i have gotten about 70g-100g dry.

5th. There was a heat wave during that time i birthed the 2 trays. 26-30 celcius. I have fanned and sprayed the Fruiting Chambers 5-8 times a day. The FC is very basic, no holes or nothing. Only perlite on the bottom. 5cm.


Long post, i hope i provided enough info. The main thing is that what is up with that Transkei =) I have never seen anything like that.


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Re: My shrooms looks like 0,7cm long strings?!?!?!? [Re: ULTIMAH]
    #21973571 - 07/20/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Pictures would help.


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Re: My shrooms looks like 0,7cm long strings?!?!?!? [Re: ULTIMAH]
    #21973607 - 07/20/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thin wispy tall mushrooms and lots of aborts (undeveloped pins like you described) are both symptoms of CO2 buildup (aka lack of FAE=free air exchange,) which makes sense since you're just using a container with no venting.  Chambers like you described can work for small substrates like 1-2L worth of PF cakes, but will build up CO2 rapidly when you put 12L of substrate in there.  You are also misting WAY too much for a chamber with no venting, and thus next to no evaporation.

Look up a shotgun fruiting chamber (SGFC.)  It sounds like you have most of the materials, you just need to drill the holes and mist properly.  Normal fruits should appear.

Transkei is mostly called undomesticated because it has a tendency to overlay casing afaik.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: My shrooms looks like 0,7cm long strings?!?!?!? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #21973639 - 07/20/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have planning to make SGFC after this grow. I have succesfully growed maaaaaaaany trays with this FC, id say a 2 years now. Okay i thought that tranksei is rare and hard to grow cause it was marketed as "not domesticated", my bad.

The FC is big, 50 liters at least or maybe more. I can fit 2 of those 15 liter trays inside one if i had to but i wont cause then the perlite is under the trays :thumbdown:

The Tranksei tray is healthy, should i pick the "ropes" out of it and dunk it orrrr??? Dunno what to do. this is first time this happened.


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Re: My shrooms looks like 0,7cm long strings?!?!?!? [Re: MidwestShroomin]
    #21973654 - 07/20/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I know they would help, but pros can help without them. And if i had a camera i would take pics.


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Re: My shrooms looks like 0,7cm long strings?!?!?!? [Re: ULTIMAH]
    #21973699 - 07/20/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well, 24L of substrate is more than anyone would typically run in a 50L monotub.  It produces a lot of CO2.  Some genetics may be more sensitive to CO2 buidup than others (ie CO2 aborts, spindly shrooms)

Do you have yields from your previous grows?

Traskei isn't the most domesticated but I don't believe it usually has any issues producing well from multispore.  I've looked into it myself.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: My shrooms looks like 0,7cm long strings?!?!?!? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #21973788 - 07/21/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I know they would help, but pros can help without them.




:rofl2:


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Re: My shrooms looks like 0,7cm long strings?!?!?!? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21973793 - 07/21/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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blindingleaf said:
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I know they would help, but pros can help without them.




:rofl2:



Okay


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Re: My shrooms looks like 0,7cm long strings?!?!?!? [Re: ULTIMAH]
    #21973843 - 07/21/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

26-30 celcius.
^thats already a little high as am ambient temp.  the temp in a chamber with trays and no holes…gonna be higher.  high temps can stall growth if too high during pin formation IME.  once they get mature, seems like they don't care.  30c is too high IMO, u'd need to fan like a mofo at that temp.  try not misting as much if u don't have holes, u could be over saturating the surface, and w/o holes, slow but constant evaporation can't happen, the air is too saturated with moisture.  that will affect pinning.

the perlite won't do much w/o holes, except make the stagnant air in the chamber moist.
mushrooms love humidity, and fresh air.
contaminants love humidity and stale air.

if u want to use the trays, skip the perlite and find a tote that the tray will fit flush into.  put it in, mark the highest point of the tray, and drill holes there mono style, and put some up top.  with that much volume of substrate, it will create its own humidity, and the holes will ensure a minimum amount of fresh air, which u can dial up or down depending on size of holes, number of holes, or tightness of polyfill stuffing.  if ur already doing trays and not cakes, i think u'd be better off skipping the SGFC honestly.  use monos as trays, or as chambers for bulk.

i don't know anything about transkei, i always just thought it was just another cube variety.

pictures are worth a thousand words man.  they will help in every situation, and most likely, get any thread at least 10 more replies than a thread started w/o pictures.  primordia/pin formation is the most sensitive part of the whole fruiting process.  words just won't cut it.


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Re: My shrooms looks like 0,7cm long strings?!?!?!? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21973885 - 07/21/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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blindingleaf said:
if ur already doing trays and not cakes, i think u'd be better off skipping the SGFC honestly.  use monos as trays, or as chambers for bulk.





But then he won't feel validated for having purchased the perlite, and that's what really matters.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: My shrooms looks like 0,7cm long strings?!?!?!? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21976077 - 07/21/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes the heat literally punches you in the face when i open the lid. I wont mist so much from now on, i don't see any oversaturation yet. I have misted the trays always like 8-10 times a day.

Holy faaaak i have never thought of growing with mono, now when i think of it, it's so effortless compared to these trays that i have made almost 5 years now.

Transkei is a basic cube, it's just marketed as 2nd generation mushroom and that it hasn't domesticated. African shrooms.

I know pictures are priceless. I put the pics if i get a camera, everyone uploads pictures if they want good guidance. You just don't need to ask for pics cause everyone almost knows that pics are like i said, priceless. This was so weird thing that i thought that someone could tell me why the shrooms are ropes without pictures but nope. I try if i get the camera before the ropes grow longer like they have already, and there is about 10 rope shrooms.
I think i have to wait till the rope shrooms grows its cycle and then pick them up and dunk that tray. After that im gonna be sure that i have proper settings, at least better than this one.

BTW i have some Cambodian shrooms growing and they look very good. Nice pinset and everything but guess what. The FC is the same as the Transkei! I birthed Cambodians 8 days ago and i already see good pins.
Maybe the thing that fcked up my Transkei and Floridans are the heatwave that was here for a week atleast.
Threre's little you can do to lower the heat, fortunately its really cold here something like 9 months a year.


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Re: My shrooms looks like 0,7cm long strings?!?!?!? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #21976108 - 07/21/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its cheap, it wouldn't matter if i had to toss 80 liters of perlite cause its cheap.
Validated? Why should i think so? I think you have some stick in your rektum, sideways.


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Re: My shrooms looks like 0,7cm long strings?!?!?!? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #21978062 - 07/21/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Machiavelliavore said:
Well, 24L of substrate is more than anyone would typically run in a 50L monotub.  It produces a lot of CO2.  Some genetics may be more sensitive to CO2 buidup than others (ie CO2 aborts, spindly shrooms)

Do you have yields from your previous grows?

Traskei isn't the most domesticated but I don't believe it usually has any issues producing well from multispore.  I've looked into it myself.



Yes i have had pretty good yields and very bad, like everyone else. The range from bulk grows is 7g-350g from the first flush. This is the first time i'm growing Transkei so i was wondering could that be the problem but i highly doubt that it is.


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Re: My shrooms looks like 0,7cm long strings?!?!?!? [Re: ULTIMAH]
    #21978438 - 07/22/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wet or dry grams?


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Re: My shrooms looks like 0,7cm long strings?!?!?!? [Re: nobody83]
    #21978442 - 07/22/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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nobody83 said:
Wet or dry grams?



Dry of course.


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Re: My shrooms looks like 0,7cm long strings?!?!?!? [Re: ULTIMAH]
    #21978485 - 07/22/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Whew i was like...:awwhellno: if you meant wet grams


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